Club Focus Western Bulldogs 2021 - O'Brien, Darcy, Jones, Cleary

[Lore]

Is it done or just a rumour?

It's done. click the link

 

[Prochard123]

What pick can WBD match now for Darcy?

 

[Lore]

What pick can WBD match now for Darcy?

Up to pick 5, but it would wipe all of their other selections to the end of the draft.

 

[Northernsoul74]

What pick can WBD match now for Darcy?

5 I think but still Young and Lipinski trades to go plus we may try and package a few up for some more points or split 23 etc. All depends on list spots.

 

[Prochard123]

Up to pick 5, but it would wipe all of their other selections to the end of the draft.

So they most likely will need extra picks, since pick 2 bid by GWS appears likely?

 

[Lore]

So they most likely will need extra picks, since pick 2 bid by GWS appears likely?

GWS might intend to bid, but their pick may not be pick 2 when they do. If North bid on Daicos then GWS's pick becomes pick 3.

The other thing with Daicos is that if he's selected before Darcy then Collingwood's picks will be used up so the Dogs picks will move up a bit as well. It's only 100 points, but it's the difference between pick 5 and pick 4.

150 points off matching pick 3 at that point as well, which is a pretty small deficit to take into 2022 even if nothing else changes. They'd probably get another pick in for Young/Lipinski too though, as Northernsoul74 mentioned.

 

[Hoges64]

So they most likely will need extra picks, since pick 2 bid by GWS appears likely?

Sadly, yes.

We can only hope that North do the right thing and bid on the best player in the draft, Daicos, and pushes the Darcy bid to 3. Still need more points for that too though.

 

[HairyO]

Sadly, yes.

We can only hope that North do the right thing and bid on the best player in the draft, Daicos, and pushes the Darcy bid to 3. Still need more points for that too though.

Wouldnt they pick Horne first given he is the best player?

GWS would then go Daicos which isnwonderful irony.

Then possibly someone else if Darcy drops off a little.

 

[Prochard123]

Sadly, yes.

We can only hope that North do the right thing and bid on the best player in the draft, Daicos, and pushes the Darcy bid to 3. Still need more points for that too though.

The talk is that North will select JHF at pick 1, GWS will almost certainly bid on Darcy at pick 2, and they may/may not bid on Daicos after missing out on Darcy.

Don't count on getting too many points from Lipinski, the logical thing for us to do is to send him to the PSD to create another list spot for points.

You will need to maximize your return from Young.

 

[RobJD]

Trade radio reporting a swap for Pick 17

The talk is that North will select JHF at pick 1, GWS will almost certainly bid on Darcy at pick 2, and they may/may not bid on Daicos after missing out on Darcy.

Don't count on getting too many points from Lipinski, the logical thing for us to do is to send him to the PSD to create another list spot for points.

You will need to maximize your return from Young.

Agree, reckon the Lipinski trade might go to the wire, the Pies will be watching North pretty closely - especially if Jarrad Brander nominates for the PSD

 

[Doggy]

The talk is that North will select JHF at pick 1, GWS will almost certainly bid on Darcy at pick 2, and they may/may not bid on Daicos after missing out on Darcy.

Don't count on getting too many points from Lipinski, the logical thing for us to do is to send him to the PSD to create another list spot for points.

You will need to maximize your return from Young.

Gee you're really hurt from your Treloar debacle aren't you

 

[Keystone agony]

If Daicos gets bid at 2 and Darcy at 3

Dogs would need 1787

They would have 23, 42 and 43 = 1588 points

199 Points Short

If they get pick 64 from Carlton (L.Young). That will turn into pick 58 = 170 points

29 points short

There is no picks between each other in the first round that has a difference of less than 29 points

 

[Northernsoul74]

Trade radio reporting a swap for Pick 17

Agree, reckon the Lipinski trade might go to the wire, the Pies will be watching North pretty closely - especially if Jarrad Brander nominates for the PSD

North aren’t interested in Lipinski. He’s not a need for them.

 

[Smiley Boy]

north will pick CCJ in the pre season draft for sure

 

[Northernsoul74]

Gee you're really hurt from your Treloar debacle aren't you

He’s the only one bothered about the Lipinski trade “going to the wire”. Literally no one gives a feck.

 

[RobJD]

North aren’t interested in Lipinski. He’s not a need for them.

Agree, if there's a bigger fish available in the PSD and North have already committed, e.g., to CCJ, then the Pies might be more interested in negotiating a better deal with the Dogs for Lipinski so they can take poll position in the PSD

 

[Prochard123]

Gee you're really hurt from your Treloar debacle aren't you

I don't even know if I want Lipinski.

The bloke is average at best and I'm really not sure if he has any upside over J Daicos, N Daicos, R McInnes, F Macrae.

If it was up to me its pick 58 or PSD. And if for some reason we miss out on Lipinski I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

 

[Doggy]

I don't even know if I want Lipinski.

The bloke is average at best and I'm really not sure if he has any upside over J Daicos, N Daicos, R McInnes, F Macrae.

If it was up to me its pick 58 or PSD. And if for some reason we miss out on Lipinski I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

Best 22 lock for Collingwood without a doubt

 

[RobJD]

I don't even know if I want Lipinski.

The bloke is average at best and I'm really not sure if he has any upside over J Daicos, N Daicos, R McInnes, F Macrae.

If it was up to me its pick 58 or PSD. And if for some reason we miss out on Lipinski I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

Agree, the upside on Lipinski is that he's a big bodied mid-fielder who won't get monstered in the centre - seems to be able to stay fit too, which would be nice considering Collingwood's inability to maintain an on-ball brigade. Allows those that you've mentioned to play more outside.

 

[Northernsoul74]

Agree, if there's a bigger fish available in the PSD and North have already committed, e.g., to CCJ, then the Pies might be more interested in negotiating a better deal with the Dogs for Lipinski so they can take poll position in the PSD

He’s just not a need for North. They have rebuilt starting with their midfield and will draft another pick 1 mid this year.

 

[Prochard123]

Best 22 lock for Collingwood without a doubt

Before our other mids are developed okay sure...

But then again Mayne, Madgen, Thomas, Brown brothers, rookies were also best 22 for us.

The bar to be a best 22 player at Collingwood is not high, that alone does not make this a strong trade, Lipinski needs to have long term significance towards our next premiership run.

And I just don't see him offering anything the aforementioned 4 cannot. Especially since J/N Daicos are already that skillful inside mid with the additional attribute of speed.

Lipinski might be okay in the short term, but can you imagine how it would go playing him against a Petracca/Bont/Parish type? If we play Crisp as a defensive mid at least we can break even in that 1 on 1 battle (he destroyed Oliver this year).

 

[Prochard123]

Agree, the upside on Lipinski is that he's a big bodied mid-fielder who won't get monstered in the centre - seems to be able to stay fit too, which would be nice considering Collingwood's inability to maintain an on-ball brigade. Allows those that you've mentioned to play more outside.

What? Are we talking about the same player?

Lipinski may be big bodied but he certainly doesn't play like one lol

The cheap midfielder we need to go for is Will Brodie, too bad our salary cap is too !@#$ed for that.

 

[Northernsoul74]

Agree, the upside on Lipinski is that he's a big bodied mid-fielder who won't get monstered in the centre - seems to be able to stay fit too, which would be nice considering Collingwood's inability to maintain an on-ball brigade. Allows those that you've mentioned to play more outside.

Have you seen him play? Clearly you haven’t.

 

[RobJD]

He’s just not a need for North. They have rebuilt starting with their midfield and will draft another pick 1 mid this year.

I get it, North won't take him regardless. Someone else might at the PSD, so if the Pies have the first live pick in the PSD, they may be prepared to get Lipinski via a trade to keep their poll position at the PSD - otherwise, it's Pick 58 or find the extra points you need elsewhere.

 

[Prochard123]

We need to get Lipinski as far away from centre bounces as much possible. HB/wing for him to exploit his kicking skills.

But then again his pace is also a weakness, I just don't know if he has enough weapons to be an above average AFL player.

Honestly I don't even think he can play HB, probably need to play wing.

On a wing I think he can make it.

Anywhere else he will be an incomplete player.