Western Region FL - Division One - Part 3

[Zinc]

I understand that when Pt Cook joined the WRFL they agreed to enter a senior team in the WRFL when the juniors came through. They have now reneged on that agreement and the WRFL has no option other than to kick them out. I also understand that Spotswood were encouraged by the WRFL to move the motion.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

 

[LavertonMagpie]

Or is it the lack of juniors speaks volumes of the clubs. Lavo only having one junior side, I wouldn't let my kids play there, or glen ordinary, or any of the other sub standard clubs.

If I could take the time and opportunity to express that whilst it is easy to pass judgement and make comments from afar, The Laverton Magpies Football Club is and has been taking massive steps to improve its culture and its perception and image. Whilst the club in the past may have had a reputation of being this or that, I can assure you that it is well on the way to changing that image and perception (which I and we are well aware will take time).

Whilst we may only fielded an under 18 side in 2010 on the junior side of the club, we had over 100 kids involved with our Auskick program and are extremely hopeful of fielding an under 9 and/or an under 10 side in 2011 and are actively working towards under 12-16 sides hopefully also, if not then definitely in 2012... These are all positive steps and much needed for our club to grow and be sustainable for the future.

Our senior side in 2010 was made up of 15 players each week aged 17-22, so we are a young club that will promote youth into its senior ranks and success will come - sooner rather than later!

The club has just elected a new committee for 2011 and they have made the commitment to significantly improve the attractiveness of the club to players, members, supporters and partners (including sponsors) and to make the LMFC a brand that the league, council, businesses and partners want to be associated with. Significantly improving the culture of the club is the first goal of the new committee.

Over the past 2 seasons there have been many positive changes take place at our club. The new motto and slogan is "The Resurgence of The Magpies" and as part of our strategic 5 year plan and in particular our 2011 Mission statement we are to soon implement (with the consultation of the players) a new code of conduct that will include the introduction of the culture of respect and zero tolerance for anti-social behaviour.

Monita Broughton is the first female Vice President of the club and will lead the Laverton Ladies Club and other initiatives to make LMFC even more "family friendly".

One of our goals is to achieve a top 10 rating in the WRFL "Club of the Year" in 2011 and to win the award over the course of the next 5 years. The LMFC achieved a #30 rating in it's first year in 2009 and finished #10 in the league in 2010.

So we are well aware of the task that lies ahead but have a closer look before throwing stones or casting dispersions as we are a club that finally are taking steps in the right direction and for those looking to join a club be that as a player, supporter, volunteer or other, we are on the up.

Our numbers, attitudes, enthusiasm and not to mention new recruits (with more to come) and returning players are proving this and I am sure that by round 1 you will see a vastly new and improved team, club and culture and expect big things from us, because as senior coach I do and will not stop until we achieve our full potential.

On another note, as a father, I would have no hesitation sending my kids down to play at Laverton and with the birth of my next baby only weeks away (hope its a boy!!) and someone who resides close to the club, like anything do your homework and research a club before deciding, not just take someone's word for it....

Go Lavo!

 

[trucka]

I understand that when Pt Cook joined the WRFL they agreed to enter a senior team in the WRFL when the juniors came through. They have now reneged on that agreement and the WRFL has no option other than to kick them out. I also understand that Spotswood were encouraged by the WRFL to move the motion.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

I am only going to correct you on one fact, the alleged agreement that Pt Cook would enter a Senior side in WRFL. This is purely heresay, no one can confirm or deny, as from my understanding, their is no proof.

When and where Seniors played would have been the furthest thing from the minds of those fathers when they established the club, they simply wanted to set up a club, in a growth area for their kids to play.They weren't expecting to cop all this sh1t 7 years later.

On the other fact, no correction required!

 

[RAYZOR18]

Why do you and your mates from Spotty always pump this bloke up to be a tough guy, because he sticks his chest out and stands over young kids on a footy ground. I saw him get pinned by the smallest bloke on the ground one day and I think I heard some of your own having a chuckle to them self's.

Fact is the game has passed him by and unfortunately he showed that on the biggest stage.

When you guys stop talking about me thats when ill start to worry about things, skipper of 2 flags robbed of one lol and **** i play at the best footy club in Australia, think we would have won the world cup in 2022 if they had included the S.F.C in the video clip, as long as im picked to play and do a job ill keep on turning up at 2pm There are many pieces to a puzzle and im one of those pieces simple as that!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Im never going away, as long as you guys keep getting into me on and off the field im happy cos it means you not worried about what my team mates are doing and most of the time they are running rings around you guys!!!! So keep it coming please.......

But anyone who wants to catch up face to face have a beer and have a good chat send me a private message with your number, ill even come to your pub!!!!

 

[BEEG]

When you guys stop talking about me thats when ill start to worry about things, skipper of 2 flags robbed of one lol and **** i play at the best footy club in Australia, think we would have won the world cup in 2022 if they had included the S.F.C in the video clip, as long as im picked to play and do a job ill keep on turning up at 2pm There are many pieces to a puzzle and im one of those pieces simple as that!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Im never going away, as long as you guys keep getting into me on and off the field im happy cos it means you not worried about what my team mates are doing and most of the time they are running rings around you guys!!!! So keep it coming please.......

But anyone who wants to catch up face to face have a beer and have a good chat send me a private message with your number, ill even come to your pub!!!!

Best Football club in Australia is a bit of a stretch

 

[RAYZOR18]

Best Football club in Australia is a bit of a stretch

Come on mate, we are by a mile..... im very one eyed im sure ill get the reaction im looking for i cant help myself i love to stir the pot!!!!!!!

 

[BEEG]

Come on mate, we are by a mile..... im very one eyed im sure ill get the reaction im looking for i cant help myself i love to stir the pot!!!!!!!

I can see by all the post directed at you that your doing a pretty good job

Worth its entertainment

 

[logitech]

there are some genuinely half-whitted morons in this forum and i shouldnt have to explain this but for those of you with a few less brain cells i will;

This is a WRFL forum and in the past 4 years Ray Jenson has captained the side which has had just about the most successfull era in WRFL HISTORY. Thus you have no credability in potting him. You think he had one bad game in last years grand final and that defines his career? He carried alot of injuries last year from what i've heard and anyway, most of the blokes in that side had a stinker that day!. Have a good hard think about what you write before you post it!

 

[obe1]

When you guys stop talking about me thats when ill start to worry about things, skipper of 2 flags robbed of one lol and **** i play at the best footy club in Australia, think we would have won the world cup in 2022 if they had included the S.F.C in the video clip, as long as im picked to play and do a job ill keep on turning up at 2pm There are many pieces to a puzzle and im one of those pieces simple as that!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Im never going away, as long as you guys keep getting into me on and off the field im happy cos it means you not worried about what my team mates are doing and most of the time they are running rings around you guys!!!! So keep it coming please.......

But anyone who wants to catch up face to face have a beer and have a good chat send me a private message with your number, ill even come to your pub!!!!

Well said, whether the posters love you or hate you , your record speaks for itself, further more you put yourself "out there" and don't shun any comments be them for or against you or your club.

 

[STRONGBOW]

When you guys stop talking about me thats when ill start to worry about things, skipper of 2 flags robbed of one lol and **** i play at the best footy club in Australia, think we would have won the world cup in 2022 if they had included the S.F.C in the video clip, as long as im picked to play and do a job ill keep on turning up at 2pm There are many pieces to a puzzle and im one of those pieces simple as that!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Im never going away, as long as you guys keep getting into me on and off the field im happy cos it means you not worried about what my team mates are doing and most of the time they are running rings around you guys!!!! So keep it coming please.......

But anyone who wants to catch up face to face have a beer and have a good chat send me a private message with your number, ill even come to your pub!!!!

Thats why we love ya Ray

 

[acr2751]

I am only going to correct you on one fact, the alleged agreement that Pt Cook would enter a Senior side in WRFL. This is purely heresay, no one can confirm or deny, as from my understanding, their is no proof.

When and where Seniors played would have been the furthest thing from the minds of those fathers when they established the club, they simply wanted to set up a club, in a growth area for their kids to play.They weren't expecting to cop all this sh1t 7 years later.

On the other fact, no correction required!

i suppose i should correct you
i know a lot of people that was in that room the night the pcfc was voted into the league(including my self) and i can tell you all those people remember the agreement that this club would play seniors in the wrfl.
there inclusion into the biggest growth area of the wrfl was seen by the clubs at the time as crucial to the sustainability of the wrfl.
if that agreement has changed and the pcfc has changed there minds then the clubs are within there rights to also change there minds if they see fit.
yes i dont think the clubs were expecting this sh1t 7 years later either

 

[Dogs r talking]

i suppose i should correct you
i know a lot of people that was in that room the night the pcfc was voted into the league(including my self) and i can tell you all those people remember the agreement that this club would play seniors in the wrfl.
there inclusion into the biggest growth area of the wrfl was seen by the clubs at the time as crucial to the sustainability of the wrfl.
if that agreement has changed and the pcfc has changed there minds then the clubs are within there rights to also change there minds if they see fit.
yes i dont think the clubs were expecting this sh1t 7 years later either

What a load of crap. I know many independant people at the 2003 AGM and they cannot recall any such undertaking. From my conversations with guys from the club they certainly deny making any such agreement. Why wouldn't the league put it in the terms of their membership agreement when they entered if it was such an important undertaking at that time. The 2003 minutes make no mention of any such undertaking and no one has provided any other documentary proof. At the end of the day a club should be able to choose what competition it feels best fits with their club and for Point Cook that was the VAFA.
Spotswood have been pressured by the WRFL to put forward the motion and that club should be embarrassed that they are doing this and not putting pressure on the WRFL to clean up their act and make the league more desirable for clubs.

 

[Zinc]

I have been informed that the WRFL have a signed agreement re Pt Cook committing to a senior side in the WRFL when the juniors come through.

 

[trucka]

I have been informed that the WRFL have a signed agreement re Pt Cook committing to a senior side in the WRFL when the juniors come through.

If that was true, they would have produced this 12 months ago and everyone would not have to go through all this crap.

 

[PhiloBeddoe]

Why do you and your mates from Spotty always pump this bloke up to be a tough guy, because he sticks his chest out and stands over young kids on a footy ground. I saw him get pinned by the smallest bloke on the ground one day and I think I heard some of your own having a chuckle to them self's.

Fact is the game has passed him by and unfortunately he showed that on the biggest stage.

Fact also is that for as many people who call him weak in here, there would be a poor percentage of them willing to take a chance and back it up by telling him in person. By the way, in person doesn't mean yelling abuse over the fence. Tough guy or not, I'm questioning the balls of the poster, not pumping up Ray's tires.
Another fact, Brereton got his pants pulled down by Rhys Jones in the 87 GF. Only a fool would have suggested that the game had passed him by. Pretty sure many others had been well beaten on the big stage but came back to play good footy. I'm speaking in relative terms here, not suggesting Ray is of the same calibre. A fit Jensen is a senior footballer...simple as that. You blokes need to stop hoping that it's over for Jensen, quit the Nostradamus predictions of doom and just wait and see what happens.

 

[STRONGBOW]

Fact also is that for as many people who call him weak in here, there would be a poor percentage of them willing to take a chance and back it up by telling him in person. By the way, in person doesn't mean yelling abuse over the fence. Tough guy or not, I'm questioning the balls of the poster, not pumping up Ray's tires.
Another fact, Brereton got his pants pulled down by Rhys Jones in the 87 GF. Only a fool would have suggested that the game had passed him by. Pretty sure many others had been well beaten on the big stage but came back to play good footy. I'm speaking in relative terms here, not suggesting Ray is of the same calibre. A fit Jensen is a senior footballer...simple as that. You blokes need to stop hoping that it's over for Jensen, quit the Nostradamus predictions of doom and just wait and see what happens.

Thats why we love you Filo, you have a way with words

 

[tige19]

Thats why we love you Filo, you have a way with words

Strongbow I've found the perfect word to describe you.

sycophant:


Definition: One who flatters another excessively.

Synonyms: bootlicker, brownnoser, fawner, flatterer, flunky, hanger on, lackey, parasite, stooge, toady, yes-man

 

[acr2751]

What a load of crap. I know many independant people at the 2003 AGM and they cannot recall any such undertaking. From my conversations with guys from the club they certainly deny making any such agreement. Why wouldn't the league put it in the terms of their membership agreement when they entered if it was such an important undertaking at that time. The 2003 minutes make no mention of any such undertaking and no one has provided any other documentary proof. At the end of the day a club should be able to choose what competition it feels best fits with their club and for Point Cook that was the VAFA.
Spotswood have been pressured by the WRFL to put forward the motion and that club should be embarrassed that they are doing this and not putting pressure on the WRFL to clean up their act and make the league more desirable for clubs.

the spin that you/pcfc are putting on it is what is crap
there is a signed agreement, that agreement said that they would not enter into any agreement with another football league or body WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF THE COMMITEE OF MANAGEMENT OF THE WRFL (which is the member clubs.)

i think if you spoke to the pres of spotty the opposite is true, the pressure has been to withdraw.

 

[PhiloBeddoe]

Strongbow I've found the perfect word to describe you.

sycophant:


Definition: One who flatters another excessively.

Synonyms: bootlicker, brownnoser, fawner, flatterer, flunky, hanger on, lackey, parasite, stooge, toady, yes-man

Tige19 and I've found the perfect word to describe your post

Erroneous

Definition: wrong, incorrect.

Synonyms: amiss, askew, defective, fallacious (not the describing a person who could suck a golf ball through a garden hose), invalid, misguided, mistaken, unfounded...and the list goes on.

Strongbow has nothing to gain by brown nosing me, so you're way off. In fact, we hate each other.

 

[tige19]

Tige19 and I've found the perfect word to describe your post

Erroneous

Definition: wrong, incorrect.

Synonyms: amiss, askew, defective, fallacious (not the describing a person who could suck a golf ball through a garden hose), invalid, misguided, mistaken, unfounded...and the list goes on.

Strongbow has nothing to gain by brown nosing me, so you're way off. In fact, we hate each other.

We are looking at different dictionaries! I'll cop that though

 

[footymad81]

Time to set everyone straight with some facts...

In 2003 the Point Cook FC applied to enter the WRFL, on this same night 2 other clubs applied to enter the WRFL. Old Westbourne and W/bee Centrals wanted just their juniors entered as their seniors were already in other competitions. Questions to these 2 clubs were asked if they would consider putting their Seniors into the WRFL and their answer was no. There were many clubs that voted against these 2 clubs for allowed entry into the WRFL, but we live in a democratic society and the majority voted for these two clubs to enter the WRFL.
Point cook were asked a similar question, "once the juniors got older and higher under age divisions were submitted, would PCFC put Seniors into the WRFL?" Their answer was "YES!"

Regardless if this was documented or not, the clubs present on that night knows what was stated, even the President of the WRFL at that time would concur to this.
PCFC stated at a meeting in 2009, that their committee had changed since 03 and with that they beleived that the ammos were the way to go for their seniors and not the WRFL, at that time they agreed that the question back in 2003 had been put to their club about seniors playing in the WRFL.
Mid way through this year at a WRFL Meeting, a comment was made by PCFC in regards to this whole issue that they were going to stay in the ammos and if they needed to fight this issue to "Bring It On" Most clubs present on that night thought this comment was very arrogant.
At the conclusion of that meeting quite a few clubs agreed that something had to be done about getting PCFC seniors into the WRFL. It was the Clubs that voted on their inclusion and it is the clubs that have to raise any motions to be put to the WRFL Meetings.

After consultation with many people from other clubs a motion was put together for the AGM. The IHC heard a case against PCFC for their breech of the Constitution in that they entered into an agreement with another football league without the consent of the WRFL Clubs. Their determination was of a fine and now PCFC have appealed.
Due to the appeal having not been heard prior to the AGM, the motion was then deferred to the next Meeting, IF REQUIRED. Last week at the AGM, many clubs thought that the motion should still be moved, but in the best interests of all, including the WRFL Management not wanting the motion being put, it was deferred.

Myself personally has no gripes with the PCFC, I even had my own children play there recently. The whole issue is in regards to the beterment of the WRFL, to grow and prosper we need more Senior Clubs, PCFC were to be the next Senior Club but they decided to go against there agreement to enter a senior team in the WRFL, whether an agreement is written or not, the fact still remains that the WRFL Clubs in 2003 voted on accepting the PCFC into the WRFL with the knowledge that one day they would have a senior side playing in the WRFL and not another league where they took steps against the consitution of the WRFL. If PCFC are allowed to get away with this, it opens the door for other clubs to do similar as it would set a nasty precedent.

The actual motion itself, is not to kick out all the junior teams of the PCFC. It states that the PCFC will have all their teams playing in the WRFL from 2011, failure to do so would mean no registration of any team will be accepted by the WRFL
So the onus is back on to the PCFC, all they have to do is have all their teams playing in the WRFL.

Similarly with Caroline Springs when they wanted to join the WRFL, the same question was put to them about having Seniors and playing in the WRFL, their answer was yes and it is great that they will be playing this year.
A couple of years ago another club wanted to enter junior teams into the WRFL and their answer to Seniors playing in the WRFL was "NO" the clubs at that AGM voted not to accept this club.

To grow the WRFL, we need need more clubs, the western suburbs is the largest growth corridor at the moment, new clubs will need to be developed and after time build to have seniors and soon we will have 3 divisions of seniors.

If the motion does get moved at the next WRFL Meeting, it will be Spotswood moving the motion, but it is up to ALL the clubs to make the determination of the motion, not just one club.


PS Rayzor18, we all love you.

 

[DogBites]

That would be your ‘facts’. Another fact is that the PCFC application was to enter junior teams into the WRFL. No thoughts or discussion of seniors occurred prior to the 2003 meeting you refer to where apparently the question of seniors was asked during the 15 minute question and answer session. No commitment was given or would be able to be given as it had never been discussed by the PCFC group. Would your club give an on the spot commitment for the future without taking it back for discussion at committee level first, how many clubs would? As you’ve got such a good memory, maybe you could list all the other questions, answers, and conditions that came out of that 15 minutes of questioning.

Maybe responsibility should be taken for the poor application process at that time. Perhaps if a list of expectations were made available to all applying clubs, to allow them to be discussed prior to the meeting. Perhaps a formalised list of conditions of entry would help rather than relying on recollections of conversations. No, easier just to blame the new club.

Pity the same effort that is being put into finding ways to punish PCFC is not put into improving the senior competition. Love the double-dipping, we’ll try to punish PCFC through the ‘Independent’ Hearing Committee and through a separate motion to force them back or out. Basically Spotswood seem to be saying “We’ll accept the decision of the IHC if we agree with it, if not, we’ll continue with the motion we deferred”.

Maybe addressing the unevenness of the competition would make it more attractive for new clubs. Unfortunately, it would appear new clubs are still more likely to replace a 2nd division club unable to continue, than to build towards a 3rd division.

 

[1969]

How can any entity seven years earlier speak for the actions and/or plans of future commitees?.How can any organization with a supposed shred of common sense even be arguing this point?

 

[acr2751]

How can any entity seven years earlier speak for the actions and/or plans of future commitees?.How can any organization with a supposed shred of common sense even be arguing this point?

why not? if the pcfc thought the wrfl was the best place to play football 7 years ago what has changed?.
they made a commitment to support our league when they entered and they should honour that.
any good organization with any common sense should fight this to the death becouse it is the best thing for the wrfl
the wrfl needs to ensure that there is at least 1 and proberly 2 teams playing both seniors and juniors in that area asap.
all the clubs would also be aware that by not having pcfc playing seniors with the wrfl costs them money.
by your way of thinking if hoppers decided to take there seniors to gdfl and leave their juniors here then thats ok.

 

[acr2751]

That would be your ‘facts’. Another fact is that the PCFC application was to enter junior teams into the WRFL. No thoughts or discussion of seniors occurred prior to the 2003 meeting you refer to where apparently the question of seniors was asked during the 15 minute question and answer session. No commitment was given or would be able to be given as it had never been discussed by the PCFC group. Would your club give an on the spot commitment for the future without taking it back for discussion at committee level first, how many clubs would? As you’ve got such a good memory, maybe you could list all the other questions, answers, and conditions that came out of that 15 minutes of questioning.

Maybe responsibility should be taken for the poor application process at that time. Perhaps if a list of expectations were made available to all applying clubs, to allow them to be discussed prior to the meeting. Perhaps a formalised list of conditions of entry would help rather than relying on recollections of conversations. No, easier just to blame the new club.

Pity the same effort that is being put into finding ways to punish PCFC is not put into improving the senior competition. Love the double-dipping, we’ll try to punish PCFC through the ‘Independent’ Hearing Committee and through a separate motion to force them back or out. Basically Spotswood seem to be saying “We’ll accept the decision of the IHC if we agree with it, if not, we’ll continue with the motion we deferred”.

Maybe addressing the unevenness of the competition would make it more attractive for new clubs. Unfortunately, it would appear new clubs are still more likely to replace a 2nd division club unable to continue, than to build towards a 3rd division.

there is
it called the WRFL constitution
which your club signed and a current commitee person at that