What have you learnt?

[IAmAJedi]

5. Hurley is a backman, doubt in my mind.

Missing a 'no' somewhere?
eg. Hurley is no a backman, doubt in my mind

There is no god.

Ryder is God.

 

[Burzum]

Ryder is God.

There is no god, but there is Ryder.

mind=blown

 

[The Casey Cat]

1. You need to play Houli.
2. Need to play Reimers as a forward.
3. Knights needs to take a deap breath, a step back and then go through the current list and arrive on some sort of vision of a best 22-25 in a few years. I think that means cutting guys like Dyson, Slattery, McVeigh and perhaps others and playing kids. And stick with that side for a week or two depending on injury. May hurt but can't be any worse than the selection merry go round at the moment that seems to have many too scared to attack.

 

[HurleyLegend]

1 we wasted a 3 year contract on williams
2 neagle should play in the square for the rest of the year
3 all the people saying trade winderlich and a pick for boak need to re think
4 knights should not be sacked
5 hocking is a gun and should be in the guts
6 stanton i would trade for the right pick/player
7 we need hille back asap
8 hurley is a defender
9 mcveigh/welsh have a lot to do to deserve to stay on
10 jobe needs help as a leader
11 make a decision on prismal/dempsy/howlett/atkinson/houli/myers and stick with it
12 dodoro has been at the club 20 years, 10 as boss of recruitment i hope like f*ck that he pisses off with sheeds to gws
13 we need to get some c*nt into a lot of our players who need to find a heart(soloman,wallis,m.johnson,barnard) just to name a few none of them would have put up with this shit
ffs
someone fly the flag

wow I think I agree with everything!

 

[Red Black and Blue]

By all means you can send a team out on the ground and not give any instruction, that's if you got 22 james hirds playing in your side.. but players need instruction, a plan.. Cause some players are just clueless, if they don't have a gameplan to follow, you'll see half a team running around like headless chooks.

Our team just has the 1 gameplan we go with every week.. It doesn't occur to knighta that it just doesn't work..

Didn't say no instruction, just play basic effective football. Put your head over the ball, run hard both ways, support your team mates, kick to advantage. That is Geelong's master gameplan, just with an unnecessary emphasis on finding the best option.

 

[The_Young_Gun]

Didn't say any no instruction, just play basic effective football. Put your head over the ball, run hard both ways, support your team mates, kick to advantage. That is Geelong's master gameplan, just with an unnecessary emphasis on finding the best option.

I don't think we're on the same page.. When I talk about gameplan, I mean specific tactics that are taken into a footy match (eg. set plays, zones, possession footy).. I emphasised that we come in with the same gameplan every week, and when things go wrong, our coaches do NOTHING.. We are way too predictable and we get run over.. coaching staff just go "Well it didnt work this week, maybe it will next week"..

Our coaches lack gameday focus, simple tactics that will at least keep our side in contention of winning the game.

As for Geelong.. I totally disagree.. Geelong play thorough tactical footy which is only pulled off because of:

1. Excellent skills. and
2. Having Smart Footballers.

Essendon play the same brand of footy.. but we're no where near from pulling it off like they do..

 

[Red Black and Blue]

I understand what you're saying, I just think game plan's are totally irrelevant to being a good side. We're no where near consistently pulling off the basic fundamentals of football, do that and we instantly become a great side.

 

[Nasty Penguin]

Watching both games over the weekend (Bendigo and Essendon) I'm even more concerned than I was previously.

1. Knights isn't settling the players in positions or playing them out of position. Dempsey should be on a wing, Myers in the middle, Hurley ??? should be a backman imo.

2. Atkinson should be in the seniors was a class above the rest in the VFL.

3. Prismall's delivery into the forward line is shithouse constantly coughing it up and that's at vfl level.

4. There's no hardness about the bombers anymore. Where's the next wallis, wellman, soloman, hardwick or barnard going to come from???

5. Mark Williams was the worst possible pickup for the club. Better off playing Daniher that williams.

6. Depth is really lacking. Fletch won't be around forever so creating a backline to rely on him is unhealthy for the club.

7. Gumby, Zaka and Melksham will all be stars they need as much gametime as possible. Melksham shouldn't be getting dropped every second week either should howlett or colyer give them gametime.

8. Plenty of delisting/trading to be done over the off season. Dyson, Houli, Lonergan, Jetta, Stanton, H Slattery, Welsh, McVeigh, Prismall. All up for grabs for mine.

9. Ryder to be a permanant forward. A Hille/Belly combo in the ruck will work and Ryder has talent to burn up forward adding that experience that is clearly lacking up there.

10. Reshuffle the assistant coaches. It's just same old same old in all areas.

 

[Bombs Away]

1 Knights cant coach
2 Hurley is a Fullback
3 Neagle can play the game and should stay at FF
4 We miss Hille immensely
5 Lonergan is one speed and not that good - needs to go
6 Dyson is just like Lonergan
7 Stanton is the turnover king
8 Watson should not play at FF - he is a mid knights
9 Whoever gives the best on for bendigo is a fool, houli should not have been there this week
10 Our board has a bit to answer to in relation to Hardwick and Bailey
11 We cant play outdoors
12 Zaharakis will be a star
13 Reimers and a few others are definitely playing under 100%
14 We lose more games at the selection table than anyone else
15 Knights wont listen to anyone as he is a know it all
16 Knights has definitely lost the players - apart from 5 mins at the start of the 3rd quarter we played with no heart or intensity
17 Umpires have been crucifying us all year, cost us against port, we need to pay $20k to get it right
18 That we have lost to all sides below us this year (or at least will)
19 We are very un-essendon like at the moment
20 That Davey is not that fast, he just takes lots of little steps
21 That we have gone backwards, melbourne and richmond have gone forwards
22 That we play a marking game when we have runners there then the next week try to play a running game with tall timber
23 Gumbleton has been worth the wait
24 Melksham will be a gun, as will Collyer (not as good as Jake tho)
25 That we handball way too much, when we kick the ball we look better
26 That Atkinson is ready made to replace the run, carry and kicking of lovett (if he ever gets a game and is not in the back pocket - wing or more forward please)

 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

- Knights and his method of teaching has sapped the majority of the list of their confidence. A lot of players look like they are trying to do the right thing from fear of what will happen if they don't rather than being encouraged to make mistakes from taking worthwhile risks.

- Coaches messages are either mixed or too complex, most players seemed to be second guessing what they should do. At the start of the 3rd quarter the players seemed to play with a clear direction and freedom they hadn't in the first half. My guess is there was one simple message given and the players only had to focus on that one thing and allow their natural talent to do the rest.

- Too many players do not work hard enough when things get tough.

- I've been a little hard on Lonergan. Jury is still out but at least he shows heart.

- Neagle should have been in the team most the year.

- Despite the loss, the team still looks better with Dempsey, Neagle and Howlett in it.

- Myers should be playing and Dempsey should be in the middle or forward.

- Colyer really needs a **** load of skill development.

- Ryder really needs a decent dose of arrogance to let him make use of his ability. Maybe they need to do the opposite of what Richmond do with Riewoldt? Blow wind up his butt and get him to believe he is the best.

- We miss Hille, but Bellchambers is coming along nicely. Sure he made mistakes, but the development is encouraging.

 

[Deeksy]

Since 2002, our stars have been covering for a midfield that has been going backwards. I'm talking about Hird, Lloyd, Lucas and Fletcher.

We're now being exposed as the worst midfield in the competition (at least vying for that title), and today's game relies on the midfield.

 

[Dkid]

Since 2002, our stars have been covering for a midfield that has been going backwards. I'm talking about Hird, Lloyd, Lucas and Fletcher.

We're now being exposed as the worst midfield in the competition (at least vying for that title), and today's game relies on the midfield.

Vying with who? I thought that was the only thing we'd win this year

 

[Deeksy]

Vying with who? I thought that was the only thing we'd win this year

Fair question, I did say "at least" to be fair. I think that WCE may well take out the award, but they do have a few excuses, namely injuries, something we can't in all honesty claim this year in our midfield.

 

[Slappery]

Was about the whole year in general.

Hank is a good example of your conservative, old fashioned footballer.. That's probably the only reason why supporters like him.. People just have to admit that he doesn't fit into modern day footy.

Sorry for the cheap shot on slatts, but it can't be left unsaid.

Conservative, old fashioned, follows team instructions and team disciplines, has some c*&t and mongrel about him, plays with heart, sticks up for his team mates, puts his body on the line every week (which people are asking for)......but should be de-listed.

 

[Dkid]

Fair question, I did say "at least" to be fair. I think that WCE may well take out the award, but they do have a few excuses, namely injuries, something we can't in all honesty claim this year in our midfield.

Kudos to west coasts injuries. As much as i love Watson (Essendons midfield) < Kerr/Priddis

 

[Bombs Away]

Conservative, old fashioned, follows team instructions and team disciplines, has some c*&t and mongrel about him, plays with heart, sticks up for his team mates, puts his body on the line every week (which people are asking for)......but should be de-listed.

This in not a topic about slattery - if it was we could also use words such as poor disposal, slow, not up to anything but a back pocket at best, always kicks or handballs sidewards or backwards, if we have a run and carry game plan people like him shut it down, brings no skills to the table at all - obviously you are a fan but you should be looking at the cousin - he seems ok

Slattery is disliked because he is so loved by knights - like dyson he is raced back into the senior side when others have to earn their spot and both deliver the big 0. Trade him for a cheeseburger and we have done fantastic, he wouldnt get a game in any other side

 

[Slappery]

This in not a topic about slattery - if it was we could also use words such as poor disposal, slow, not up to anything but a back pocket at best, always kicks or handballs sidewards or backwards, if we have a run and carry game plan people like him shut it down, brings no skills to the table at all - obviously you are a fan but you should be looking at the cousin - he seems ok

Slattery is disliked because he is so loved by knights - like dyson he is raced back into the senior side when others have to earn their spot and both deliver the big 0. Trade him for a cheeseburger and we have done fantastic, he wouldnt get a game in any other side

I know it's not about Slattery, just replying to The_Young_Gun, who brought him into this topic for no reason. People were asking for heart, soul, hard work, guts, mongrel amoungst other things. I am fan..yes...maybe i need to use the icons better...

 

[The_Young_Gun]

Conservative, old fashioned, follows team instructions and team disciplines, has some c*&t and mongrel about him, plays with heart, sticks up for his team mates, puts his body on the line every week (which people are asking for)......but should be de-listed.

He has the mental qualities of a good footballer.. But has never possessed the skill or athletic ability to compliment that.

I hate seeing footballers get games, when their skills are bellow AFL standard.

its not just slatts I dislike..... Alan Toovey!!!

 

[TheGodDelusion]

What have I learned?

There is no substitute for experience. 3rd youngest team, both in terms of average age and games played (yes I know Fletcher being out drags it down, but hey if he plays, maybe we'd have won a couple we've lost). 9 players with 50+ games (only the tigers had less) - I defy anyone to expect consistent performance out of <50 game players.

Coaching? At the start of 2007 Thompson was in the gun. At the start of 2010 Harvey was in the gun. Supporters and the media are fickle. If you don't have the cattle the coach is irrelevant. Pretty much the same if you do.

I'm with windy on this one, our recruiting manager has a lot to answer for. Mind you, the people responsible for the lack of funds put into recruiting up until the last couple of years are also just as culpable.

Lastly, you do not lose 800+ games of experience and without seeing an onfield impact.

 

[bombzrule]

I understand what you're saying, I just think game plan's are totally irrelevant to being a good side. We're no where near consistently pulling off the basic fundamentals of football, do that and we instantly become a great side.

I think you are wrong wrong wrong a game plan is everything, look at all the good sides they have definitive game plans a specific style of play that the whole team adheres to. Even Richmond who have a much worse list then ours realise this and are competitive.

 

[table tennis]

I think you are wrong wrong wrong a game plan is everything, look at all the good sides they have definitive game plans a specific style of play that the whole team adheres to. Even Richmond who have a much worse list then ours realise this and are competitive.

I agree with this.

St.Kilda have a game plan that makes Peake and Farren Ray look like half decent footballers........

 

[Red Black and Blue]

I think you are wrong wrong wrong a game plan is everything, look at all the good sides they have definitive game plans a specific style of play that the whole team adheres to. Even Richmond who have a much worse list then ours realise this and are competitive.

The don't have a worse list, in fact its marginally better with more room for growth and people were complaining all year that the don't have a gameplan, the haven't changed shit, except for doing the basics.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

I agree with this.

St.Kilda have a game plan that makes Peake and Farren Ray look like half decent footballers........

Rubbish, nothing to do with game plan, at their other clubs they were in the top 3-4 midfielders at Stkilda their 7-8, with much more protection and less responsibility and they still don't look that good.

 

[carloss]

14 We lose more games at the selection table than anyone else
15 Knights wont listen to anyone as he is a know it all
16 Knights has definitely lost the players - apart from 5 mins at the start of the 3rd quarter we played with no heart or intensity
19 We are very un-essendon like at the moment
26 That Atkinson is ready made to replace the run, carry and kicking of lovett (if he ever gets a game and is not in the back pocket - wing or more forward please)

100% with you Bombs Away, especially the above