Competition "What If" Wednesdays - Time Traveller Sneezes Edition: Week 3 - Collingwood to the SANFL

[cannavo]

Welcome to ...

Marty McFly has done himself a mischief and has altered the course of Aussie footy in ways you can't imagine!
Get ready to dive into alternate futures!​

What is “What If” Wednesdays?
"What if" Wednesdays was a competition comprised of real-life football team proposals, merger propositions, former teams and a few hypotheticals brought to life by the FJGD community (eg. If the Melbourne-Hawthorn merger went ahead, if University/Fitzroy/Bris Bears stuck around, if Gold Coasts nickname were the Lifesavers etc.) it became this boards longest running competition (8/9/14 – 29/5/19). It has been revived under a meme cultured spin-off! Time traveller sneezes memes are all about butterfly effects on various things caused by a time traveller altering the past by means of a simple sneeze.


What’s new this time around?
This time or these times around, we will be flung into various timelines where our universes former teams, mergers, relocation proposals never existed or had its outcome altered slightly or severely! The list below is comprised of alternate timelines and the butterfly effect caused by our cheeky time traveller. Your job is to envision this outcome! Each comp will run for 1 week and the poll will run for 3 days. The winner picks the next team from the list below or can use their one-time self-imposed idea where they put forward an idea not listed below.

There are some routes you can go by if you're stuck:

• The chosen team has entered their designated competition in the current year (unless specified) along with the current teams OR
• If a year is not specified, you may design kits at any point in time OR
• Accompany your kits with a backstory on how the team came to be to help better envision the outcome

Bare minimum for an entry is:

• A home kit with the front of the jumper showing
  (Back, shorts, socks are optional)
• OPTIONAL Away kit (Home with white shorts is acceptable)
• OPTIONAL 3rd kit
  • Clash kit
  • Heritage kit
  • Other kit
• OPTIONAL Club Logo (Highly Encouraged!)

Let’s see what has happened this time


Our Timeline: Port Adelaide enter the AFL in 1997
Altered Timeline: Collingwood enter the SANFL in 1997​

Basic Rules (Read Carefully):

1. Kits and Logo must be in 1 picture (Makes polls easier to fit everything in)
2. The kits can consist of just a Jumper (Shorts and socks are encouraged to give a full identity effect)
3. Minimum 1 kit and there's no limit to how many kits you can include after that
   eg. Home and Away and/or Clash and/or Heritage and/or Others
   1. Designing a Home and away/clash kit is highly encouraged for that authentic feel and to develop that alternate universe experience
4. Attempt to stay close to the altered timeline
5. Directly copying current football team kits/logos are not allowed
6. Creating a logo is encouraged but you may take inspiration from and/or alter any existing sports logo to drive home your design.
7. Maximum 2 entries per person
8. Any questions at all, please ask!

Specific Category Rules:

League Transfers Rules:

1. The entering team may need to alter their kit and/or logo to not directly copy or closely bear a resemblance to any of the teams in that league
2. Attempt to create a slight variant of the entering club to better visualise that alternative timeline look, whether it’s the addition of a colour or 2, a redesign or a name change

Alternate timeline categories
Bold - Completed with poll results

Mergers

• Melbourne and St Kilda merged - 1995
• Tasmania - Fitzroy Merger
• Sydney - Fitzroy Merger
• Gold Coast Suns seek merger with Sharks to stay alive
• Fitzroy merge with Brisbane to become the Fitzroy Bears
• Tasmania agree to merger with North Melbourne

Relocations

• Saints relocate to NZ
• Essendon relocates to NT to become Alice Springs
• Hawthorn relocates to Canberra
• Fitzroy relocates to Canberra
• Fitzroy move to Brisbane in the 80s (Prior to the Bears existing)
• South Melbourne relocate to Tasmania
• South Melbourne relocate to Canberra
• Fitzroy complete move to North Sydney - 1980
• Footscray relocate to Queensland - 1981

League transfers

• West Coast Eagles enter the SANFL
• Brisbane Bears enter the SANFL
• Fitzroy to the SANFL - 1981
• Footscray to the SANFL - 1981
• Adelaide Uni to the SANFL - 1991 (cannot use only black and white)
• Collingwood to the SANFL - 1997
• East Perth to the VFL - 1980
• Norwood accepted as the 2nd SA team in the AFL
• Launceston apply for the AFL
• Essendon apply for the WAFL

New Teams

• Port Adelaide crows join the AFL - 1991
• Papua New Guinea enter the AFL
• Mount Gambier join the SANFL
• Limestone Coast join the SANFL
• Sydney enter as a separate team (Bloods stay in Vic)
• Darwin join the AFL - 1991
• Public Service Football Club join the VFL
• Gold Coast fold, new North Queensland team take their place - 2030
• NZ enter 90's State of Origin
• Broome become the 2nd WA AFL team
• Gold Coast hijack Brisbane Bears AFL entry - 1986

Colour Corner

• West Coast Eagles VFL kits altered due to Williamstown sharing the same colours
• GWS keep their 'Team GWS' colours
• Port Adelaide retain their Magenta
• Adelaide's hurried concept
  (Adelaide board hastily attain clothes from local sport store and use the 5 colours to design their new AFL team)

Specials

• Hawthorn release Ochre jumper - 2000
• Skittle's sponsor Essendon and release special guernsey
• Heidelberg Warriors align with Collingwood for 1 season - 1996
• Melbourne remain as The Fuchsias
• Melbourne remain as The Invincible Whites
• Collingwood remain as Brittania

 

[cannavo]

The footy world was not ready when Collingwood made the ground-breaking decision to relocate to the SANFL in 1997. This unexpected move sent shockwaves through the football community, as one of Victoria's greatest clubs suddenly graced the fields of Adelaide.

Reasons behind the relocation ranged from financial considerations to accommodate an expanding fanbase that outgrew Victoria Parks capacity to a desire for new challenges. The move brought a unique flavour to the SANFL as it was on the path to become a truly national competition after WA and QLD recently entered a team into the competition.

The SANFL made it clear to Collingwood prior to their relocation that they cannot house 2 clubs with the same moniker. With that in mind, they opted to change their moniker from "Magpies" to "Force". Collingwood's undeniable influence and power on football was one of the reasons they chose a fitting moniker. Their traditional stripes were replaced with thunderbolts with a golden trim to honour the wraith on their old logo and to add something more to differentiate from Port Adelaide. The Magpie moniker lives on at their old home in the national reserves competition

 

[Nickimus Rex]

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The footy world was not ready when Collingwood made the ground-breaking decision to relocate to the SANFL in 1997. This unexpected move sent shockwaves through the football community, as one of Victoria's greatest clubs suddenly graced the fields of Adelaide.

Reasons behind the relocation ranged from financial considerations to accommodate an expanding fanbase that outgrew Victoria Parks capacity to a desire for new challenges. The move brought a unique flavour to the SANFL as it was on the path to become a truly national competition after WA and QLD recently entered a team into the competition.

The SANFL made it clear to Collingwood prior to their relocation that they cannot house 2 clubs with the same moniker. With that in mind, they opted to change their moniker from "Magpies" to "Force". Collingwood's undeniable influence and power on football was one of the reasons they chose a fitting moniker. Their traditional stripes were replaced with thunderbolts with a golden trim to honour the wraith on their old logo and to add something more to differentiate from Port Adelaide. The Magpie moniker lives on at their old home in the national reserves competition

Do you mean wreath? Unless you mean a g-g-ghost??

 

[BigChippa52]

I'm strugling to find a version of the Collingwood logo with out the magpie

 

[chibimatty]

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The footy world was not ready when Collingwood made the ground-breaking decision to relocate to the SANFL in 1997. This unexpected move sent shockwaves through the football community, as one of Victoria's greatest clubs suddenly graced the fields of Adelaide.

Reasons behind the relocation ranged from financial considerations to accommodate an expanding fanbase that outgrew Victoria Parks capacity to a desire for new challenges. The move brought a unique flavour to the SANFL as it was on the path to become a truly national competition after WA and QLD recently entered a team into the competition.

The SANFL made it clear to Collingwood prior to their relocation that they cannot house 2 clubs with the same moniker. With that in mind, they opted to change their moniker from "Magpies" to "Force". Collingwood's undeniable influence and power on football was one of the reasons they chose a fitting moniker. Their traditional stripes were replaced with thunderbolts with a golden trim to honour the wraith on their old logo and to add something more to differentiate from Port Adelaide. The Magpie moniker lives on at their old home in the national reserves competition

"Force" is a great name for team that has no idea what to call itself

 

[BigChippa52]

The Year was 1990, and the Port Adelaide magpies were sneakily making their way into the AFL, the League was desperate for a SA team, SANFL wasn't gonna let that happen, after negotiations between the AFL and SANFL and a Deal was struck where a New Adelaide football club (the crows) along with the Port Adelaide magpies would make their way to the AFL in exchange for the Collingwood FC now rebranded as the woodsmen per the deal with SANFL and with bronze added to their kits, along with Collingwood, Fitzroy also went across with financial aid and incentives, to say the least Collingwood were Furious, they took that out on the fresh meat the SANFL had to offer winning 3 blow out grand finals in a row, but the biggest surprise was Fitzroy becoming a powerhouse winning 5 grand finals in a row, the SANFL and its fans were upset these vic clubs were winning,The league would become more even with the arrival of the WWT eagles and teams luring more players and becoming stronger, both Collingwood and Fitzroy still thrive in the SANFL alongside, WA, Tas, QLD, NSW, NT and the ACT sides competeing in the now ANFL today.

 

[BigChippa52]

sorry didn't notice the year

 

[Swooping_Magpie]

the SANFL did not allow the collingwood football club to use the magpies nickname given that the port adelaide magpies were still in the league, though they did allow them to use the magpie from their preseason jumper on their guernsey despite much controversy. collingwood struggled with a nickname and so temporarily decided on 'the woods', an old nickname of the club. they adopted a logo similar to that of the 70's style sanfl club logos despite the fact that many clubs weren't even using that design by 1997.

 

[Nickimus Rex]

the SANFL did not allow the collingwood football club to use the magpies nickname given that the port adelaide magpies were still in the league, though they did allow them to use the magpie from their preseason jumper on their guernsey despite much controversy. collingwood struggled with a nickname and so temporarily decided on 'the woods', an old nickname of the club. they adopted a logo similar to that of the 70's style sanfl club logos despite the fact that many clubs weren't even using that design by 1997.
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Don't think this would have ever been accepted lol

 

[cannavo]

Do you mean wreath? Unless you mean a g-g-ghost??

Hmm, well yes and no. Wreath because my smol brain can't tell those 2 words apart and Wraith for it can be the ghost of the Magpies haunting over what they've become

"Force" is a great name for team that has no idea what to call itself

#UTFF

sorry didn't notice the year

That's alright, the kits can be from 1997 onwards

the SANFL did not allow the collingwood football club to use the magpies nickname given that the port adelaide magpies were still in the league, though they did allow them to use the magpie from their preseason jumper on their guernsey despite much controversy. collingwood struggled with a nickname and so temporarily decided on 'the woods', an old nickname of the club. they adopted a logo similar to that of the 70's style sanfl club logos despite the fact that many clubs weren't even using that design by 1997.
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Well it kind of fits the slight variant requirement, I'll allow it, looks like a prototype

 

[troybe]

In 1996, President Eddie McGuire accepted an offer from the SANFL to compete in the league from next year. The only stipulation was to change the nickname and add a colour which McGuire ever the innovator did after consulting members. The new Swoopers added Teal to the suite of Black and White, which McGuire said it represented the Yarra River that passed by Victoria Park. Using the Big V design in Teal with a nod to the Black and White Stripes inset in the V.

After 5 years of intense negotiations the Big 3 (VFL, SANFL, WAFL) stalled in talks to form a national competition. What ended up happening was leagues started offering interstate clubs to come and play in their league. Collingwood was one of the first clubs to take up an offer to join the SANFL. In response, Norwood joined the VFL and St Mary’s from NTFL and East Fremantle joined the SANFL to make a 12 team league. The VFL lost Footscray to the QAFL, North Melbourne to WAFL but gained Southport and East Perth. The WAFL lost East Fremantle and East Perth but gained North Melbourne, Launceston and added Rockingham Rams and new Freo-based team Capo D’Orlando Wolves. Now all 3 leagues had 12 teams each in a view to be THE national league.

 

[Haymo_of_thor]

After the VFL's failed Sydney Seagulls expansion in 1982, and its inability to allow struggling clubs like St Kilda, South Melbourne, and Fitzroy to fold, some of the more financially capable clubs began to get agitated. The biggest club in Melbourne seeks to transfer from the VFL to South Australia's SANFL which already had expansion teams in Perth, Brisbane, and Rural SA, and play against sides that are deemed to be more competitive than their Victorian Counterparts. In 1995 the Collingwood board began talks with the SANFL and its clubs. Collingwood was allowed to enter the SANFL in 1996 if it agreed to terms decided by its current teams; if they changed their nickname, due to 36-time premiership side, the Port Adelaide Magpies keeping the name, all clubs but Port Adelaide (who had been blocked from wearing their traditional Wharf Pylons Guernsey, by Collingwood in an unsuccessful VFL bid in 1990) agreed that the vertical stripes were different enough to Port Adelaide's Wharf Pylons. The Collingwood board denied that they would ever wear anything other than the vertical stripes until the club's demise, just eight months later they won 19 straight VFL games and began talks again with the SANFL, this time to enter the league in 1997 as the Collingwood Zebras, the first team to play all home games in Victoria.

 

[SunsphereParker]

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Was genuinely working on a zebra based entry based off a logo I made a while back, only to be pipped to the post on both fronts.

Competition - AFL Jungle League

Here's a concept you can either run with or ignore, I don't have the time to contribute more than the basic concept, which I will now detail: The AFL have decided to harmonise all club nicknames, creating jungle animal identities for all. Your task is to submit new logos and player apparel for...

www.bigfooty.com

Hope it’s not a d*ck move or anything but any chance you can remove the logo from the entry Haymo_of_thor ?

 

[Haymo_of_thor]

Was genuinely working on a zebra based entry based off a logo I made a while back, only to be pipped to the post on both fronts.

Competition - AFL Jungle League

Here's a concept you can either run with or ignore, I don't have the time to contribute more than the basic concept, which I will now detail: The AFL have decided to harmonise all club nicknames, creating jungle animal identities for all. Your task is to submit new logos and player apparel for...

www.bigfooty.com

Hope it’s not a d*ck move or anything but any chance you can remove the logo from the entry Haymo_of_thor ?

Of course, my apologies I had saved the logo on my computer and forgot where I had found it, the logo has been changed.

 

[Marauders5]

Will the Los Angeles team coming in 1987, or a London team coming in 1987 also be added to the list of suggestions

 

[Marauders5]

Also add in What If Modbury Hawks joined the SANFL in 1991?

 

[cannavo]

Will the Los Angeles team coming in 1987, or a London team coming in 1987 also be added to the list of suggestions

Those 2 were done during the original "What If" Wednesdays competition

Poll - "What If" Wednesdays: Week 32 - Melbourne team relocation to Los Angeles

[Time] ago we asked Poll will run for 3 days Winner picks next team from this list and gets their name on the honour roll As for teams with more than 1 nickname next to them, The team will still be used until all nicknames have been done eg. If you choose Gold Coast, it must be followed by...

www.bigfooty.com

Poll - "What If" Wednesdays: Week 36 - Melbourne Team Relocation To London

[Time] ago we asked Poll will run for 3 days Winner picks next team from this list and gets their name on the honour roll As for teams with more than 1 nickname next to them, The team will still be used until all nicknames have been done eg. If you choose Gold Coast, it must be followed by...

www.bigfooty.com

Also add in What If Modbury Hawks joined the SANFL in 1991?

There will be no mid-competition additions to the list. The window took place in late November where I started a list development thread asking users for their ideas and accumulated 24 of them. There is a way to see your Modbury Hawks idea get done though. Whoever takes out a week can either choose a team from the list, or put forward their own idea that isn't listed (a one-time thing per user), I suggest you slide into the DMs of the next comp winner to see if they can put your idea forward

 

[austinnn]

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In 1996, President Eddie McGuire accepted an offer from the SANFL to compete in the league from next year. The only stipulation was to change the nickname and add a colour which McGuire ever the innovator did after consulting members. The new Swoopers added Teal to the suite of Black and White, which McGuire said it represented the Yarra River that passed by Victoria Park. Using the Big V design in Teal with a nod to the Black and White Stripes inset in the V.

After 5 years of intense negotiations the Big 3 (VFL, SANFL, WAFL) stalled in talks to form a national competition. What ended up happening was leagues started offering interstate clubs to come and play in their league. Collingwood was one of the first clubs to take up an offer to join the SANFL. In response, Norwood joined the VFL and St Mary’s from NTFL and East Fremantle joined the SANFL to make a 12 team league. The VFL lost Footscray to the QAFL, North Melbourne to WAFL but gained Southport and East Perth. The WAFL lost East Fremantle and East Perth but gained North Melbourne, Launceston and added Rockingham Rams and new Freo-based team Capo D’Orlando Wolves. Now all 3 leagues had 12 teams each in a view to be THE national league.

Whether or not I think your actual designs are the best, your presentation style always gets my vote for class and bygone beauty.

 

[Mac Ropod]

 

[SunsphereParker]

Collingwood's uprooting sticks to the SANFL required a contractual change of both jumper and moniker. "Zebras" was the standout choice, allowing the club to retain its black and white cultural heritage. It’s originality as a nickname and brand in major professional sport was used early on as a marketing ploy, to reflect the pioneering endeavor of the club’s interstate move. Fresh, bold, innovative. A change in jumper design, as well as an additional tertiary colour, were required by the league as a further protective point of differentiation from the identity of Port Adelaide. The traditional black and white stripes of the VFL were reshaped into splayed arches bending up and into a white yoke and back, said to evoke the front facing snout of a charging zebra. Originally featuring a thick stroke of vibrant 90s aqua, this new tertiary colour was retired from the arches, with Port and the league’s blessing, upon Collingwood's 20th anniversary competing in South Australia, a sign of good will, thanks and faith. The colour lives on through the clash jumper, a vestigial remnant and proud testament to the club's recent history.

 

[austinnn]

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Collingwood's uprooting sticks to the SANFL required a contractual change of both jumper and moniker. "Zebras" was the standout choice, allowing the club to retain its black and white cultural heritage. It’s originality as a nickname and brand in major professional sport was used early on as a marketing ploy, to reflect the pioneering endeavor of the club’s interstate move. Fresh, bold, innovative. A change in jumper design, as well as an additional tertiary colour, were required by the league as a further protective point of differentiation from the identity of Port Adelaide. The traditional black and white stripes of the VFL were reshaped into splayed arches bending up and into a white yoke and back, said to evoke the front facing snout of a charging zebra. Originally featuring a thick stroke of vibrant 90s aqua, this new tertiary colour was retired from the arches, with Port and the league’s blessing, upon Collingwood's 20th anniversary competing in South Australia, a sign of good will, thanks and faith. The colour lives on through the clash jumper, a vestigial remnant and proud testament to the club's recent history.

Sandringham's VFL club should definitely contact you about using the zebra head motif you've used on the front of those jumpers!

I don't know how it would work with their (rubbish) colours but that motif is original dynamic and zebra-like.

 

[El_Scorcho]

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Ugh that design is so cool! Lovely work!