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MEDIA RELEASE FROM THE AUSTRALIAN FOOTBALL LEAGUE
The AFL wishes to advise it will be holding a media conference today, Monday November11, to detail an IMPORTANT announcement.

AFL Football Operations Manager Andrew Demetriou will be in attendance and all media are advised the details are as follows:

12.30pm, Monday November 11
AFL Media Conference Room
Level LB2
Telstra Dome
Please accept my apologies for the short notice, as this has been unavoidable.

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Released by:
Patrick Keane
AFL Media Manager

 

[Joel]

...that Carlton will lose their first two draft picks?

 

[Rohan_]

Originally posted by Joel
...that Carlton will lose their first two draft picks?

Got it one.

 

[BrainOfMorbius]

... not.

They've been charged, not found guilty, let alone penalised. The charges will be heard tomorrow.

 

[Joel]

Blues formally charged with cap breaches
12:20:45 PM Mon 11 November, 2002
Ashley Browne
afl.com.au



The future of Carlton’s prized first two picks at the 24 November National AFL Draft are officially under threat, following an announcement by the AFL on Monday that the Blues have been charged with breaching the AFL’s total player payments regulations.

A statement released by the AFL on Monday said that the Blues have been charged with the breach in accordance with Rule 17, which relates to: “the enforcement of the draft and total player payments”.

The charge has been laid by AFL Investigations Manager, Ken Wood and will be heard by the AFL on Tuesday, 19 November.

According to the league’s statement, the breaches relate to undisclosed football payments to two former players for services in season 2000.


Penalties mooted by the AFL, if the Blues are found guilty, may include the loss of draft selections or the forfeiture of premiership points next season.

Because they finished the season with only three wins, the Blues have the first two picks at the national draft.

The announcement by the AFL of the charges against the Blues comes just 24 hours before an extraordinary general meeting, at which long-serving president John Elliott is being challenged by the Carlton One ticket led by former Carlton chief executive and now Telstra Dome boss, Ian Collins.

 

[Portia]

Well, there we go. That hearing date pretty much settles it...bummer

 

[Joel]

AFL charges Carlton for player payment breaches
12:30:53 PM Mon 11 November, 2002
Australian Football League


The following statement was released today by AFL General Manager, Football Operations, Andrew Demetriou.

¡§In accordance with Rule 17 which relates to the enforcement of the draft and total player payments, the AFL Investigations Manager, Ken Wood, has formally charged the Carlton Football Club with breaching provisions of the total player payments.

¡§The breaches relate to undisclosed football payments to two former players for services in season 2000.

¡§Again in accordance with the rule, the Carlton F.C. has been advised in writing of the charges. We have also set a date for the Carlton F.C. to appear before the AFL Commission to formally respond to the charges.


¡§This hearing will occur on Tuesday, November 19, at 12 noon at AFL House.

¡§The gathering of evidence for the matters relating to the charges formally advised to Carlton F.C. today was completed at the weekend.

¡§In accordance with the rules, Mr Wood, has concluded that there is appropriate evidence to now charge Carlton F.C., ¡§ Mr. Demetriou said.

¡§There are other matters involving past and present Carlton F.C. players which are still the subject of investigation.

Mr. Demetriou said it was important the football community, in particular the supporters of Carlton F.C, understood the process involved which was as follows:


„X Under Rule 17, the Investigations Manager may investigate any matters relating to conduct prejudicial to the draft or conduct in breach of the Total Player Payments provisions.


„X If after conducting an investigation, the Investigator suspects that any person or Club has or may have engaged in conduct prejudicial to the draft or in conduct in breach of the Total Player Payments provisions, the Investigator may lay a charge against the person or the Club.


„X Where a charge is laid, the Investigator shall give notice of the charge to each person or Club charged and the General Manager, Football Operations.


„X The General Manager, Football Operations, shall fix a time and date for a hearing of the charge by the AFL Commission.


Mr. Demetriou said the AFL Commission would today receive a copy of the documentation forwarded to the Carlton F.C. The AFL Commission had not considered the matters raised nor formed any view as to the sustainability of the charges.

¡§We are obviously aware of comments which have already been made about the timing of this investigation,¡¨ Mr. Demetriou said.


¡§Our only concern has been to act fairly towards all of the parties involved in this matter including the Carlton F.C. and each of the Clubs in the AFL competition and to conduct a thorough investigation in accordance with the rules.

¡§It is not appropriate for the AFL to make any further comment at this point,¡¨ Mr. Demetriou said.

 

[Pessimistic]

Shouldn't this void the election ?


Put it this way if John Howard and co were charged with a serious offence (not actually found guilty) on the eve of an election there would be hell to pay.

Not much of an elliot or carlton fan but this has been handled badly.

The unnoficial carlton group campaigned for more democracy at carlton and they are unlikely to get it. Just a swift coup with a new president just as autocratic as the last one.

 

[Rohan_]

Karma is a wonderful thing.

 

[Mr Q]

If Carlton are found guilty, I would have thought it fairer to take just one of the top two picks away rather than both (in addition to barring them from the pre-season draft). They did still have a really ordinary year, andthe priority pick would still be appropriate.

 

[Joel]

Originally posted by Rohan_
Karma is a wonderful thing.

Bwuahahaha!

 

[GOALden Hawk]

mmmm....just a day before the Carlton election some damaging information is announced by the AFL at the very venue that happens to be run by candidate who will benefit from it the most.

Interesting.

Well what's it going to be? The fact they are deciding BEFORE the draft means they could easily take the picks away, but surely they can't do that, Richmond and others will go ballistic.

And did Elliott end up signing that affadaivet saying they didn't breach the cap?

 

[Joel]

Originally posted by GOALden Hawk
mmmm....just a day before the Carlton election some damaging information is announced by the AFL at the very venue that happens to be run by candidate who will benefit from it the most.

Interesting.

Well what's it going to be? The fact they are deciding BEFORE the draft means they could easily take the picks away, but surely they can't do that, Richmond and others will go ballistic.

And did Elliott end up signing that affadaivet saying they didn't breach the cap?

Well that is the chance Richmond took. Their fault!

 

[GOALden Hawk]

Originally posted by Joel


Well that is the chance Richmond took. Their fault!

But it wasn't just Richmond, it was every club in the league. Would West Coast have traded Chick for effectively Pick 8? Would Hawthorn have traded Everitt for Picks 6 & 22?

Even Mick Malthouse said they can't take away the picks because it would be "moving the goalposts"

My tip is a fine, and exclusion from the first 3 rounds of next year's draft or something like that - as unfair as that is. If the AFL hadn't gone on an end of season junket maybe this mess could have been sorted out before the trading period.

 

[Joel]

Originally posted by GOALden Hawk


But it wasn't just Richmond, it was every club in the league. Would West Coast have traded Chick for effectively Pick 8? Would Hawthorn have traded Everitt for Picks 6 & 22?

Even Mick Malthouse said they can't take away the picks because it would be "moving the goalposts"

My tip is a fine, and exclusion from the first 3 rounds of next year's draft or something like that - as unfair as that is. If the AFL hadn't gone on an end of season junket maybe this mess could have been sorted out before the trading period.

Suppose so. I say exlude them from next years draft, the pre season draft and fine them.

 

[TheMase]

Originally posted by GOALden Hawk


But it wasn't just Richmond, it was every club in the league. Would West Coast have traded Chick for effectively Pick 8? Would Hawthorn have traded Everitt for Picks 6 & 22?

Even Mick Malthouse said they can't take away the picks because it would be "moving the goalposts"

My tip is a fine, and exclusion from the first 3 rounds of next year's draft or something like that - as unfair as that is. If the AFL hadn't gone on an end of season junket maybe this mess could have been sorted out before the trading period.

Rumour is going around that the clubs were told to draft in mind that the first 2 picks may be removed...

 

[Joel]

Originally posted by TheMase


Rumour is going around that the clubs were told to draft in mind that the first 2 picks may be removed...

That's what I thought.

 

[Wrecker45]

Originally posted by GOALden Hawk

My tip is a fine, and exclusion from the first 3 rounds of next year's draft or something like that - as unfair as that is. If the AFL hadn't gone on an end of season junket maybe this mess could have been sorted out before the trading period.

Nah the 2 pick's should go to Melbourne and Hawthorn for compensation over the Faremer and McPharlin issues. They both made formal complaints earlier in the year. Seems fair to me!

 

[BrainOfMorbius]

Originally posted by Rohan_
Karma is a wonderful thing.

What karma?

 

[GOALden Hawk]

Originally posted by TheMase


Rumour is going around that the clubs were told to draft in mind that the first 2 picks may be removed...

Pretty ridiculous though - having teams trading on the basis they "may" have a better pick.

If that's true I'm even more dirty on the Everitt trade - 6 & 22!

 

[GOALden Hawk]

Originally posted by Wrecker45


Nah the 2 pick's should go to Melbourne and Hawthorn for compensation over the Faremer and McPharlin issues. They both made formal complaints earlier in the year. Seems fair to me!

HAHA! I like it Wrecker.

 

[The Ewok]

Time to start a campaign to overturn the 1999 Preliminary Final result as the scum obviously were cheating at that time

 

[pivotal]

Originally posted by The Ewok
Time to start a campaign to overturn the 1999 Preliminary Final result as the scum obviously were cheating at that time

And remember Elliott's famous rallying cry a week before that fanous win, 'Essendon CHEATED to win the flag in '93'.

Pot-Kettle-Black.

 

[knuckles]

Will announce that Andrew can no longer buy trousers off the rack. High and Mighty time.

Blues are in the deep.

 

[jacqui9]

I think it is quite amusing how Carlton could either lose their draft picks or forfeit premiership points...pity they couldnt go any lower