What would a Dutton Liberal leadership mean for the Liberals and the country?

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It's almost like some people in power (often the ones with umpteen flags behind them and their hands on their hearts) don't actually want a better Australia for the greatest number of Australians.

….. every country Murdoch has a media presence in, has an unstable political environment.
 
But why are they living beyond thier means?

House prices and rents are the problem
Inequality is the problem.

The entire system is broken when one section of society can afford to buy literally everything and the rest are living pay cheque to pay cheque if they are lucky enough to have stable employment and have not been thrown to the gig economy or similar.

In addition to this the people living pay cheque to pay cheque are expected to carry the majority of the tax burden for the whole country while those who can afford to buy literally everything get tax relief at every step along the way, sometimes paying no tax at all. And then we have the corporations :rolleyes:

Government is 100% captured no matter who it is and the entire system is a joke.
 
Yep unaffordable housing is a massive issue
Yep.

The 'average' rent in Adelaide went up by more than 11% in 2024 - FOUR times the CPI. I assume similar increases for other states.

That's for those who can find a place to rent in the private rental market. Of course, those on low and interrupted 'casual' incomes are not welcomed by private landlords who can pick and choose who to rent to in the tightest housing availability market since Federation.

And the public housing/rental market is broken across Australia. What was once the bread and butter of State Government policy and budgets to attract immigrants and new industry to states after WW2 is now not sexy enough for the new breed of entrepreneurial Conservative AND Labor Premiers - who are too focussed on the short term popularity sugar fix of spending big bucks to get major events to their capital cities.
 
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Yep.

The 'average' rent in Adelaide went up by more than 11% in 2024 - FOUR times the CPI. I assume similar increases for other states.

That's for those who can find a place to rent in the private rental market. Of course, those on low and interrupted 'casual' incomes are not welcomed by private landlords during a housing availability crisis and the public housing/rental market is broken across Australia.
Yep and a lot of social housing won't take people on welfare because they can make more renting to people that earn more

The whole system is stuffed
 
Yep and a lot of social housing won't take people on welfare because they can make more renting to people that earn more

The whole system is stuffed
Anyone remember Albanese's 2022 Jobs and Skills Summit? Anyone? Anyone?

It was a dismal attempt by Albo to copy what Bob Hawke did on coming to power by establishing the National Economic Summit in 1983.

But Albanese had neither the intelligence or the personality to replicate what Hawke did. Whereas Hawke was able to pull together all sides of politics, industry and the unions to deliver a series of unique policy change proposals to fix a broken and ageing industrial and economic system, Albanese used it as a populist political tool to announce previously agreed policies.

If ever there was a policy crisis in desperate need of a national summit to get all parties together (not just political parties) to settle on what the problems are and agreement on the long term goals required to fix it, then I reckon the Housing affordability crisis is it.

But I just don't see that happening under either Dutton or Albanese. That says all you need to know about their failure as political leaders. I hope history judges them accordingly.
 


WMD's that never existed, and which our own security analysts said didn't exist, used as an excuse for an invasion that cost tens of thousands of lives and destroyed the very fabric of a country that has never recovered and is still suffering.

Australian intelligence bugging of a near neighbour recovering from foreign occupation to rip them off of billions of resource revenue- 'no long term damage' to our relations apparently.

The introduction of tax concessions that turned the dream of home ownership for Australians into a ponzi scheme for the rich.

This is just a few lines of the lasting legacy of John Winston Howard undertaken for his interpretation of 'the national interest'. And still the fecker is wheeled out by the tories whenever there's an election to be won.

Makes me sick.

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It's almost like some people in power (often the ones with umpteen flags behind them and their hands on their hearts) don't actually want a better Australia for the greatest number of Australians.
The Liberal Party is now a front for major corporations to steal wealth from Australia and Australians.

It's disgusting.
 
But why are they living beyond thier means?

House prices and rents are the problem

Because most of this ****ing countries population want a BMW in the driveway, and LV on the shoulder and an inner city pad they can't afford. Covid was the great reckoner, most of those crying poor are living pay to pay and have never saved a cent, and if you want to speak about house prices, John Howard is the man to bring up the grievance with.

We've managed to do ok for ourselves during every rate rise and almost paid off our mortgage without any help, it's called sacrifice, something most Australian people wouldn't have a clue about.
 
Because most of this ****ing countries population want a BMW in the driveway, and LV on the shoulder and an inner city pad they can't afford. Covid was the great reckoner, most of those crying poor are living pay to pay and have never saved a cent, and if you want to speak about house prices, John Howard is the man to bring up the grievance with.

We've managed to do ok for ourselves during every rate rise and almost paid off our mortgage without any help, it's called sacrifice, something most Australian people wouldn't have a clue about.
The way I see it, if you're not saving at least 10% of your take-home pay, you're getting yourself into trouble. Of course that gets easier the higher your income is.
 


WMD's that never existed, and which our own security analysts said didn't exist, used as an excuse for an invasion that cost tens of thousands of lives and destroyed the very fabric of a country that has never recovered and is still suffering.

Australian intelligence bugging of a near neighbour recovering from foreign occupation to rip them off of billions of resource revenue- 'no long term damage' to our relations apparently.

The introduction of tax concessions that turned the dream of home ownership for Australians into a ponzi scheme for the rich.

This is just a few lines of the lasting legacy of John Winston Howard undertaken for his interpretation of 'the national interest'. And still the fecker is wheeled out by the tories whenever there's an election to be won.

Makes me sick.

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You forgot Children Overboard - perhaps the most disgusting racist xenophobic lie ever told in Australian politics.
 

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The way I see it, if you're not saving at least 10% of your take-home pay, you're getting yourself into trouble. Of course that gets easier the higher your income is.
The long accepted 28% rule (where no more than 28% of your fortnightly income is spent on rent/mortgage repayment) is probably getting breached a bit at the moment
 
The Liberal Party is now a front for major corporations to steal wealth from Australia and Australians.

It's disgusting.
So is labor, just some of the companies are different
 
I figure Australia needs to learn these parties aren't their friend so a major left wing movement occurs.
The problem is the corporations also own the media so the left wing parties are portrayed as the worst option.

It's one of the reasons globally the far right is rising, they're not incompatible with capitalism
 
I figure Australia needs to learn these parties aren't their friend so a major left wing movement occurs.
Nah.

Just enough educated and reasonable people sitting at the true middle of society who place a high value on honesty, decency and fairness but who are not yet politically active - finally being motivated to take action in the ballot boxes.

The teal vote in the last Federal election shows it isn't a pipe dream. The means to engage and activate their concern about where society is heading is the key.

Climate 200 has shown the blueprint for how it can be done.

Ironically its the former safe Labor electorates in what were once traditional working class electorates which pose the greatest threat to change. Their flip from Labor to far right ideology shaped by anger and resentment about being left behind by globalisation and the mass loss of manufacturing jobs. That resentment aided and abetted by the faux outrage of the Murdoch media.
 
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Nah.

Just enough educated and reasonable people sitting at the true middle of society who place a high value on honesty, decency and fairness but who are not yet politically active - finally being motivated to take action in the ballot boxes.

The teal vote in the last Federal election shows it isn't a pipe dream. The means to engage and activate their concern about where society is heading is the key.

Climate 200 has shown the blueprint for how it can be done.

Ironically its the former safe Labor electorates in what were once traditional working class electorates which pose the greatest threat to change. Their flip from Labor to far right ideology shaped by anger and resentment about being left behind by globalisation and the mass loss of manufacturing jobs. That resentment aided and abetted by the faux outrage of the Murdoch media.
Teals wanting action on climate change but neoliberal economic policy (largely) isn't going to solve the problem of people being left behind and angrily turning to the far right for answers

The teal movement is another billionaire influencing democracy as well btw

It's not a good thing
 
The teal movement is another billionaire influencing democracy as well btw
True but the Greens, Labor, Coalition Parties have budgets that are far greater and imho agendas that are lacking the consistency and clarity to compensate.

Let's not be naive. Money, and lots of it, has always been the capital of political power and even more so in 2025. To those who are seeking political office and those on the sidelines who are seeking to wield the benefits that come from wielding that power.

My point was about that agenda and its clarity.

It's not a good thing

Sure. But it's the reality of how political power is harnessed and exercised. Everywhere.
 
True but the Greens, Labor, Coalition Parties have budgets that are far greater and imho agendas that are lacking the consistency and clarity to compensate.

Let's not be naive. Money, and lots of it, has always been the capital of political power and even more so in 2025. To those who are seeking political office and those on the sidelines who are seeking to wield the benefits that come from wielding that power.

My point was about that agenda and its clarity. And how it is harnessed.
The problem is that the teals are not actually a party with policies but a bunch of single issues independents that got elected on the idea that they were moderates for climate change.

They're largely wealthy individuals themselves in conservative seats that will vote conservatively on anything other than climate change.

They're not beholden to the party machine but there's also no guaranteed unity or national policy to point to.

Single issue politicians have historically sold everyone else out for a sniff of change on their one issue.

They're not going to be any better than the greens but they will keep some votes away from the greens because of climate change.

They aren't part of the two majors at least but their voting patterns so far haven't filled me with much confidence that they'll be anything other than pro establishment
 
Single issue politicians have historically sold everyone else out for a sniff of change on their one issue.
QFT.

But this is how elections will be decided in the future in our preferential voting system.

IMHO political parties are dinosaurs if they don't adapt to an era where the majority no longer vote for Labor/Liberal/National/Greens/whatever but look below the line for the person who campaigns on the one issue that matters to them.

Coalitions of candidates on particular themes is inevitable. The reason why I referenced climate200.
 
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If you don't know then I suggest you go to your local pub and ask - not an inner city bar but a proper suburban pub.

There have been numerous media on why Albanese is unpopular and why Dutton is on the rise. It's no use re-litigating them as you will not agree.
Suburban pub lol, so all the illinformed nuffies who only really care about Sport and cars. Ask them anything political they pretend they know what there talking about but have no clue at all. They mostly watch Sky News as well. If they have decided Albo is terrible that shows how disengaged from it all they are.
 
The problem is that the teals are not actually a party with policies but a bunch of single issues independents that got elected on the idea that they were moderates for climate change.

They're largely wealthy individuals themselves in conservative seats that will vote conservatively on anything other than climate change.

They're not beholden to the party machine but there's also no guaranteed unity or national policy to point to.

Single issue politicians have historically sold everyone else out for a sniff of change on their one issue.

They're not going to be any better than the greens but they will keep some votes away from the greens because of climate change.

They aren't part of the two majors at least but their voting patterns so far haven't filled me with much confidence that they'll be anything other than pro establishment

Teals aren’t single issue. They aren’t independents either. They have the same financial backer

In some seats notably kooyong their primary vote is actually labor and green voters voting tactically

I’m sure it will catch on in other existing teal and many new seats

I chuckle when lnp says a vote for teals is a vote for labor

Mateys. They are labor and green voters anyway
 
Really? If I was labor I’d tempted be campaigning against the coalitions ‘glass jaw’. Isn’t Dutton always going to sue someone or other?


 

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