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Didn't age well
It was a poor loss, but not sure how it didn't age well after one loss
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Didn't age well
Cripps has played some time up forward this year. Walsh this year has been a CBA mid but has played as a winger or a high half forward that pushes up to stoppages as recently as 2023. Cerra has played HB, wing and as a CBA mid for us so far. Williams was initially brought across to be a midfielder but injuries saw him moved back to HB. Was used as a half forward in our most recent game against the Swans.What stands out to me with Carlton is how few players they have that are competent in two positions. If things aren’t peachy, what pieces do you move around to change a game? I can’t think of many positional moves that can win Carlton a game. You can’t throw Cripps, Cerra or Walsh forward, you can’t put Saad or Williams in the guts. You probably can but wouldn’t throw McGovern forward. You can’t throw Martin or Acres in the guts.
The last two premiership teams had dual position players coming out of their backsides. Chris Scott is absolutely obsessed with them. And for good reason. It makes sides unpredictable when they can move around players frequently and efficiently.
It’s a cliche to say a coach has no plan B but it’s what I see with Voss and Carlton. They have a quality team but they need to excel in their primary role because what alternative is there?
People watching us probably think we have purely 1 position players because our coaching group are so stubborn to move the magnet around.Cripps has played some time up forward this year. Walsh this year has been a CBA mid but has played as a winger or a high half forward that pushes up to stoppages as recently as 2023. Cerra has played HB, wing and as a CBA mid for us so far. Williams was initially brought across to be a midfielder but injuries saw him moved back to HB. Was used as a half forward in our most recent game against the Swans.
Some other notable names that can play multiple positions and have been utilised in these different positions during games:
Probably others I'm forgetting but I think we have quite a bit of versatility in our best 30 or so.
- TDK - RCK/FWD
- Kennedy - DEF/MID/FWD
- McKay - RCK/FWD
- Fogarty - FWD/MID
- Cottrell - WING/FWD
- Cuningham - FWD/MID
- JSOS - RCK/FWD
- Docherty - DEF/WING/MID
- E.Hollands - FWD/MID
- Not a proper swing man but Curnow also goes back into defence when we need to stop momentum or hold on at the end of a game.
The one I want to see more of is E.Hollands on ball. I think especially with Cerra and Docherty out we need someone (other than Walsh) that can spread from the contest to balance out Cripps/Hewett/Kennedy.People watching us probably think we have purely 1 position players because our coaching group are so stubborn to move the magnet around.
Can’t say I’ve seen any of these blokes play their secondary position and have had the impact needed to change the trajectory of a game. You’re welcome to correct me.Cripps has played some time up forward this year. Walsh this year has been a CBA mid but has played as a winger or a high half forward that pushes up to stoppages as recently as 2023. Cerra has played HB, wing and as a CBA mid for us so far. Williams was initially brought across to be a midfielder but injuries saw him moved back to HB. Was used as a half forward in our most recent game against the Swans.
Some other notable names that can play multiple positions and have been utilised in these different positions during games:
Probably others I'm forgetting but I think we have quite a bit of versatility in our best 30 or so.
- TDK - RCK/FWD
- Kennedy - DEF/MID/FWD
- McKay - RCK/FWD
- Fogarty - FWD/MID
- Cottrell - WING/FWD
- Cuningham - FWD/MID
- JSOS - RCK/FWD
- Docherty - DEF/WING/MID
- E.Hollands - FWD/MID
- Not a proper swing man but Curnow also goes back into defence when we need to stop momentum or hold on at the end of a game.
There are plenty of examples of those changes happening and benefiting the club but in my opinion the most notable was seen in 2023 with Fogarty and Cuningham. In Round 14, Carlton began that run of wins until the end of the year and this coincided with those two players entering the team. They both played forward but also added to our on ball rotations and provided something different to the mids already there.Can’t say I’ve seen any of these blokes play their secondary position and have had the impact needed to change the trajectory of a game. You’re welcome to correct me.
Another ruckman? Wouldn't imagine so, TDK and Pitto both going ok.Carlton need a small forward, ruckman and outside midfielder.
It's ironic because the Carlton sides under Ratten had players in abundance for these positions.
Williams as small forward might end up being the solution.Another ruckman? Wouldn't imagine so, TDK and Pitto both going ok.
Agree with the rest tho. Small forward situation is absolutely diabolical, Durdin and Fantasia should not be getting games full stop. And yes we need a lot more run, having both Saad and Cottrell out against Sydney sure didn't help but geez we looked slow.
Seems like an inspired move for sure, I assume there's a match committee member down at Princes Park peacocking around as we speak. 2 weeks is too small a sample size though, and be interesting to see if they persist with it when Motlop becomes available.Williams as small forward might end up being the solution.
We've seen similar at Hawthorn with Hardwick playing up forward and kicking goals.Seems like an inspired move for sure, I assume there's a match committee member down at Princes Park peacocking around as we speak. 2 weeks is too small a sample size though, and be interesting to see if they persist with it when Motlop becomes available.
Did say to a mate over the weekend, how hilarious (and sad) is it that a half-back flanker seems to have more forward craft and get to infinitely better spots than our actual small forwards lol
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Can I ask who "they" is?After beating Port in SA, it had me thinking Carlton might have finally arrived.
Yes they made a preliminary final last year, but so did Richmond in 2001.
Voss seems to like implementing a gameplan reliant on individual talent, rather than system.
I remember when Carlton were 11-4 and Voss was seen as a superhero, and now they want him sacked.
The Carlton faithful.Can I ask who "they" is?
You think a significant portion of Carlton fans want Voss sacked? Or are you just conflating the views of a few to that of the entire supporter base?The Carlton faithful.
I'd say so, and I don't blame them because Voss implements a gameplan reliant on individual talent rather than system.You think a significant portion of Carlton fans want Voss sacked? Or are you just conflating the views of a few to that of the entire supporter base?
Ok so not really based on anything then.I'd say so, and I don't blame them because Voss implements a gameplan reliant on individual talent rather than system.
No we back him in with some better assistant coaches. We need to lose our reputation as a sacking club imo.After beating Port in SA, it had me thinking Carlton might have finally arrived.
Yes they made a preliminary final last year, but so did Richmond in 2001.
Voss seems to like implementing a gameplan reliant on individual talent, rather than system.
I remember when Carlton were 11-4 and Voss was seen as a superhero, and now they want him sacked.
I get that there are significant holes which need to be addressed, but peaking at 1 finals appearance with this list?Perhaps they've peaked
Voss won't be sacked because Brian Cook is at the helm.No we back him in with some better assistant coaches. We need to lose our reputation as a sacking club imo.
I thought Hansen was ready for a senior coaching role?Voss won't be sacked because Brian Cook is at the helm.
The list and gameplan both need to be worked on, and new assistants would help eg Richmond in 2017 when they put new assistants around Hardwick.