When will the Carlton FC Arrive?

[Chief]

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When will the Carlton FC Arrive? Part 2

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[Robertio]

Neither do you though?

I'm not guessing though mate, I'll wait until something happens first.

 

[Chief]

Calling me naive and going at me directly,

He called your view naive. Not you.

 

[faible]

I'm not guessing though mate, I'll wait until something happens first.

You're guessing it's not a shambles.

The media reports and messaging from the club, suggest they're at least partly flying by the seat of their pants on this one.

 

[Robertio]

You're guessing it's not a shambles.

The media reports and messaging from the club, suggest they're at least partly flying by the seat of their pants on this one.

Show me where i have said it's not a shambles, you can't because i haven't said it. For your imfo i think it is a shambles but you have to stop making things up.

 

[Donnini]

Need to start drafting some hard nosed types

Our list hasn't improved all that much since 2019 when we were destined for wooden spoon. In 2019 had Cripps in red hot form, Casboult holding up forward line and Curnow starting to grab headlines.
In other words our list is very poor. Some great generic improvement from 3-4 players but midfield depth has not been addressed for best part since Judd retired in 2014.
Carlton board does what Carlton board does best - overrates our list.

 

[faible]

Show me where i have said it's not a shambles, you can't because i haven't said it. For your imfo i think it is a shambles but you have to stop making things up.

So why do you keep trying to argue with people when you agree with them that's it's not being handled as well as I'm sure the supporters would like it to be.

 

[Robertio]

So why do you keep trying to argue with people when you agree with them that's it's not being handled as well as I'm sure the supporters would like it to be.

I only argue when someone says something that's baseless, as you can see i don't argue with every post.

 

[LordLucifer]

Leave it there though, as I'm probably getting a bit pointed in this thread, and it's probably derailing conversation a bit

Don't drop out of the conversation, your comments and viewpoints are not unreasonable or way off the charts.

Mind you, I do not agree with much of what you have said but I cannot fault the manner in which you have stated them.

 

[LordLucifer]

Could anyone see this Carlton list seriously playing the type of football required to take you deep into September?

With a solid & talented coaching & development structure overseeing the list, I sure as hell can !!

If we go back 5-6 years, I doubt many people would have been predicting the season the Dees have had thus far so nothing is cast in stone for the future.

 

[LordLucifer]

It will take a new coach at least 2 seasons to lay the foundations. Maybe even 3.

Disagree, I think the foundations are already there, its the tweaking of the list and the emphasis on relentless hard work that is needed now.

 

[NewMelbournian]

All those clubs you mentioned made finals and won finals before their flags though.

Carlton have done neither yet.

I didn't say premiership in 2022, I said finals in 2022. That could be our platform year and then we go into contention from 2023 onwards.

 

[Freomaniac]

Clarkson reportedly rejected offers from over 10 clubs.

Lyon didn’t want to go through the proper process, which is the right way to do it.

Leppitsch ruled himself out of a job he was never in the running for and mentioned today it was nothing to do with Carlton and more to do with his current desire to be a head coach. He seemingly has an agreement with the Pies.

Ridiculous post.

Pity Ross Lyon didnt.

I say Lyon would of got you a good 3-4 year run of finals before your sick and tired of him.

Don Pyke would be good for 4-5 years if he gets you a good 2-3 finals wins in a 4-5 year period.

I think looking at Carltons list they need an experienced coach rather an inexperienced one like teague or mark neeld.

Carlton needs stability.

 

[LordLucifer]

Pity Ross Lyon didnt.

I say Lyon would of got you a good 3-4 year run of finals before your sick and tired of him.

Don Pyke would be good for 4-5 years if he gets you a good 2-3 finals wins in a 4-5 year period.

I think looking at Carltons list they need an experienced coach rather an inexperienced one like teague or mark neeld.

Carlton needs stability.

Completely agree.

 

[Juddernaut08]

Not when you play the man, given it's literally one of the tenets of BF. Calling me naive and going at me directly, rather than responding to what was a pretty reasoned comment, is something posters usually get a rap on the knuckles for.

Quit your whining.

 

[Robertio]

Pity Ross Lyon didnt.

I say Lyon would of got you a good 3-4 year run of finals before your sick and tired of him.

Don Pyke would be good for 4-5 years if he gets you a good 2-3 finals wins in a 4-5 year period.

I think looking at Carltons list they need an experienced coach rather an inexperienced one like teague or mark neeld.

Carlton needs stability.

Spot on, I'll happily take either.

 

[Donnini]

Pity Ross Lyon didnt.

I say Lyon would of got you a good 3-4 year run of finals before your sick and tired of him.

Don Pyke would be good for 4-5 years if he gets you a good 2-3 finals wins in a 4-5 year period.

I think looking at Carltons list they need an experienced coach rather an inexperienced one like teague or mark neeld.

Carlton needs stability.

Stability and Carlton in one sentence? That will be the day.

 

[Freomaniac]

I've addressed this a number of times in this thread.

You're not just selecting the best most credentialed coach, you're appointing a guy who is going to best fit in with your club and who is going to work best with your squad - there's no use just selecting the guy at the top of a hypothetical list. At that point you're just ticking boxes, and that is the exact kind of thinking that got Mick Malthouse hired to the Carlton Football Club.

It's not as though Ross didn't have question marks on him either. Still 0 premierships from 4 attempts, he also left both his former clubs in disarrayed and harassed a female member of staff at Freo. Pretty obvious why he needed some serious background work.

If Ross couldn't handle a comprehensive process, which involved some extensive reviews and discussions beyond his capability as a senior coach then he was never the right candidate in the first place.

Bagging out Ross Lyon because he is 0-4 from grand finals. Ross Lyon sides have made grand finals in 2009, 2010 and 2013. Carltons last grand final was in 1999.

The fact that Ross Lyon got FREMANTLE to a grand final is nothing short of a miracle. With Pavlich, McPharlin and sandilands all missing at least 8 weeks with injury. Thats your best KPF, KPD and ruckman out injured.

Now imagine if Carlton hire Rossy Lyon in 2022 and in 2023, Carlton makes a grand final with Harry McKay, Jacob Weitering and you best ruckman all out injured for 8-10 weeks with injury? You gonna bitch and moan and Call him a failure after that?

 

[Donnini]

Bagging out Ross Lyon because he is 0-4 from grand finals. Ross Lyon sides have made grand finals in 2009, 2010 and 2013. Carltons last grand final was in 1999.

The fact that Ross Lyon got FREMANTLE to a grand final is nothing short of a miracle. With Pavlich, McPharlin and sandilands all missing at least 8 weeks with injury. Thats your best KPF, KPD and ruckman out injured.

Now imagine if Carlton hire Rossy Lyon in 2022 and in 2023, Carlton makes a grand final with Harry McKay, Jacob Weitering and you best ruckman all out injured for 8-10 weeks with injury? You gonna b*tch and moan and Call him a failure after that?

They definitely will - that's a given we like eating our own here.

 

[bergholt]

Could anyone see this Carlton list seriously playing the type of football required to take you deep into September?

I couldn't see this Melbourne list doing it this time last year. Probably I'm just a bad judge of football but things can change pretty quickly.

They have AA calibre players in Walsh and Weitering, McKay obviously close, presumably Cripps can be AA again, probably not Docherty but with a clean run at it maybe. And I rate Curnow but since he's barely played in 2.5 years don't know if he can hit his ceiling now. Their developing players don't look particularly flash (except De Koning) but kids can take a next step pretty fast. I wouldn't rule them out.

 

[CarnTheScray]

I didn't say premiership in 2022, I said finals in 2022. That could be our platform year and then we go into contention from 2023 onwards.

So if you're 5-7 years away you haven't really arrived yet have you?

 

[LordLucifer]

Stability and Carlton in one sentence? That will be the day.

They definitely will - that's a given we like eating our own here.

The mockery directed towards my club is very justified. The board is an indictment to the Carlton family.

Jeez, aren't you a bundle of joy ???

 

[Juddernaut08]

Jeez, aren't you a bundle of joy ???

Donnini is Vince Loccisano btw.

 

[LordLucifer]

Donnini is Vince Loccisano btw.

He disguised it pretty well too.

 

[Emi]

they had Cripps, but I'm not even sure he is elite anymore. Walsh, Weitering and McKay probably their closest

"closest" bro its not even a question, Mckay is the coleman medalist, Weitering is a top 3 key defender in the league and Walsh is top 5 for brownlow favourite.

 

[Emi]

It really is pretty bog average

Pendles = Cripps
Sidey > Walsh
Moore > Weitering
Adams > Williams
Crisp = Saad
DeGoey = McKay

Then we still have Grundy, Howe, Maynard who are AA quality....

Carlton are a BOG average team who are still suffering from woeful list management decisions under SOS.

ah yes DeGoey is better than the coleman medalist, imagine having such a brain dead take. Sidebottom is a super mediocre player these days and his prime is well over, Walsh is a top 5 midfielder in the comp, sidebottom isn't even top 40. Weitering is also a super elite key defender and was unlucky to miss out on AA and is pretty similar to Moore in talent. Crisp is better than Saad, don't know why you'd have them as equal. Cripps and pendles equal on current form is fair but Cripps is much much younger and has time to turn his career back around. Seriously though what a delusional take. Also if Howe, Grundy and Maynard were AA quality players then they would be AA, but none of them even made the squad so that speaks for itself.