Where are north at?

[ChrisRyanSaints]

North arent in a very good place.
A lot of good honest players but not seeing the stars in the young group and their stars have gone. Rebuild mode.

I dont expwct them to make finals and I feel the second half of the season reflects where theyre at.

 

[B4Bear]

They are in for a few years of pain now. Had their chance and muffed it utterly.

Muffed it utterly? Hardly. We went for the brass ring and came up short, that is all.

Let's compare shall we?

Five years ago we had Richmond, North and Melbourne all being seen as about on par with each other here on BF.

Who has given it a red hot crack in that timeframe? Who has made a genuine attempt at going for a premiership?

Of those three who has been the best performed?

EFC are the classic muffed it example, both on and off the field for the last five years.

 

[GarnerSmash]

As many untried first and second round draft picks as Richmond, Melbourne, Hawthorn, Geelong and West Coast combined.

But yeah, no one likes the look of our youf. Dey all shit.

 

[Jobe Watson]

As many untried first and second round draft picks as Richmond, Melbourne, Hawthorn, Geelong and West Coast combined.

But yeah, no one likes the look of our youf. Dey all shit.

Melbourne have elite youngsters in Hogan and Petracca. How can you possibly even have Melbourne's youth stocks in the same universe as North's?

Out of the 20 players on your list who are younger than 22, 16 have yet to make their debut. That's bloody scary for a team who are predicted to be bottom 4 next year, and I'd be shocked if any of the other teams you listed have such a low debut rate from recent draftees.

 

[Beerfish]

Muffed it utterly? Hardly. We went for the brass ring and came up short, that is all.

Let's compare shall we?

Five years ago we had Richmond, North and Melbourne all being seen as about on par with each other here on BF.

Who has given it a red hot crack in that timeframe? Who has made a genuine attempt at going for a premiership?

Of those three who has been the best performed?

Blah blah blah. How many flags won? Zero. As far as I'm concerned that's muffed it utterly. Nobody gives a shit how many finals you made/won or how much of a 'red hot crack' you had or how much of a 'genuine attempt' you made.

EFC are the classic muffed it example, both on and off the field for the last five years.

No arguments here. At least I'll admit it.

 

[Big_Birdy]

Melbourne have elite youngsters in Hogan and Petracca. How can you possibly even have Melbourne's youth stocks in the same universe as North's?

Not sure his statement has any element of truth to it.

I remember a thread a couple of years back regarding who would win the 2015 Wooden Spoon, and a certain Carlton supporter talking up every untried player they had on their list as ready to step into the void after 0 games when anyone would predict them to come last.

This thread has that same kind of feeling to it.

 

[GarnerSmash]

Melbourne have elite youngsters in Hogan and Petracca. How can you possibly even have Melbourne's youth stocks in the same universe as North's?

I didn't say we did.

However I would not discount any teams future prospects if they have a large group of players drafted in the first two rounds of their drafts who have not yet been exposed at AFL level. They may ne shit. They may be footsoldiers. Or they may be a group of really talented players who really kick on. Who knows?

North are shit and have no kids is the mantra. Fact is we have more than twice as many as any other team who were rated enough to go early in their respective drafts who we havent seen yet. Hows about the get a crack before definitives are handed down?

 

[GarnerSmash]

Not sure his statement has any element of truth to it.

I remember a thread a couple of years back regarding who would win the 2015 Wooden Spoon, and a certain Carlton supporter talking up every untried player they had on their list as ready to step into the void after 0 games when anyone would predict them to come last.

This thread has that same kind of feeling to it.

Have a look and let me know. Thats what i did.

FYI North first and second round picks yet to play at AFL level.

Durdin, Nielsen, Vickers-Willis, McKay, Hibberd, Simpkin, Ahern, Watson and Williams.

**** it. I'll do it for ya.

Hawks: 0
Rich: Bolton
Geel: Parfitt
Melb: McKenna
Adel: Galluci, Wigg, Doedee
WCE: Venables, Rotham, Partington

9 first and second rounders between 6 clubs who are yet to debut.

North have 9 yet we are the ones who are ****ed.

Never change bigfooty.

 

[DaVillaBlues]

Melbourne have elite youngsters in Hogan and Petracca. How can you possibly even have Melbourne's youth stocks in the same universe as North's?

Out of the 20 players on your list who are younger than 22, 16 have yet to make their debut. That's bloody scary for a team who are predicted to be bottom 4 next year, and I'd be shocked if any of the other teams you listed have such a low debut rate from recent draftees.

Well North haven't had access to those elite kids, the system is to blame really, as North fans said, least their footy club had a crack.

Its unfortunate and probably unfair that the system punishes a club like NM for actually trying to make the finals every year.

I also think the Jamea Brayshaw philosophy that North can't afford to bottom out is flawed, regardless it will be interesting to see how the new regime at the Roos go, i doubt new chairman Ben Buckley will be as chummy towards Brad Scott as JB was.

I don't think they'll make the eight, but still think the Roos list is too good to finish bottom 4.

 

[Big_Birdy]

Have a look and let me know. Thats what i did.

FYI North first and second round picks yet to play at AFL level.

Durdin, Nielsen, Vickers-Willis, McKay, Hibberd, Simpkin, Ahern, Watson and Williams.

And West Coasts are Venebles, Rotham and Partington.

So your statement is wrong. I'm also not sure what you are getting at? Are you trying to claim that having first and second round players on your list not able to crack a game is a good thing?

 

[footyfan1978]

They are up a creek we all know the name of and they have no paddle.

 

[Big Animal]

Where are North at? Isn't it fairly straight forward? They loaded up, gave themselves the best chance of a cup using the best players available to them, but didn't make it. Such is life. Freo tried the same. Now they will rebuild from a position near the bottom for a couple of years or so to do it all again. With the semi-evenness of AFL (apart from GWS), you're better at the top or the bottom or rushing through the middle one way or the other. Sitting in the middle year after the year never gets you anywhere except a few stars and no depth. Ask Richmond supporters.

Enjoy the rollercoaster Northies. Sure April to September will suck, but October and November can be an exciting time.

 

[GarnerSmash]

And West Coasts are Venebles, Rotham and Partington.

So your statement is wrong. I'm also not sure what you are getting at? Are you trying to claim that having first and second round players on your list not able to crack a game is a good thing?

Not able to crack a game in a team that loaded up to push for a flag isn't the same as not being up to it. Which we are yet to see. But despite not knowing yet others are happy to write the club off.

Btw i updated my post and i was wrong. Apologies.

I forgot to add in Adelaide too.

 

[freddy mercury]

You guys will not make the 8. Bookmark it.

In fact you returning 'stars' will be cooked by July due to a lack of condition.

Unless of course there is a secret sauce in Jobe's foray as a barista in NYC he is not telling anyone about.

Regardless of what happens you can bookmark it that we will finish above north. Rubbish list

 

[Big_Birdy]

Not able to crack a game in a team that loaded up to push for a flag isn't the same as not being up to it. Which we are yet to see. But despite not knowing yet others are happy to write the club off.

Btw i updated my post and i was wrong. Apologies.

I forgot to add in Adelaide too.

Ah every club in the top 14 teams probably is selecting best available. You were ordinary last year yet your high selections weren't pushing themselves in, even with all of these apparent injuries. Just because they are high picks doesn't mean they are any good. Do I really need to start giving examples? You need to hope Durdin and Nielsen can cut it at AFL level. I can safely say Barrass has passed that initial test. See the difference?

 

[Milanista28]

No arguments here. At least I'll admit it.

I'll argue it, We done a little more than "Muffed it".

 

[GarnerSmash]

Ah every club in the top 14 teams probably is selecting best available. You were ordinary last year yet your high selections weren't pushing themselves in, even with all of these apparent injuries. Just because they are high picks doesn't mean they are any good. Do I really need to start giving examples? You need to hope Durdin and Nielsen can cut it at AFL level. I can safely say Barrass has passed that initial test. See the difference?

Nielsen did a knee at the very end of his first preseason. He was in the frame for selection in round one before that occured. Took a year to get back on his feet. Will he be as good as Barass? Dunno, but he shouldn't be written off. Which is what people so with North.

Durdin required a shoulder reco in his first year and struggled for continuity this year, starting forward and then being swung back. Should he too be written off?

Vickers-Willis also needed a shoulder reco in his first year and was on the cusp of senior selection before injury struck again late this year. Shouls he be written off?

The mantra is North are ****ed because they need to rebuild. Fact is the rebuild has been happening all along but its far easier to blab bullshit than it is to take a look. As I said, as many untried first and second round draft picks as Richmond, Hawthorn, Adelaide, Melbourne, Geelong and West Coast combined.

Will they be stars? Who knows? But that doesn't seem to prevent the naysayers from flapping their gums.

 

[Jade]

They are rebuilding after taking a swing at it.

When was the last time your club decided to have a proper crack at it?

I'm not talking 'leading teams', 'five year plans' or any other buzzword bullshit.

I'm talking put the best possible team on the park, with corresponding list management decisions and see if you can win a flag. North did that.

So yeah, they'll probably be shit in 2017, 2018.

But hey - they took a shot. You got to respect that.

 

[Beerfish]

They are up a creek we all know the name of and they have no paddle.

No they have paddles. They just don't know if they work yet.

But hey - they took a shot.

Yep. Put that in your trophy cabinet.

 

[Jobe Watson]

I didn't say we did.

However I would not discount any teams future prospects if they have a large group of players drafted in the first two rounds of their drafts who have not yet been exposed at AFL level. They may ne shit. They may be footsoldiers. Or they may be a group of really talented players who really kick on. Who knows?

North are shit and have no kids is the mantra. Fact is we have more than twice as many as any other team who were rated enough to go early in their respective drafts who we havent seen yet. Hows about the get a crack before definitives are handed down?

I don't think anyone is saying you don't have kids. You have the 2nd youngest list in the league so obviously you do.

It's just that North supporters keep pumping up these kids that have 0 AFL experience, and are confused why opposition supporters aren't doing the same. It's hard to rate North's youth when most of them are stuck in the VFL or on the sidelines with injury. The fact you have so many untried rookies isn't necessarily a good thing.

Where's North's Merrett, Bontempelli, Petracca, Cripps, Barrass, Mills? Not much to get excited about at the moment when you look at North's young players.

 

[Testekill]

I don't think anyone is saying you don't have kids. You have the 2nd youngest list in the league so obviously you do.

It's just that North supporters keep pumping up these kids that have 0 AFL experience, and are confused why opposition supporters aren't doing the same. It's hard to rate North's youth when most of them are stuck in the VFL or on the sidelines with injury. The fact you have so many untried rookies isn't necessarily a good thing.

Where's North's Merrett, Bontempelli, Petracca, Cripps, Barrass, Mills? Not much to get excited about at the moment when you look at North's young players.

That's the big thing isn't it, they either point to kids that are yet to play a game or a 23 year old that hasn't even reached 20 games. Meanwhile the Bulldogs have multiple 50+ game players and Sydney has Danes Rampe who has almost hit 100 games. Hell, even Rory Atkins has doubled Woods total while debuting later and having just as many injuries.

 

[Kimbo]

Not sure his statement has any element of truth to it.

I remember a thread a couple of years back regarding who would win the 2015 Wooden Spoon, and a certain Carlton supporter talking up every untried player they had on their list as ready to step into the void after 0 games when anyone would predict them to come last.

This thread has that same kind of feeling to it.

It's a common pattern among footy supporters of 'rebuilding sides' (to talk up prospects based on incoming young players who have played little to no footy). To suggest that this then leads invariably to failure (or success) is flawed. Each case is unique and depends on a range of factors, not least the quality of the kids themselves.

In our case I'll back our football department to ensure they're competitive - we didn't drop down the ladder dramatically when Brad first took over in 2010 - and to develop a team worthy of finals within a short period. The bigger question is whether we've got enough players now, or in the next few years, who have the necessary star quality to win a premiership. It's too early to tell either way.

That said, I wouldn't be unhappy with a year or two in the bottom four from a draft pick perspective. I'm not advocating tanking by any means; just saying if playing lots of kids results in a lower ladder position the one upside is access to high end quality we've been starved of from a draft position perspective.

 

[B4Bear]

It's a common pattern among footy supporters of 'rebuilding sides' (to talk up prospects based on incoming young players who have played little to no footy). To suggest that this then leads invariably to failure (or success) is flawed. Each case is unique and depends on a range of factors, not least the quality of the kids themselves.

In our case I'll back our football department to ensure they're competitive - we didn't drop down the ladder dramatically when Brad first took over in 2010 - and to develop a team worthy of finals within a short period. The bigger question is whether we've got enough players now, or in the next few years, who have the necessary star quality to win a premiership. It's too early to tell either way.

That said, I wouldn't be unhappy with a year or two in the bottom four from a draft pick perspective. I'm not advocating tanking by any means; just saying if playing lots of kids results in a lower ladder position the one upside is access to high end quality we've been starved of from a draft position perspective.

Me, I would rather we had a crack and avoided the Melbourne, Carlton, Brisbane etc route.

 

[Kimbo]

Well North haven't had access to those elite kids, the system is to blame really, as North fans said, least their footy club had a crack.

Its unfortunate and probably unfair that the system punishes a club like NM for actually trying to make the finals every year.

I also think the Jamea Brayshaw philosophy that North can't afford to bottom out is flawed, regardless it will be interesting to see how the new regime at the Roos go, i doubt new chairman Ben Buckley will be as chummy towards Brad Scott as JB was.

I don't think they'll make the eight, but still think the Roos list is too good to finish bottom 4.

I think previously 'bottoming out' (to the extent that's deliberate) was dangerous for North with the AFL's agenda and our previous financial and administrative position. We're now well administered and our finances are good, and with a healthy base membership level, so I have no fears if we dipped down for a year or two, though I don't think that's as likely as most on BF's main board (2017 ladder predictions) seem to think.

Thanks for an adult response here mate.

 

[Le Grille]

I spose what the kids offer is the unknown, firrito, nds, drew were known quantities by the end of the year in terms of where the were at by that I mean cooked) In the lead in to finals it was probably to risky to chuck a kid in the deep end. Vickers Willis, Mountford would have been ready.

I was all for going for a flag but when the club realised this group wouldn't get it they have decided to not prolong the inevitable and refresh the list it was the right move.

New personnel can bring energy to the group and potentially a change in tactics or more flexibility.

I don't think we will be playing finals in 2017 but I can't see us being cellar dwellers either.

However it has been fashionable to pot us for years so why stop now.


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