Where are they now (delistings / retirements since 2005)

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I would never have bought a $75-$120/month package with Fox Footy in the old Foxtel days, so have been pretty thankful for the $25/month or less with discounts for Kayo that has given me a chance to watch most Hawks game. Still not easy for everyone, granted, but at least made me able to see the Hawks a bit more often than I used to.
 
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Teia really boucning around since his delisting - played WAFL in 2023 and old mates Timmy O and Shane Savage and the forgettable Ty Vickery along with Jed Anderson and Fergus Greene

Teia Miles (Portarlington, Bellarine)

The former Hawk took the mickey in his first year in the Bellarine, averaging more Premier Data ranking points than any other player with 153 per game to go with 36 disposals, a lazy 30 kicks and seven clearances. Miles, who played 19 games with Hawthorn, helped Portarlington snap its 68-game losing streak.


Tim O’Brien (Doncaster East, Eastern)

A maiden season in the Eastern league’s Premier Division netted a leading 37 goals for Doncaster East from 14 matches immediately after his decade-long AFL career with Hawthorn and the Western Bulldogs finished last year. His campaign was highlighted by bags of five against Vermont, Noble Park and Norwood on the way to finishing inside the top 10 for goals kicked in one of the state’s strongest local football competitions.

Shane Savage (Pines, Mornington Peninsula)

Another outstanding season by the ex-Hawk and Saint, with 10 mentions in the best players in his 18 games while using his pace and skill.

Tyrone Vickery (Edithvale-Aspendale, Mornington Peninsula)

The ex-Tiger and Hawk played a key role in the Eagles’ Division 2 premiership. Providing a strong target, he kicked 35 goals in 14 matches, including a bag of four in the grand final.

6. Jed Anderson (Hoppers Crossing, Western)

Enjoyed a stunning season in the middle for the Warriors as they ended a 20-year premiership drought. Was named in the best in 15 of his 16 games including the best on ground medal on grand final day.

5. Fergus Greene (Sandhurst, Bendigo)

Greene moved back to his home club and helped Sandhurst to win the premiership. He kicked 83 goals to lead the competition goalkicking.

 
Ned Ryerson said:
Thank **** for anti-siphoning legislation. Not everyone can afford and/or connect to pay TV and not all sport should be locked behind a paywall. You only need to look at the death of ODI cricket in this country to see that it's not great to lock everything up on a pay to watch service.

I will agree with you that the Channel 7 coverage of footy is deplorable and that listening to BT is a form of torture that even Dick Cheney would have winced at - but FTA sport still has its place.
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I remember at how great the coverage of the 2005 ashes series was on SBS, as the FTA networks didn’t want to broadcast the series. If it was just made exclusive to Foxtel back in the day, most Australians would not have been able to experience that series. The only other way people could have experienced that series, would have been through sites like cricinfo, or abc radio which is not the same as watching a broadcast.

In these days and times, Foxtel isn’t really worth the money, with streaming services being a cheaper alternative. FTA I stopped watching a long time ago, as I find it either reruns or crappy “reality” tv. So for the billion+ dollars that 7 pays for the footy, you would think that they would want to capitalise more on their investment by making it more watchable
 

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I would never have bought a $75-$120/month package with Fox Footy in the old Foxtel days, so have been pretty thankful for the $25/month or less with discounts for Kayo that has given me a chance to watch most Hawks game. Still not easy for everyone, granted, but at least made me able to see the Hawks a bit more often than I used to.
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Being a Telstra customer, I used to enjoy free coverage on the AFL ap. Worse thing Telstra did was drop that service., as I was then forced to get Kayo. Best thing I did was get rid of Foxtel, too expensive for how often I would use it.
 
The great man Gary Ayres

MONTROSE

Five-time Hawthorn premiership great and former Port Melbourne coach Gary Ayres will continue at Montrose, after arriving in 2022.


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With the Port Melbourne VFL coaching job in the news, it's worth noting that the great Gary Ayres, who led the Borough to the 2011 and '17 flags, has been reappointed at Montrose. He joined the Demons in 2022 and he's going on for two more years.


 
After a fantastic WAFL career with included multiple premierships, Angus Dewar (nee Litherland) has retired

Subiaco

IN:Jack Cooley (Perth), Jedd Edwards (East Perth), Archer May (Richmond/VFL).

OUT: Ben Sokol (retired), Leigh Kitchin (retired), Angus Dewar (retired).

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Leigh Kitchen started his football at the Eastern Ranges and was a star player in the BHH Development Team’s premierships in 2009, 2010 and 2011. He was awarded the Fred Hill Medal for BOG in the 2009 and 2011 GF’s and in 2011 was the DT captain and won the B & F. Kitch was a hard running highly competitive ball magnet and transferred to Frankston for more VFL opportunities before moving to WA where he played 183 games for Subiaco in the WAFL. He enjoyed a decorated career at Subiaco. He was a four time premiership player and won B & Fs in 2017 and 2021. He was captain from 2019 to 2023 and won the Outridge Medal for BOG in the 2019 and 2021 GFs. Kitch captained the WAFL State Team in 2021 and 2022 and won the Simpson Medal in 2021. I greatly admired Kitch when he played for the BHH and believe the only reason he was not drafted by an AFL club was his kicking efficiency. His quantity was great as was his tackling and leadership so he should be very proud of himself. ❤️
 
houdinihuddo said:
Leigh Kitchen started his football at the Eastern Ranges and was a star player in the BHH Development Team’s premierships in 2009, 2010 and 2011. He was awarded the Fred Hill Medal for BOG in the 2009 and 2011 GF’s and in 2011 was the DT captain and won the B & F. Kitch was a hard running highly competitive ball magnet and transferred to Frankston for more VFL opportunities before moving to WA where he played 183 games for Subiaco in the WAFL. He enjoyed a decorated career at Subiaco. He was a four time premiership player and won B & Fs in 2017 and 2021. He was captain from 2019 to 2023 and won the Outridge Medal for BOG in the 2019 and 2021 GFs. Kitch captained the WAFL State Team in 2021 and 2022 and won the Simpson Medal in 2021. I greatly admired Kitch when he played for the BHH and believe the only reason he was not drafted by an AFL club was his kicking efficiency. His quantity was great as was his tackling and leadership so he should be very proud of himself. ❤️
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Geez HH, you made me worry - had to check the thread title. Was worried I'd stumbled into the Obit thread.
 
Will be very interesting to see if Denver is given a 2nd chance - dare say he ends up on a rookie list

Ryan Daniels: Brutal reality of AFL draft is that some players just don’t make it at the top level

Ryan DanielsThe West Australian

Fri, 8 November 2024 1:00PM

Someone gave me some great parenting advice a long time ago.

The days are long, but the years go fast.

Never have truer words been spoken.

There are days when your kids embody the spirit of Chucky. They’re screaming, pooping, fighting, crying, you’re rocking them to sleep at 3am wondering if you’ll ever feel human again.

But then they turn eight, and you cry yourself to sleep thinking they’re basically moving out, getting a job and saying ‘I do’ the next day.

You’d give anything to slow it all down.

I’ve heard retired footy players say the same thing about their time in the game. The days are long – the summer running sessions, the early winter starts, the cross-country flights.

But blink, and it’s all over. For some, it’s quicker than others.

The national draft is two weeks away – a day where dreams come true, where hope is born, and fans get to unwrap footy gifts underneath the tree.

It’s also a day that gives birth to great expectation.

If you’re pick one, you better be a generational talent. If you’re a top-10 pick – you better be a star. If you get drafted at all, expect hundreds of messages from family, friends, ex-junior teammates and just about everyone you’ve ever met for more than 10 seconds.

Reality can hit quick - and it must all be a whirlwind.

You get drafted, the texts come in, you take photos in your new jumper, do an Insta video for your new club. Some move across the country, leaving family and friends behind.

Monday morning you’re running laps next to Marcus Bontempelli, or getting yelled at by Clarko. If you survive your first pre-season, you’ll likely roll into round one playing in the twos, maybe in a new role, with 21 blokes you barely know.

Maybe a hamstring injury pops up in round six, you take a month to get back, then you’re underdone and out of form. You crawl to the finish line of your first year on the list.

The coaches, dedicating most of their time to the AFL regulars, give you a bit of feedback, which you take on board and try to bring into your game.

Pre-season two begins – there are shiny new draft picks running alongside you in the 2k time trial – maybe some are quicker than you. Bigger. A better kick. This isn’t good. You start to doubt your place in all this, but you’re a competitor, a fighter, so you push on.

Round one comes around – you’re still in the ressies, and suddenly they’ve switched you from an inside-mid role to a high half-forward. Another red flag.

By mid-season you’re getting DMs from mates asking when you’re getting an AFL debut – in reality you have no idea.

Another minor injury pops up, but at the worst time. That calf keeps you out the last few weeks of the season. Your exit meeting happens the day after the last game – and you’re de-listed. Reality.

On the scrap heap – just 20 years old. This seems a little dramatic, but it’s reality for many of these kids.

From 2013 to 2022, 94 players were drafted, then de-listed without playing a single game. Nearly 10 players per draft. Another 59 played five games or less before being chopped.

Then there are guys like Denver-Grainger Barras.

The West Aussie was only drafted four years ago at pick 6 by Hawthorn. Seen as the best key defender of his class, Grainger-Barras drew lofty comparisons.

Here’s just a tase of the pre-draft analysis from multiple websites:

“Grainger-Barras is a defender’s defender who possesses terrific athleticism and intercept marking ability.”

“Able to play a variety of roles down back, he looms as a safe pick well within the top 10 of the upcoming draft.”

“A highly sought-after top-five contender in the intercept-marking mould of Jeremy McGovern.”

This analysis has proven to be off in hindsight, but these quotes weren’t outliers – the consensus was ‘pick this guy and he’s your centre-half back for the next 10-12 years’.

Yet here we are, four years later. He’s played 28 games, is yet to have a standout moment, and has spent the majority of his time in the VFL or in injury rehab.

Two weeks ago, he was de-listed. Hawthorn essentially gave up on the idea that this guy is part of their future. The arrival of Tom Barrass and Josh Battle, the continued brilliance of James Sicily, the emergence of Sam Frost, all of these things contributed.

The why is different for everyone. Maybe Grainger-Barras didn’t work hard enough, or maybe Hawthorn didn’t develop him right. Maybe the injury gods weren’t kind, or COVID ruined his draft year in 2020, and he missed a key piece of his football education. It’s probably some combination of all those things.

Now, Grainger-Barras is in a pack of about 50 players de-listed by AFL clubs and desperately trying to grab onto a second chance.

He may get one – Carlton and West Coast have shown some interest – but he may not.

And that’s the reality for many in this footy world.

The days are long, but the years go fast – and for some, it’s over before it really begins.
 
Kieran Lovell and Jackson Callow being mentioned as possible signing for Tassie's 2026 VFL team

KIERAN LOVELL (Kingborough)

The Kingborough stalwart has dominated the TSL for years and will be yet to reach 30 come the 2026 season.

He was named man of the match in the Tigers’ grand final win in 2023, and also took home the Lefroy Medal as Tasmania’s best player in this year’s win over Queensland.

Classy and a hard nut in the midfield who can also chip in with goals.



JACKSON CALLOW (Devonport/North Launceston)

The 22-year-old forward played three AFL games for Hawthorn and was part of North Launceston’s TSL flag in 2019. An old-school centre half forward and sure to be a major target to try and lure back home.


 
Liam Shiels (ex Hawk, ex north) will be joining ex Hawk, ex gold coast Campbell Brown (as coach) with ex Hawk, ex swan Josh Kennedy in an exhibition match of the Indian sport of Kabaddi on December 28 this year.
 
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Liam Shiels (ex Hawk, ex north) will be joining ex Hawk, ex gold coast Campbell Brown (as coach) with ex Hawk, ex swan Josh Kennedy in an exhibition match of the Indian sport of Kabaddi on December 28 this year.
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Kabaddi is a fun sport to watch. The highlights, anyways, as I've never actually watched a match. I would love to see a buzkashi exhibition down at the Portsea polo grounds.
 

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Buyer beware but all the best Denver.

AFL 2024: All the latest delisted free agency news and analysis​

Denver Grainger-Barras’ manager says it’s “a matter of time” before the No.6 draft pick ends up on another AFL list after being delisted by Hawthorn — could it be at Carlton?

November 13, 2024 - 3:39PM

Former No.6 pick Denver Grainger-Barras is poised to train with Carlton as he vies for an AFL lifeline after being delisted by Hawthorn.
The Hawks ran out of patience with their top pick from 2020, cutting Grainger-Barras after 28 matches in brown and gold.
Grainger-Barras’ manager Tom Seccull said it was “just a matter of time” until the 22-year-old ended up on another list.
“Like many AFL stories it was one of those ones where they’re not always going to be a good fit,” he said.
“As it turns out, at Hawthorn, he probably wasn’t a good fit.”

Seccull told SEN Grainger-Barras was “really excited” about the opportunity to train with Carlton but was not ruling out being selected in the national or rookie drafts.
“He could sort of go anywhere in that regard,” he said.
“I’ve got no doubt...he’ll get back on an AFL list, it’s just a matter of time.”
The 194cm defender would help bolster Carlton’s defensive depth, which was exposed as a major deficiency on the club’s list this year.

Seccull said Grainger-Barras’ role and physical development had conspired against him during his time as a Hawk.
“Absolutely, he can play,” he said.
Fellow backman Sam Durdin has been delisted by the Blues but offered a train-on spot for pre-season.
 
caseman2 said:
Buyer beware but all the best Denver.

AFL 2024: All the latest delisted free agency news and analysis​

Denver Grainger-Barras’ manager says it’s “a matter of time” before the No.6 draft pick ends up on another AFL list after being delisted by Hawthorn — could it be at Carlton?

November 13, 2024 - 3:39PM

Former No.6 pick Denver Grainger-Barras is poised to train with Carlton as he vies for an AFL lifeline after being delisted by Hawthorn.
The Hawks ran out of patience with their top pick from 2020, cutting Grainger-Barras after 28 matches in brown and gold.
Grainger-Barras’ manager Tom Seccull said it was “just a matter of time” until the 22-year-old ended up on another list.
“Like many AFL stories it was one of those ones where they’re not always going to be a good fit,” he said.
“As it turns out, at Hawthorn, he probably wasn’t a good fit.”

Seccull told SEN Grainger-Barras was “really excited” about the opportunity to train with Carlton but was not ruling out being selected in the national or rookie drafts.
“He could sort of go anywhere in that regard,” he said.
“I’ve got no doubt...he’ll get back on an AFL list, it’s just a matter of time.”
The 194cm defender would help bolster Carlton’s defensive depth, which was exposed as a major deficiency on the club’s list this year.

Seccull said Grainger-Barras’ role and physical development had conspired against him during his time as a Hawk.
“Absolutely, he can play,” he said.
Fellow backman Sam Durdin has been delisted by the Blues but offered a train-on spot for pre-season.
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I don't think "not a good fit" was the reason we delisted him! Seemed like a likeable bloke around the club, just couldn't get it to click for him at AFL level.
 
DGB even nominated Carlton (VFL) as his club in his AFL draft nomination so assume he's playing their regardless if the AFL team doesn't pick him up.

Jack O'Sullivan nominated under Old Xaverians.

All other delisted HFC players (Stephens, Tucker, Philips, Bennetts) nominated under Hawthorn AFL as their past club.
 
streetspirit said:
DGB even nominated Carlton (VFL) as his club in his AFL draft nomination so assume he's playing their regardless if the AFL team doesn't pick him up.

Jack O'Sullivan nominated under Old Xaverians.

All other delisted HFC players (Stephens, Tucker, Philips, Bennetts) nominated under Hawthorn AFL as their past club.
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Surprised Tucker even considered making a nomination. A hail Mary as he isnt even interested in playing VFL as "it is too much commitment" apparently, and likely to play at South Belgrave or another side in that league.
 
Sixpence said:
I don't think "not a good fit" was the reason we delisted him! Seemed like a likeable bloke around the club, just couldn't get it to click for him at AFL level.
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Not a good fit.

That’s primarily why we delisted him.
 
Sixpence said:
I don't think "not a good fit" was the reason we delisted him! Seemed like a likeable bloke around the club, just couldn't get it to click for him at AFL level.
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I think it's probably fair to say that he would have gotten more opportunities at a club that didn't have great medium sized defenders. He's probably best suited to play the role that Sicily or Scrimshaw are playing and he just wasn't ever going to get past them for a chance but other clubs don't have Sicily quality medium defenders to keep him out. Also Weddle coming in and offering everything DGB can in the air whilst also being an elite runner left him no chance.
 
It’s hard to say with DGB sometimes those players who aren’t exactly a defined position don’t make it. Aaron Francis had a similar highlights reel in his draft year for example. He’s simply not fit enough and doesn’t have the temperament yet to play elite level football. I don’t think we prevented his Carter he’s not ready and may never be but best of luck DGB.
 

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