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Between 2004 and 2010 Federer (and Nadal on Clay) broke an entire generation of tennis players, and Djoker is reaping the benefits of it.
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Interesting take, I can't agree. Djokovic had only won 1 slam up until 2011 and had to develop his game to beat Federer and Nadal. For me he has raised the level even further to combat both Federer and Nadal.Between 2004 and 2010 Federer (and Nadal on Clay) broke an entire generation of tennis players, and Djoker is reaping the benefits of it.
I think that is a little simplistic. The biggest thing to change tennis in 2004 wasn't Roger Federer winning 3 Grand Slams - it was the invention of copoly strings. The huge spin they generated had the flow-on effect of finally letting players effectively harness the power of large-headed racquets, which had been around for a while but always been a bit of a double-edged sword. Way more spin without sacrificing power means more consistency, longer points, and less upsets.Between 2004 and 2010 Federer (and Nadal on Clay) broke an entire generation of tennis players, and Djoker is reaping the benefits of it.
What generation is that?Between 2004 and 2010 Federer (and Nadal on Clay) broke an entire generation of tennis players, and Djoker is reaping the benefits of it.
Federer has grace
Nadal is a brute.
But Djokovic will be the GOAT. Being a distant 3rd in the popularity stakes means shit. He's practically owned this sport and bested the other two on 2 of the 3 surfaces for the major part, and particularly in the past decade where all 3 have been established.
I love watching Federer. He and Aussie Nick are my favourite players to watch. But he largely dominates players outside of the two. Up until 2017, he struggled against Nadal everywhere. Djokovic is probably not as great to watch as the other two, but he's the most consistent ground stroker in tennis, has the best defensive game, and works more on forcing errors rather than rattling off shots like Fed. Just like footy, it's not the most exciting brand of tennis, but it's been the most effective.
The problem is that the older you are, the harder it is to play defensive tennis, which is a cornerstone to Djokovic's game. Hit the mid-30s, he's not going to do those famous slide shots of his. His wall will start to have holes. Heck, even last year in Wimbledon a 37 year old Federer exposed that. That's why he's currently trying to make his serve into a better weapon. The question is: can he do it as reliably as Federer has in that age?But Djokovic will be the GOAT. Being a distant 3rd in the popularity stakes means shit. He's practically owned this sport and bested the other two on 2 of the 3 surfaces for the major part, and particularly in the past decade where all 3 have been established.
I love watching Federer. He and Aussie Nick are my favourite players to watch. But he largely dominates players outside of the two. Up until 2017, he struggled against Nadal everywhere. Djokovic is probably not as great to watch as the other two, but he's the most consistent ground stroker in tennis, has the best defensive game, and works more on forcing errors rather than rattling off shots like Fed. Just like footy, it's not the most exciting brand of tennis, but it's been the most effective.
The problem is that the older you are, the harder it is to play defensive tennis, which is a cornerstone to Djokovic's game. Hit the mid-30s, he's not going to do those famous slide shots of his. His wall will start to have holes. Heck, even last year in Wimbledon a 37 year old Federer exposed that. That's why he's currently trying to make his serve into a better weapon. The question is: can he do it as reliably as Federer has in that age?
It's gonna really suck for you when Nadal and Novak relegate Fed to #3 on the Slams list.The problem is that the older you are, the harder it is to play defensive tennis, which is a cornerstone to Djokovic's game. Hit the mid-30s, he's not going to do those famous slide shots of his. His wall will start to have holes. Heck, even last year in Wimbledon a 37 year old Federer exposed that. That's why he's currently trying to make his serve into a better weapon. The question is: can he do it as reliably as Federer has in that age?
Yeah nah.The decline for Nadal and Djokovic is probably much closer than people think because neither of these guys plays tennis in a way that will hold stead at 38. Federer is a huge outlier who's had a blessed run with injuries and never played a game that was known to be as physically demanding as what Novak and Rafa are known for; I highly doubt we'll see anybody else win a grand slam at 36.
Couple in the inevitable progression of guys like Medvedev and Zverev, and this could potentially be one of the last tours where the big 3 start atop the rankings.
Nadal might do it, Novak needs to win five GS titles to get it. Where will he win those titles? Even a 37 year old Federer pushed him to the brink last year, so it's not a given.It's gonna really suck for you when Nadal and Novak relegate Fed to #3 on the Slams list.
Novak will feel what it was like to be Federer from 2013 onwards in those 3 years.Yeah nah.
Novaks got another 3 years minimum in him.
Wanna show me where I did this?Nadal might do it, Novak needs to win five GS titles to get it. Where will he win those titles? Even a 37 year old Federer pushed him to the brink last year, so it's not a given.
You're assuming he will not get knocked out of Wimby and the US Open the next few years. That's also assuming he stays in tip-top form during the AO.
Weren't you talking shit earlier last year how Djokovic was going to win USO? There are no guarantees in sport (as you should know from a certain PF loss). Maybe try to keep your predictions a little bit more realistic next time.
So you're saying at least 3 more slams?Novak will feel what it was like to be Federer from 2013 onwards in those 3 years.
I doubt it mate, Marin Cilic probably won't be around long enough to make any more dreams a reality.So you're saying at least 3 more slams?
You don't think Novaks got 3 more slams in him?I doubt it mate, Marin Cilic probably won't be around long enough to make any more dreams a reality.
I don't think Novak has 3 more years as the best all-surface player in the competition in him. He could win 3 slams this year and my hunch might still turn out to be right.You don't think Novaks got 3 more slams in him?
It might but Fed won 3 slams post 2013 which was the foundation for my tongue in cheek response.I don't think Novak has 3 more years as the best all-surface player in the competition in him. He could win 3 slams this year and my hunch might still turn out to be right.
As I said - there are no guarantees in sport matey. You of all people should know. You'll be eating your words, as you usually do.Wanna show me where I did this?
And cute mentioning football teams in a discussion about tennis. You really are heartbroken they're passing him. Christ Thrawny it's not like you're actually a close personal friend of his.
I did.As I said - there are no guarantees in sport matey. You of all people should know. You'll be eating your words, as you usually do.
Maybe actually respond to the points instead of typing gibberish.
You didn't even answer what GS titles he was going to win to surpass 20.I did.
I asked for you to show me my posts about the US open. Any chance of you doing that now instead of deflecting?
Oh.You didn't even answer what GS titles he was going to win to surpass 20.
And there's a reason why I framed that as a question.... just say "no", it's not that hard. But then again, you can't seem to answer basic questions, so...
What part of "there are no guarantees in sport" don't you seem to understand?Oh.
So to counter my point you bought up football and made something up.
Who's posting gibberish Thrawny?