News Who will kick the goals? - Matt Windley

[Alpha1]

Good question and the search starts as soon as we know if Fev is gone or not. I think we are quite well placed, Kruz to the goal square as has been mentioned before. And as most would know I have wanted this to happen as well, we have the smalls in Yarran, Eddie and Garlett. Or we could have Cloke as the stay at home FF and Kruz at CHF, which I like a lot more. Kruz has the tank to play at CHF, and Cloke can play the body on body role in the square, with Yarran, Betts, Garlett at the feet. Or we could have Eddie playing higher next to Kruz, with Garlett and Yarran next to Cloke. We have the options and we are going to be better off without Fev, here is the article http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/who-will-kick-the-goals/story-e6frf9if-1225781854652

 

[ccastell88]

Cloak is soo shit though. Personally, he is one of the worst players at Carlton.

 

[krayfesh]

Someone else! Someone else! Someone else!

 

[DamoESP]

Oh, how the seasons change....

 

[juddsentant517]

This is my biggest worry about Fevola leaving, which is saying alot, because i have bucketloads of problems with it
It is all good and well to push Kruzer forward knowing he would get the 2nd or 3rd defender, same with cloke and even eddie and garlett to an extent
But i think it will just set back kruzers career playing him forward on a scarlett or a glass or a rutten etc, facts are, he will only be 20 and he will get anihalated!. Same goes with waite with the number 1 defender on him. A forwardline with Fevola, Kruzer, Waite, Garlett, Betts etc, is alot more potent, with Kruzer or Waite getting the 2nd and 3rd defender. And it would be the responsibility of the midfielders not to kick it to fevola. Keeping Fevola doesnt mean we have to be one dimensional. We dont have to be one dimensional with Fevola!

 

[dumb]

waite for mine. has kicked the odd bag already in his career. the hole in the forward line he'd plug up would be bigger than the one he'd leave in the back half. course it depends how soon he's back...

 

[The Exorcist]

You know, Clokey's probably a top bloke but he's never fired as a forward.

He's actually too slow and not good enough at ground level. IF Fev goes I pray I'm wrong about Cloke

I hope Kruz makes it as a Key position forward, but we've got no idea whether he will or won't. Although he can take a mark, he's never played the role as a lead up marking ruckman, instead he's been very good at playing a very tall ruck roving type role.

We'll need to put Waite back up forward and see if that works

Ideally, Fev stays after receiving a bit of a discipline shock from the Blues.

 

[juddsentant517]

Alpha, as you have voiced your opinion on why Fev should get the boot the most (respectfully of course) i would like you to answer my question, as i was indirectly leading it to you

 

[tigers4spoon08]

Alpha why do you say such silly things?

For a start, Kruezer has played stuff all down at full forward, 1 good quarter against Port by memory, he is a ruckman not a forward, get over it.

You mention Chris Yarran might be able to step up and help fill the void, once again, a foolish statement, the kid is so very clearly not ready, he never apart from once set the VFL on fire, you are dreaming.

But my favorite foolish, bordering insane statement is saying that Cameron Cloke can play as our lead up full forward, holy crap i cant believe the s**t which has just dribbled out of your mouth.

If all the above is what we have to look forward to, then we will be celebrating a 12th spot finish next year.

Without the Fev we are absolutely nothing at all.

 

[Close to 17]

Someone else! Someone else! Someone else!

I'm someone else

We don't need a thinker..........we need a doer

 

[Tanks_Alot]

Good question and the search starts as soon as we know if Fev is gone or not. I think we are quite well placed, Kruz to the goal square as has been mentioned before. And as most would know I have wanted this to happen as well, we have the smalls in Yarran, Eddie and Garlett. Or we could have Cloke as the stay at home FF and Kruz at CHF, which I like a lot more. Kruz has the tank to play at CHF, and Cloke can play the body on body role in the square, with Yarran, Betts, Garlett at the feet. Or we could have Eddie playing higher next to Kruz, with Garlett and Yarran next to Cloke. We have the options and we are going to be better off without Fev, here is the article http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/who-will-kick-the-goals/story-e6frf9if-1225781854652

Kruz was always going to have more of a role up forward with the addition of Warnock. So what you're saying is we can replace Fev with Cloke.

Yeah that'd work! Why didn't we think of that before?

 

[true blue19]

The worst thing we could do is trade fev for bradshaw. I'm hoping for a trade with collingwood for dawes and/or n. Brown and still be able to trade with the bulldogs for everitt. So we end up with 3 young quality kkp to add to kreuzer, jamison, bower, austin, hampson and warnock to set us up with talls for the next 10 years.

 

[CUG81]

short term solution - bradshaw (more than capable of kicking 50 plus goals)

long term is a different story- dawes?? anthony?? If we do get a tarrant or maguire, waite can definitely go in that forward line.

i dont want kruz perminantly in that forward line, he is too important around the ground for us. waite and setanta may be able to do the job...if hampson does stay, along with warnock, then maybe we can rest kruz down there to stretch otehr teams defences on the odd occasion.

Cloke at FF isnt too bad, he has a good lead on him, he isnt fast, but still knows when to lead and his kicking isnt that bad.

I dont think we'll find one player to replace fevs goal tally each season, the club needs to find at least 2 players to share the goals.

Waite and 1 more could tally up 90 goals a season. And if we did get a player like Bradshaw or tarrant, we could have some flexibility in games with swapping KPP from defence to offence.

 

[as0l0]

answer: the people in the forward line.

with our midfield, whoever is a forward will be on easy street. the ball will come in so many times, so quickly and with so much accuracy that anyone will succeed. furthermore, our midfield will regularlly kick it over the head of those in the forward line to register a few majors of their own.

 

[Mr_Vedder]

Alpha why do you say such silly things?

For a start, Kruezer has played stuff all down at full forward, 1 good quarter against Port by memory, he is a ruckman not a forward, get over it.

You mention Chris Yarran might be able to step up and help fill the void, once again, a foolish statement, the kid is so very clearly not ready, he never apart from once set the VFL on fire, you are dreaming.

But my favorite foolish, bordering insane statement is saying that Cameron Cloke can play as our lead up full forward, holy crap i cant believe the s**t which has just dribbled out of your mouth.

If all the above is what we have to look forward to, then we will be celebrating a 12th spot finish next year.

Without the Fev we are absolutely nothing at all.

Fevola gets the ball kicked to him inside the forward 50 more than any other player in the competition. It was around 400 times this year. No other target at Carlton is even close to that. Fevola is not going to be easily replaced in the short term. The forward line is going to have to be multi pronged and less predicatable. They can work on it over summer. But it's going to take a few years and for individual players to develop. Which they will at a quicker rate with Fevola.

But to try and slot in a good forward line for next year is going to hard. Trading Fevola makes the team younger and creates opportunitites for others. But it is going to set the club back short term but hopefully set them up more long term.

The club needs to find a long term forward line. Identify who the club wants to play forward next year without Fevola and work on the patterns and set plays over the pre season and be patient with it as the midfielders are going to have to adjust as well.

 

[Sublime]

Who will kick the goals at the Bulldogs without their ... errr... marquee forward? Oh shit thats right they don't have one. They're been one of the highest scoring teams for the past 3 or so years and a top 4 team over the same period.

They have Will Minson posing as a big forward... we have Kreuze who can essentially play the same role (up forward and in the ruck), only much much better.

While its obviously better to have a big name forward to kick it to, its not essential. Rotations through the forward line can create a larger spread of goalkickers, harvesting similar results.

 

[Azul]

For which team does this Matt Windley play? Is he short or tall? Will he be available at pick 27?


Ok, I've read the article now.

I don't rate Cloke or o'hAilpin that much to suggest either can step up and kick 40 goals a season. I assume they'd be trialled due to the size and physical development. Edwards may be kept on as a rookie. If no one wants Fisher, and since he's still contracted, we owe him 2 extra games so he can get his name on a locker AND be eligible to pick his kids as father/son.

Of players who I'd genuinely rate in our best 22, we can't rely on Kreuzer. First, Warnock hasn't played a game yet. Second, there are rumours about Hampson going to Port. Third, his attack on the footy while on the ball is superior to the usual suspects in our team who won't run or chase.

With an ubundance of tall defenders (over their injuries and maybe Spangher/Everitt added) the most likely scenario is to rotate Austin, Waite and Bower through attacking 50. Waite is the obvious choice but Aussie has a good set of hands. Bower has a flair that suggests he's somewhat wasted in a defensive role. I remember a day when Ang Christou was unleashed on the forward line and kicked 4.

Time to fast-track Caleb Tiller...

 

[ratten7]

Alpha, as you have voiced your opinion on why Fev should get the boot the most (respectfully of course) i would like you to answer my question, as i was indirectly leading it to you

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[Alpha1]

Where have I said that Cloke is going to be the lead up forward? Read what I post before making stupid comments, Cloke is a body on body player and can take a mark. Fev isn't the type of FF who took pack marks, but Cloke is the type of player who can take pack marks. All of you crying about who will kick our goals should have a good look at the Cats, Dogs etc how the **** do they kick goals? We have a gun mid field and it's not like we don't have options if Fev goes, we do have the tall players so get over this Fev is bigger than the club crap.

 

[Tanks_Alot]

Where have I said that Cloke is going to be the lead up forward? Read what I post before making stupid comments, Cloke is a body on body player and can take a mark. Fev isn't the type of FF who took pack marks, but Cloke is the type of player who can take pack marks. All of you crying about who will kick our goals should have a good look at the Cats, Dogs etc how the **** do they kick goals? We have a gun mid field and it's not like we don't have options if Fev goes, we do have the tall players so get over this Fev is bigger than the club crap.

Yeah Cloke can take a pack mark, once a month. I don't think we're stuffed without Fev, but if we don't replace him with someone other than Cloke than we're F*****.

BTW you said Cloke can play FF and Kreuze CHF. Fev's position is FF, so therefore you are saying we replace Fev with Cloke. Maybe you should read what you post before making stupid comments.

 

[Alpha1]

We will be ok, it's not the end of the world. In fact it's the start of something new, something big for us. We have shown the playing group that no matter who you are, the club always comes first.

 

[Blue and Silver]

The idea is not to replace Fev with Cloke except in position. They play different games, and Cloke is clearly not as good at his then Fev is. Fev leads hard and wide and tries to get one on one to win the mark, he kicks a lot of his goals from play not set shots. Cloke is a big bodied contested marker who can crash packs. Both are types you can play out of FF but obviously we can't play both in the same position and their are selection pressures to get more midfielders in the team. Cloke has had next to no delivery compared to Fev and would be a better player to rove off for Yarran/Betts/Gartlett as he crashes the packs and can take a speccie (Round 20 last year he took a good one).

Waite should be a swingman and he can also be very dangerous one out. Kreuze should not be expected to play permanent forward but O'halpin should and be played out at CHF. O'halipn, while not as talented as Kreuze hit some really good form as a forward (4 goals against Freo) before he got crashed by Fev and missed a week, then had injuries keep him out for another three. The small forwards are no problem and Murphy has shown that midfielders can be effective goal kickers, you should also expect Judd to spend more time resting forward and improving his marking (becoming like Brad Johnson?)

In the end Fev is a great player and we won't be able to replace him with anyone near his capabilities. That doesn't mean our forward line will fall over, Fev has had by far the majority of deliveries into the forward line and when this is spread out by our talented midfield we could find a whole crop of forward talent

 

[HBF]

Who will kick the goals at the Bulldogs without their ... errr... marquee forward? Oh shit thats right they don't have one. They're been one of the highest scoring teams for the past 3 or so years and a top 4 team over the same period.

They have Will Minson posing as a big forward... we have Kreuze who can essentially play the same role (up forward and in the ruck), only much much better.

While its obviously better to have a big name forward to kick it to, its not essential. Rotations through the forward line can create a larger spread of goalkickers, harvesting similar results.

To bloody right Sublime. The trick here is to get more goals out of guys like Judd, Gibbs, Kreuzer, Simpson and even Walker. What we need to be able to do is spread the load, and see how many guys we can get to kick 20+ in 2010. To do a comparison, we had 3 over 20 this year - Fevola, Betts and Murphy. Geelong had 8.

 

[BlueYoss]

Wallsy listed the amount of times each of Fev, Eddie, Cloke and Carlos were Carlton's forward 50 target this year.

Combined with their respective scores for the year:

Fev kicked 89.57 from the 335 times he was the target.

Eddie kicked 38.21 from his 51.

Cloke kicked 8.6 from his 35.

Carlos kicked 12.8 from his 23.

It will be interesting to see who steps up with more delivery.

 

[AlecDuncan]

Who will kick the goals? Why, Sparkle The Magic Unicorn of course!