Roast Why are there so many idiots in charge in the AFL?

[Philhawk]

‘No disadvantage’: AFL rivals talk down WA travel complaints over ‘business class’ perks

’Sit up the front of the plane’: AFL clubs’ ‘business class’ complaint revealed over WA rivals

www.foxsports.com.au

“We crack Luke Beveridge, or Nathan Buckley back in the day,” he said. “(Do) we make it more like if you have more wins (or) if you coach your team to more wins than losses in a season — should we celebrate that? 13 wins, 10 losses (for example).

“Maybe it can be more of a media narrative, and then if we’re talking about top-four teams, is it a presentation on Brownlow Medal night? You get the captain up, (play) 30 seconds of highlights — we laud (successful home-and-away teams) Port Adelaide, Brisbane, something like that — how else? Is it cold, hard cash?”

For the love of all that is pure and holy, how do we stop these absolute abominations from ever seeing the light of day?

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

I resent Freo being sponsored by big polluter Woodside and doing nothing to offset their aircraft carbon emmisions.

 

[Engimal v3]

‘No disadvantage’: AFL rivals talk down WA travel complaints over ‘business class’ perks

’Sit up the front of the plane’: AFL clubs’ ‘business class’ complaint revealed over WA rivals

www.foxsports.com.au

For the love of all that is pure and holy, how do we stop these absolute abominations from ever seeing the light of day?

Speaking on Fox Footy’s Midweek Tackle, Herald Sun journalist Sam Landsberger revealed some of the “pushes” currently being made by clubs in relation to “celebrating” the game in a more expansive way.

“There are some pushes being made by clubs and players to find a way to celebrate more winners in the game,” reported Landsberger on Wednesday evening.

“Whether that is the creation of more trophies (or something else). They think that in football there’s a mentality of failure — there’s 17 clubs that fail every year and only one premier and 23 premiership players every year.

“There is a strong push tonight from some clubs and some playing groups that have submitted feedback to the AFL, that we need to find a way — like English soccer, where they have multiple trophies, like the US sports, where they have conference winners, or they celebrate winning seasons for coaches — we need to find a way to celebrate more players and more clubs in the game.”

Loser mentality

 

[And_ROOS]

I mean we had the preseason premiership and they did away with it. And it used to be meaningful because they used to talk about players who were daytime and nighttime premiership players like Brereton.

The thing is theres no point having more trophies because we have finals series. If you really want to celebrate other teams have a 17 game AFL Premiership + finals where over 2 years everyone plays each other home and away, and then have a preseason tournament in smaller groups like a lightning premiership or set up like the Champions League.

 

[skinnyP]

Ask Dallas Cowboys fans what they think of their winning season after getting done by the packers.

 

[Shane Heard]

I mean we had the preseason premiership and they did away with it. And it used to be meaningful because they used to talk about players who were daytime and nighttime premiership players like Brereton.

The thing is theres no point having more trophies because we have finals series. If you really want to celebrate other teams have a 17 game AFL Premiership + finals where over 2 years everyone plays each other home and away, and then have a preseason tournament in smaller groups like a lightning premiership or set up like the Champions League.

In what world does any living soul on this planet ever think about Escort Cup gf victories ..besides fat head Dermott?

 

[brmi]

Boys club. Plain and simple.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

I don’t mind some ideas. Coach of the year is already a thing but making them more significant.

The replica would be if you win a preliminary final. It would be the same a conference final in the NBA. Could see that celebrated. But other than that, I don’t see a point. Best team H&A already get a trophy too. It’s just how the sport comparatively values itself and things in a different manner to other sports, like the NBA or Premier League.

 

[Wallaby]

Because they are not interested in the sport - they are interested in the product.

They want more eyes on the product - so they need to produce more 'meaningful' games - championships, whatever. They want journos to spout rubbish that is pure click-bait, they want idiotic stats like Champion Data regurgitate so fans can perform endless regression analysis to prove that their favourite player is the only 'left footer to average 7 kicks, 5 handballs, 2 lattes and a gluten-free friand while playing interstate on Sundays'. FFS, the NBA had an 'in-Season Tournament' this year where some random regular season games over a couple of weeks were counted towards a made-up trophy. The teams that played off for the 'in-season Tournament' final finished 13th and 15th in the actual season. But they were 'finalists'! Cue headlines, trophy presentations, articles etc.

It's all bullshit, and it's purely to get fans engaged/enraged so they jump on their favourite app or message board and post meaningless opinionated crap, which no one actually cares about. Just like I'm doing now. Look at the interminable threads re 'All Australians', 'Rising Star' etc, where we spend our time arguing about 'opinions' - not the actual result of the games. And we are all being manipulated for advertising purposes, which makes money for the players, clubs and officials.

If the powers-that-be found a way that made the product demonstrably worse, but it made more money, they would implement it.

By the way, would you like some fried chicken with that? Or make a bet?

 

[M Malice]

 

[Tippett2Goal]

Geez I'd like to know what clubs are trying to argue that WA teams don't have a travel disadvantage... delusional

Spending 9hrs in a plane every 2nd week but apparently they have access to a few more business class seats...


Have to agree with Viney out of North though, Free Agency isn't working and is extending rebuilds and extending premiership windows making the competition more uneven.

 

[Sentinel]

Hard to celebrate teams with a 'winning season' too much when the draw is all over the place in terms of double ups.

I think the McClelland Trophy remains a good idea to combine and recognise the success of a club across both the AFL and AFLW, however the way it was measured last season was laughable (roughly 45% of it is decided on 10 AFLW games and the other 55% is decided on 23 AFL games. Even more ridiculous when each AFLW team doesn't even play 41% of the other teams in the competition). Not sure how they overcome that with the current format of the AFLW season.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Re the AFL executive, the reality is the product is excellent and fans want to watch it. Everything they now do seems tinkering at the edges for the sake of it eg Round Zero.

They outsource everything too. Gills greatest achievement - the TV rights deal - was subcontracted out to a consultancy who got it all done

 

[Gavin Excell]

The real test for the AFL is how long it can continue to support Gold Coast and to a lesser extent GWS

They've obviously taken the long term view on success which is appropriate but I imagine that would not be infinite

 

[Hawks_4478]

AFL house is definitely bloated and has too many employees IMO.

 

[PizzaPie]

Why does anyone need to be awarded anything? How about a handshake and a kind word at the end of the season, see you when pre season starts you needy little bitches.

 

[ibd77]

AFL to WA teams.

 

[BomberManU]

Surely even the AFL can see that having a 'fixture', rather than a 'draw', limits any of this other rubbish that's being discussed. How can you genuinely celebrate an achievement when teams have fixtures that are harder/easier, depending on where they finished the previous season? Fixtures that are designed to maximise crowd and TV numbers. Teams are sent interstate to boost crowd numbers in developing areas, some teams have to travel to Geelong, some don't.
The only thing that matters is the Premiership, in this game, and I would imagine that's all that most fans care about. All Aus, Brownlow, does anyone really care, apart from the media?

 

[Cam Payne]

The AFL is a reflection of wider society and wider society is full of idiots.

 

[Iago]

Should be like association football in England. We currently have playoffs to see who is promoted to the EPL. One of West Brom, Southampton, Norwich or Leeds will go up. Two of them will play a final and get a trophy at Wembley for finishing third. In that vein both losing prelim teams should get a trophy and a well-done old chap.

 

[Sentinel]

Should be like association football in England. We currently have playoffs to see who is promoted to the EPL. One of West Brom, Southampton, Norwich or Leeds will go up. Two of them will play a final and get a trophy at Wembley for finishing third. In that vein both losing prelim teams should get a trophy and a well-done old chap.

What about they introduce a 3rd place play off like they do at the soccer World Cup? It's always a thrilling event

 

[JackFlash]

An important thing to remember about CEOs and their executives, be it at the AFL or any big business, especially ones with direct input over the quantity and continued issuance of their paychecks, is that their ultimate goal is profit. The AFL will tinker and tamper with the game for as long as they think it will make them all one more dollar. Us poor, inefficient schleps that eat, sleep and have anxiety attacks about our own team are only of any use as long as we turn up to a game or watch on TV.

 

[Freddy Swift]

An important thing to remember about CEOs and their executives, be it at the AFL or any big business, especially ones with direct input over the quantity and continued issuance of their paychecks, is that their ultimate goal is profit. The AFL will tinker and tamper with the game for as long as they think it will make them all one more dollar. Us poor, inefficient schleps that eat, sleep and have anxiety attacks about our own team are only of any use as long as we turn up to a game or watch on TV.

So, so true Jack

 

[Shane Heard]

Geez I'd like to know what clubs are trying to argue that WA teams don't have a travel disadvantage... delusional

Spending 9hrs in a plane every 2nd week but apparently they have access to a few more business class seats...


Have to agree with Viney out of North though, Free Agency isn't working and is extending rebuilds and extending premiership windows making the competition more uneven.

We needed free agency. You can’t have players entombed and unable to freely move clubs after a contract is completed.

 

[Tippett2Goal]

We needed free agency. You can’t have players entombed and unable to freely move clubs after a contract is completed.

Not saying we didn't, but it is entrenching disadvantage.

Might not interest people but the NRL is currently having some of the exact same discussions.
Players taking significant ($300k+/yr) paycuts to leave struggling teams to play for "successful" teams.
And they have all the same concerns we do (ie Salary caps, not actually reflecting the different earning potential for players at different clubs)

To bring that back to AFL, we often hear how Dusty turned down Norths offer of 11m/7yrs to stay with Richmond for less money. However often not reported in this story is that Ralph Carr did the numbers and also advised Dustin to stay at the Tigers because his earning potential outside of footy as a Richmond player was higher than the difference of going to North.

“It was $11 million over seven (years from North Melbourne),” Carr said.

“They (Crows) matched that offer. Mark Ricciuto came down to see me and they matched that offer. Then we took less than that to stay at Richmond, which I had to talk Dusty into.

“I gave him the equation of what we could make outside of football, which I thought was a lot better and I thought Richmond were a better club and better equipped to take him to where he wanted to go.

Dustin Martin’s manager explains why he rejected staggering $11m mega deals

Revealed: Why Dusty rejected rivals’ staggering $11m mega deal

www.foxsports.com.au