Society/Culture Why are young males now more right wing then older males?

[Carringbush2010]

Political correctness is only "hardly mentioned" because woke has taken it's place as a more emotive descriptor of the right's great boogie-man.

Post after post is pushing that young men are moving right in rebellion against wokeness... but I really, really, really, just don't get it. Having grown up in the 90s, "political correctness gone mad" was all exactly the same rage. Christmas was getting cancelled. Gays were taking over the world. Environmentalists were a risk to our way of life due to their alarmism.

30 years later... the world isn't that different and all the claims are the same.



So what is different?
- Social Media has replaced traditional media, and created cultural silos or echo chambers greatly reducing the percentage of a person's interactions with a broad base of different opinions... that pushes people naturally to more extreme views and a greater engagement with their politics
- Fascism has lost its taboo... it's inherently labelled as ridiculous or extremist to label Trump type politics as fascist; deemed as "likening it to Nazism". Yet many of the political messaging and ideals behind the movement are objectively fascist. It feels like fascism was long enough ago that we no longer recognise it for what it is, but still write-off the naming of it as ridiculous hyperbole
- The traditional bastions of right wing politics... economic liberalism and religious conservatism... have faded as a foundation. The centre-left parties have adopted more or less equivalent economic positions, and religiousness has declined. That's left the more active rather than conservative aspects of right wing politics i.e. the drive towards fascism and the railing against the "wokeness", "socialists", "environmentalists", etc. as the primary purpose of right-wing parties. And that rebellious and anti-status quo aspect appeals primarily to young men... they're replacing rich old people as the core of that side of politics.


The western world's not that different. A little bit less religious. A little bit older. And a lot more economically unequal. But it plays into all the narratives above to say we're somehow in this topsy-turvy world of wokeness and oppression, and young men need to rebel against it. So not only are they leaning right, they're leaning into a modern fascist right that's very different to anything we've had in many decades.

Couldn't have put it better.

Like I said, the bolded is an example of msm hyperbolising what is probably a reflection of minority thought, at both ends of the spectrum. And by extension is sprouted in social media.

Jan and Joe public are hoodwinked into believing this is widespread sentiment as a result, when Jan and Joe probably don't agree with the 'narrative', but because of the flooding of click bait msm and follow on social media, they think they're in the minority of thinking. When they're probably not.

I don't get the impression from the public, when out in public, that they're hard core tree hugging sjw's or far right 'the world is against me' types when interacting with them. The odd occasion you'll run into fringe mind set nutters, but not often.

The problem is that gullible young males that feel alienated by what they think is the 'narrative' gobble up what's displayed to them. In saying that I don't think this is widespread among young males, a lot of them? Sure, but I think we'd see a lot more 'rebellion' and disassociation from society if it was widespread among the young males.

Not convinced, I think the majority of young people have more progressive views than in any time in history, if we're talking about liberal democratic societies. Young white males included.

Perspective, I grew up in the 70's and 80's when 'irrational political correctness' and 'far right fascism' were rarely if ever discussed. Certainly not like it is now.

 

[Blue1980]

Interesting conversation and some salient points.

But just about every poster to this point has only come from a 'left' or 'right' is the cause. Ok that's a simplistic observation but the foundation is there.

While it is likely that younger white males may feel alienated, and probably are driven right by political correctness which is hardly mentioned as an issue in liberal democracies these days. The narratives feel overblown, only negativity is reported in msm and largely on social media, and paints a picture that doesn't necessarily reflect broader society or even a majority of younger males in liberal democracies.

Does it reflect the lament of younger males? And does it reflect the naivety and gullibility of younger males? Hell yeah, but let's not pretend that it's an all and sundry.

-I consider msm the main culprit, not by design, but by the pursuit of click bait.
-The appeal of bad faith opportunists like tate for example for younger males. They're a 'voice against political correctness' for them i:e the far right.
-The far left who those younger males view as a 'voice against them' (advocating for minority groups and not them for example).

I think it’s a fair bit of the manosphere like Tait, also many/most wouldn’t be very in depth about politics and just think Trump is good for a laugh and it’s kinda edgy to be supporting him against the stuffy establishment.

So yes it’s like he appears to be a change from the way politics is done both here and the rest of the US.

 

[Carringbush2010]

I think it’s a fair bit of the manosphere like Tait, also many/most wouldn’t be very in depth about politics and just think Trump is good for a laugh and it’s kinda edgy to be supporting him against the stuffy establishment.

So yes it’s like he appears to be a change from the way politics is done both here and the rest of the US.

Like I said, it's not only that. This is very nuanced and can't be put down to one factor. There's a myriad of factors.

 

[Grin]

My position is that the right represent the interests of a very small minority, it therefore seeks to identify and target demographics that are insecure, less educated and with real or imagined grievances, but who feel very entitled. It then seeks to to manipulate them into acting against their own interests. The right (lets call them the 0.1%) spend considerable money a resources to coordinate and achieve this. Trump and Musk are great examples. Gina Rineheart is an Australian example.

Take, just as one small example of a targeted demographic vs a non targeted one: the apprentice tradie vs the student nurse (yes I know not all tradies are male and not all nurses are female). The apprentice gets paid, has paid holidays, super etc. the student pays, no super, works weekend and nights, no paid holidays, sick leave etc. Yet it is the apprentice trade who feels entitled and terribly victimised by 'woke'. It was far more likely to be the tradie who, during the pandemic was anti mask etc. The tradie who felt extremely victimised that he may have to make a tiny sacrifice to protect the lives of the vulnerable in our community (massive generalisation). Another example: The wages and entitlements of the child care worker vs similarly qualified male dominated professions.
Yet somehow a significant minority of young men have been tricked into thinking they're horribly and unbearably victimised by 'woke' ideas of equality and human rights, and seem far more likely to be enthusiastic about sacrificing their agency to ideas such as fascism, even though that's obviously against their own interests. They perceive that this would punish those they believe to be their malevolent enemies (the enemy can be basically summed up as those less likely to be conned by the simplistic politics of grievance and entitlement). Thus they have become willing victims of the biggest grift of our generation.
We'll done Elon and Gina et al