Proper socialisation; a concept which most pet owners are not familiar with is extremely important. A lack of it can turn any breed into an agressive or submissive and hence dangerous animal.
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Proper socialisation; a concept which most pet owners are not familiar with is extremely important. A lack of it can turn any breed into an agressive or submissive and hence dangerous animal.
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The American PitBull isnt an affiliated breed in Australia and i doubt the ANKC will ever recognise it as such or allow it to become so.
The thing is i agree with you on dogs like Rotti's and GS and Dobermans etc.
I don't like breeds like that because there is a far greater risk of them attacking people and causing serious injury.
Some smallers breeds also are more likely to attack though due to their size a swift kick in the guts and they can be seen off.
All the above breeds should be by law muzzled when in public, law dictates greyhounds should so then should other breeds who may attack other animals.
Greyhounds (racing ones anyway) are trained to chase things, and therefore need to be muzzles in public. I do think dogs should be, but you as mentioned previously, BSL doesn't work. And we can't assess risk associated with each individual animal. I guess this is why there is still no proper legisltlation in place regarding these matters.
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First bolded bit, large breeds are not more likely of attacking people. doing more damage yes.
Second bolded bit, I don't agree with muzzling, but ALL dogs, big & small should be leashed in public.
If all dog owners, trained their dogs & were responsible, like not leaving kids alone with dogs, there would be very few dog attacks, but hey that's too hard, better to ban breeds & when attacks keep happening, add more breeds to the banned list, until there are no more dogs.
Ridiculous, narrow-minded view. Get rid of a breed all together? Rubbish. Labradors are responsible for more attacks than pitbulls quite often.... should we do the same?
If labradors (per dog) are respnsible for as many serious attacks and maulings, especially of young children, as pitbulls, then my answer is yes.
mecahnics of the dog and the bite, rather than the temprement, IMO. That is why you wouldn;t ban toy poodles as the chances of serious damage even from a psychi attack are slim.
What is it to you if a breed is banned? why so attached to the pit bull?
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Maybe to prove BSL is wrong. Punishing a breed of dog, because of a few idiot owners & the media who fuels it, reporting that said breed was involved in an attack when they weren't.
There is no more gorgeous breed than Pit Bulls, they are loving, smart & devoted, until you own one, you will never know they joy they give you.
I have owned many breeds of dogs, but Pit Bull's are the best.
Responsible pit bull breeders and owners have had decades to sort out this issue by lobbying for control over their breed.
One has to ask why the pit bull is the breed of choice for all these idiot dog owners who spoil it for the rest of them?
One has to ask why the pit bull is the breed of choice for all these idiot dog owners who spoil it for the rest of them?
There is no more gorgeous breed than Pit Bulls, they are loving, smart & devoted, until you own one, you will never know they joy they give you.
I have owned many breeds of dogs, but Pit Bull's are the best.
What crap. All dogs can be gorgeous. You are obsessed with pitbulls - and that kind of obsession is what leads to problems. I'm sure you have lovely dogs, and I'm sure you are responsible, but if I owned a responsible dog in a breed where they become weapons of choice in the wrong hands, then I would have no problems getting a snip, the dog living a happy life, and the breed slowliy becoming extinct. None at all.
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So, that means that any dog over 15kgs should be banned, because they can cause serious injury, think about that for christ's sake, how about the authority's spend the money they are spending on a witch hunt, spend it on educating people on responsible dog ownership.
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You do realise that the idiots that have caused Pit Bulls to have a bad reputation, can't get them anymore, they will move on to another breed, that's the problem, instead of targetting the idiot owners, they are trying to wipe out dogs.
I have an easy solution, when a dog attacks someone, don/t just put the dog down, but jail the owner, I think you will find that will stop idiots getting dogs & making them vicious.
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They are wild, wild dogs who adore violence to the core. It's sad to kill any animal but it's them or little, innocent children. I think every pit bull needs to be put down.
Why you want to drag in all those less dangerous breeds over 15kgs I'm not so sure. I was just going for the most dangerous breeds because I'm a bit of a moderate on the issue and am happy living in a world with some risk from dogs. How much money are they spending on this "witch hunt"?
What would you say if they targetted all dogs over 15kgs Mantis? I have a feeling you would be fine with it because then at least they are not just having a go at kenny and his mates. YOu have to face the facts your dig is a very dangerous animal, most people are idiots, you can't change the latter, so the dog should go.
I have no problems with $$ for the kind of programs you advocate, btw.
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What do we do with the person who is injured or killed?
As I say, no problems with these other ideas of yours, but remain of the belief that there are a number of dog breeds we would be better without, even with education and licencing and breeeding restrictions.
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But that is crap, read up on Pit Bull's history, sure they were bred to fight, but they were also bred to be people friendly, if you watch the video I posted, they were the most popular pet in the 30's, also why they were used in the first & second world wars, because they are devoted to humans, not killing machines that the idiot press has brain washed people into thinking.
You have no idea what you are talking about. Suggesting that innocent animals should be killed because they are of the same breed as others that have been involved in attacks its a pathetic suggestion. These dogs have a right to live. Owners need to be made more responsible, and need to be aware of their responsibilities.
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Yes as you say they were bred to be a people dog.
But they are not animal friendly, and as we live in a society where animals are everywhere they will always be a large risk to attack other animals.
The fact you won't consider muzzling them shows an iresponsible attitude.
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Err, where did I say anything about not muzzling? My dog is muzzled when he goes for walks & he is never off lead when out in public, if they were the only restrictions fine, but I WILL not sit around & have my favourite breed of dog made extinct.
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Err, where did I say anything about not muzzling? My dog is muzzled when he goes for walks & he is never off lead when out in public, if they were the only restrictions fine, but I WILL not sit around & have my favourite breed of dog made extinct.
It's being made extinct in Australia anyway.
How many purebred PitBulls exist these days?
How do you know what's a purebred Pitbull anyway?
The breed will eventually die out in Australia because you can't import new blood and what % of those that are in Australia are true 100% PitBull bloodlines?
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You'd be surprised how many 100% pure APBT's there are in Australia, there are no actual figures, because the breeders have been driven underground. I can assure you, it will be a long time before they are bred out here, because the lovers of this breed will do everything in their power to keep them going.
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So they have ANKC pedigree papers then?
How much do you know about breeding and genetics?
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No of course not, but they keep their own records of breeding.
