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Why is the '74 GF the most 'anonymous' of the last 40 years?
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Up to 1974. Correct.
They had all been North Melbourned until 75. We've got another 35 years or so to match that.
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Correct, North and Essendon played off in 1950. Essendon went back to back.
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Now that's what I call funny
None of the players who North got through the ten year rule played in the 77 Premiership team (or the 76 and 78 runners-up teams, for that matter.)
And North wasn't the only team to get players under the ten year rule. Each of Collingwood, Footscray and Melbourne got a player because of that stupid rule.
Davis, Rantall, Wade... which of these 3 players lined up in the second North Melbourne premiership?
Sorry, looks like Bort beat me. I guess that's kind of poetic in a way due to names and all.
And showing all the signs of giving it a good shake. By the way, North's 50 year drought is not the record. It took the Saints 69 years to win their first. And the Swans had a longer spell between flags iirc.
It was a close thing that Melbourne got Carl Ditterich ahead of North. If he'd gone to Arden St too, the club may have nabbed at least one of those 3 grand finals they lost.
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Don't seem to hear much about the '83 Grand Final, nor the '86, '87, or '88 ones. Pretty sure I've never seen footage of any of them replayed either.
The 1974 Grand Final WAS in colour I might add. I've seen it on one of the footy Marathons a while back.
The one Grand Final that NEVER gets shown in 1976. I suppose because Hawthorn had won a flag previously in 1971, North in '75, so there wasn't any real historical significance and the match itself was an easy 30 point win, in which the winners (Hawthorn) kicked 13.22.
So, really, 1976 is the one that is anonymous. Has anyone ever seen this match appear on any footy marathon???
You know another one that doesn't get shown, surprisingly so is 1981. I guess because Carlton-Collingwood matches generally gets 1970 and 1979, so no one bothers watching 1981. It very rarely pops up on footy marathons. Carlton was behind at three-quarter time, and held Collingwood goalless in the last quarter inching gradually further ahead to win by 20 points.
I reckon 1976 and 1981 tend to get the least airtime.
1986 and 1987 don't get much either. Or 1991.
The one Grand Final that NEVER gets shown in 1976. I suppose because Hawthorn had won a flag previously in 1971, North in '75, so there wasn't any real historical significance and the match itself was an easy 30 point win, in which the winners (Hawthorn) kicked 13.22.
So, really, 1976 is the one that is anonymous. Has anyone ever seen this match appear on any footy marathon???
You know another one that doesn't get shown, surprisingly so is 1981. I guess because Carlton-Collingwood matches generally gets 1970 and 1979, so no one bothers watching 1981. It very rarely pops up on footy marathons. Carlton was behind at three-quarter time, and held Collingwood goalless in the last quarter inching gradually further ahead to win by 20 points.
I reckon 1976 and 1981 tend to get the least airtime.
1986 and 1987 don't get much either. Or 1991.
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LIght years ahead of the ****ing shite we put up with nowadays.
Doug Heywood annoyed me. Constantly called the wrong players.
No Air Time - '99, '91, '88, '86, '85, '83, '82, '81, '78, '76
I'm meh about B&W GFs by default.
I'm meh about B&W GFs by default.
This makes sense. While there wasn't colour TV in 1974, the stations would have using and testing the equipment.
I imagine that those who watched the 1978 marathon saw it. Previous GF between the '78 'combatants' and all that.
The thing about 1979 is that it is the second quarter which is the significant quarter of the match and it hardly gets played. I can understand why the last quarters get played (the joy of the final siren and all that) in marathons but it would be nice if there was some variety. Which is why these days I hardly ever watch the marathons.
Just checked, no they didn't. The 100 came towards the end of the first quarter from a quick snap at close range, so there was no buildup like there would've been with a set shot. Police, who were stationed 15-20m apart around the boundary, immediately got to their feet and faced the crowd. There was one crowd shot, looked like high in the Northern Stand, showing spectators politely applauding.
Another point of interest - this was the last match to feature the centre diamond (replaced in 1975 by the square).
Fair point although I though North also got Alves via the ten year rule. OUt of interest who did Collingwood get - I assume it was wee Georgie Bissett?
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I don't want to sound like I'm knocking North Melbourne, but their premiership wins in 1996 & 1999 were hardly memorable games.
The 1996 Grand Final will probably be remembered more, as it was the Centenery Year with North & the Swans in their first Grand Finals for 18 & 51 years respectively, but the game never reached any great heights. As for 1999 North simply did what was required of it to beat Carlton, which was not disgraced but never really looked a likely winner. I don't think the fact that most neutral fans were expecting a Grand Final between minor premier Essendon and the exciting up & coming Brisbane Lions helped the situation.
Going back some years, the 1962 Grand Final between Essendon & Carlton, even in books about football finals & grand finals hardly rates a mention - just a few lines about how Essendon jumped Carlton in the first quarter, Carlton fought back in the second, with Essendon outplaying Carlton in the second half to win comfortably by 32 points.
In the case of the 1962 Grand Final, I think the fact that it is surrounded by memorable Grand Finals (ie Melbourne kept Collingwood to 2.2-14 in 1960 for a 48 point win; Hawthorn defeated the Bulldogs in 1961 for its first premiership in what turned out to be Footscray's last Grand Final to date; Geelong defeated Hawthorn in 1963 in a game full of superstars and the Cat's last flag for 44 years; and the thrilling 4 point win by Melbourne over Collingwood in 1964) that has caused it to slide into obscurity.
The 1996 Grand Final will probably be remembered more, as it was the Centenery Year with North & the Swans in their first Grand Finals for 18 & 51 years respectively, but the game never reached any great heights. As for 1999 North simply did what was required of it to beat Carlton, which was not disgraced but never really looked a likely winner. I don't think the fact that most neutral fans were expecting a Grand Final between minor premier Essendon and the exciting up & coming Brisbane Lions helped the situation.
Going back some years, the 1962 Grand Final between Essendon & Carlton, even in books about football finals & grand finals hardly rates a mention - just a few lines about how Essendon jumped Carlton in the first quarter, Carlton fought back in the second, with Essendon outplaying Carlton in the second half to win comfortably by 32 points.
In the case of the 1962 Grand Final, I think the fact that it is surrounded by memorable Grand Finals (ie Melbourne kept Collingwood to 2.2-14 in 1960 for a 48 point win; Hawthorn defeated the Bulldogs in 1961 for its first premiership in what turned out to be Footscray's last Grand Final to date; Geelong defeated Hawthorn in 1963 in a game full of superstars and the Cat's last flag for 44 years; and the thrilling 4 point win by Melbourne over Collingwood in 1964) that has caused it to slide into obscurity.
Yep, George Bissett. Footscray got Adrian Gallagher. I imagine they talked to him after losing Bissett.
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Grand Finals are always 'noted' if they are drought-breakers. In that sense 1975, 1990, 2007 will recieve undue airtime. None of them were memorable games themselves.
'91 was a better game than most remember. The Eagles were only 10 points down at 3/4 time only to be blasted in the last. Ditto Sydney v North in '96. This was a tight game for thre quarter with Sydney dominating early...but to look at the final score you would never know.
'99 remains one of the biggest let-down deciders in recent times. The two best teams did not get to meet in the anticipated GF, North got flag on a silver platter, they held Carlton at arms length 6 goals the entire game.
2003 will not get airtime, but should. Considering Collingwood convincingly beat the Lions two weeks previous, the Lions absolutely smashed the Pies, who most people tipped.
2008 will be a memorable GF. the third quarter in particular was one of the more memorable (for good or bad) in VFL/AFL history
'91 was a better game than most remember. The Eagles were only 10 points down at 3/4 time only to be blasted in the last. Ditto Sydney v North in '96. This was a tight game for thre quarter with Sydney dominating early...but to look at the final score you would never know.
'99 remains one of the biggest let-down deciders in recent times. The two best teams did not get to meet in the anticipated GF, North got flag on a silver platter, they held Carlton at arms length 6 goals the entire game.
2003 will not get airtime, but should. Considering Collingwood convincingly beat the Lions two weeks previous, the Lions absolutely smashed the Pies, who most people tipped.
2008 will be a memorable GF. the third quarter in particular was one of the more memorable (for good or bad)
in VFL/AFL history
'76 has alot of significance at Hawthorn thanks to Peter Crimmins
For some reason, Foxtel used to show the 1978 GF alot, which was very similar to '76
Fox Footy used to run it as a flashback between programs but I might be mistaken
1991 is the most forgettable GF thanks partly for being at Waverley Park rather then the MCG it really shouldn't be though, it was the birth of the AFL as a national competition
Even though we won by 80 points, 1994 is pretty unremarkable. Not trying to gloat, but we were simply on another level to Geelong that day (Billy Brownless excluded). Don't think I have any need to ever see that game again - especially when there's a copy of 1992 to watch.
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Well, it's on today on Ch Seven's Footy Flashbacks, so I'll be taping it.
Like I think I said at the start of this thread, I've only seen about 10 mins of it since 1974.
Like I think I said at the start of this thread, I've only seen about 10 mins of it since 1974.
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Gonna be a while.....Back on topic. Dennis Pagan played back pocket in the game, missed out on the 75 GF victory.
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