Why we are where we are at

[aislegi]

didnt norf make some prelims in that time too anyways? flags aint that easy to win mate, you make it sound like its so easy, just get a bunch of top draft picks and boom
no , we won the flags hence our picks are not as good and we need to find another way now to rebuild .

i literally dont even get your logic, so we dont try to win flags then? the club picked the players with the picks they got from winning flags.

and yes your comment about flags papering over cracks is still stupid and funny

The problem with the “We won flags so got crap picks and no good players” argument is that we stuffed up our share of drafts before we won the flags, too, and this is another reason why our list has such a vanilla look to it at the moment - give or take an aging star or two

 

[copthat]

A lot of doomsday commentary getting about.

You only have to look at the Pies and St Kilda to see that a system refresh with a half decent list profile is all it takes to shoot up the ladder. Both teams have big deficiencies but have guys that can run all day basically. Carlton is another good example to show that you can have all the talent but still be an average team. Our list profile is pretty good, have enough guys in their mid 20s to be a good team again if we can get it right.

Because of the AFL's rule changes (namely reduced interchange and stand rule) you can bring in a bunch of marathon runners and have a big preseason and go pretty well.

 

[partycorolla]

Well, let's see how funny it is if we end up like North Melbourne (whose 1996-1999 era, with Wayne Carey, is remarkably similar to our 2017-2020 era, with Dustin Martin, but have now spent the best part of 25 years in the wilderness)

Similar clubs too... poor facilities, massive debt, small membership numbers...oh wait, they aren't similar at all. Dumb statement.

You'd be better comparing us to Adelaide... or just cheering up

 

[jc12]

The problem with the “We won flags so got crap picks and no good players” argument is that we stuffed up our share of drafts before we won the flags, too, and this is another reason why our list has such a vanilla look to it at the moment - give or take an aging star or two

Maybe the Richmond footy club should personally give you an apology for winning 3 flags in 4 years just to paper over the cracks.

You're on your own here mate.

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

If asked the question to every single clubs supporter base

Would you take 5 years on the bottom after winning 3 flags in 4 years

I wonder what the answer might be ?

 

[aislegi]

If asked the question to every single clubs supporter base

Would you take 5 years on the bottom after winning 3 flags in 4 years

I wonder what the answer might be ?

You’re missing the point. No-one’s unhappy about winning flags. But there is a real question about the quality of our recruits when we don’t have the kind of high picks that gave us Cotchin and Martin.

 

[aislegi]

Maybe the Richmond footy club should personally give you an apology for winning 3 flags in 4 years just to paper over the cracks.

You're on your own here mate.

Time will tell. We’ll know, soon enough, whether the flags were the result of recruiting a once-in-a-generation player or whether the club can be up-and-about for an extended period.

 

[aislegi]

Similar clubs too... poor facilities, massive debt, small membership numbers...oh wait, they aren't similar at all. Dumb statement.

You'd be better comparing us to Adelaide... or just cheering up

Unfortunately, the size of our membership hasn’t helped get us into or over the line in a final in 35 of the last 43 years

 

[aislegi]

A lot of doomsday commentary getting about.

You only have to look at the Pies and St Kilda to see that a system refresh with a half decent list profile is all it takes to shoot up the ladder. Both teams have big deficiencies but have guys that can run all day basically. Carlton is another good example to show that you can have all the talent but still be an average team. Our list profile is pretty good, have enough guys in their mid 20s to be a good team again if we can get it right.

Because of the AFL's rule changes (namely reduced interchange and stand rule) you can bring in a bunch of marathon runners and have a big preseason and go pretty well.

It seems to me that the things that led to our success - a peak Dustin Martin and a slew of good assistant coaches - are no more. I agree, it would be great if we could reinvent ourselves but I don’t see it. Hardwick didn’t seem to do anything to stop Tom Papley single-handedly destroying us. Plays sub-AFL quality players like Maurice Rioli, Jnr week-in, week-out. Makes disastrous substitute calls. Scapegoats our most promising forward.

 

[jc12]

Time will tell. We’ll know, soon enough, whether the flags were the result of recruiting a once-in-a-generation player or whether the club can be up-and-about for an extended period.

Mate dont you get it , it doesn't matter , the club should always be trying it's best to recruit well no matter what. And we won 3 flags in 4 years , it can be because of dusty, it can be because of the team, it could be because of covid, it doesn't matter we won the 3 flags. That's the whole point of playing this game. That's why your comment is laughable and completely stupid.

And you seemed to have changed your opinion. First it was you thought we would win the flag back in 15 because of top draft picks and that we drafted well back then and now it's we only won the flag because of dusty ? What's wrong with your mind mate.

 

[Grrr]

A lot of doomsday commentary getting about.

You only have to look at the Pies and St Kilda to see that a system refresh with a half decent list profile is all it takes to shoot up the ladder. Both teams have big deficiencies but have guys that can run all day basically. Carlton is another good example to show that you can have all the talent but still be an average team. Our list profile is pretty good, have enough guys in their mid 20s to be a good team again if we can get it right.

Because of the AFL's rule changes (namely reduced interchange and stand rule) you can bring in a bunch of marathon runners and have a big preseason and go pretty well.

What about Collingwood. There backline has very average players like Quaynor, Noble and Markov, and a forward line who's best tall is Mihochek, an honest battler, Johnson who has some talent but has done nothing really, Bobby Hill who does not much and Elliot who is a good players but has kicked only 5 goals for the year. If it wasn't for their midfield they would be down the bottom of the ladder.

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

You’re missing the point. No-one’s unhappy about winning flags. But there is a real question about the quality of our recruits when we don’t have the kind of high picks that gave us Cotchin and Martin.

Im not missing the point at all but what needs to be accepted is that unlike the Cotchin / Martin picks that were 2 & 3 anything after top 5 pick is 50/50 at best and after pick 10 gets even lower

We are no different to any other clubs with the hits but we have only have had late picks which are speculative
But you are correct and our 1st rounders have been shocking since 2012

All teams that have reached the pinacal and won multiple flags have a low period after their champs retire get old
its how quick you reset and rebuild that matters and 5 years would be a very acceptable time line

I think we only have 7-8 players remaining from the 2017 premiership and 15 are gone retired or at other clubs and another 5-6 were traded out that were on fringes due to our dominance.

Need to bask in the glory and wait

 

[tora tora tora]

It seems to me that the things that led to our success - a peak Dustin Martin and a slew of good assistant coaches - are no more. I agree, it would be great if we could reinvent ourselves but I don’t see it. Hardwick didn’t seem to do anything to stop Tom Papley single-handedly destroying us. Plays sub-AFL quality players like Maurice Rioli, Jnr week-in, week-out. Makes disastrous substitute calls. Scapegoats our most promising forward.

We are playing poorly. Dimma's day to day coaching, and team selections have room for improvement. The art of the Sub still being refined.

Cumberland has been left in the side. One great qtr & disappeared. MRJ was good last year, dropped. Dimma won flags with 3 small fwds and its still in his game plan. This week no Mansell hopefully.

We have hit a cliff with Dusty's form, and Cotch & JR are being played for a last year. Dusty for 2 more years? the price of his peak playing power.

A lot of the clubs drafting aint perfect but we do FAs well and Tarranto & Hopper have been OK. Addressed our deficiency. Since 21 we have not been great. I hope we can still make finals


So much luck involved. I expected nothing from the 2016 season rubbish lead to a review. Balme, Good asst coaches good players in. Peak Cotchin, Martin, Rance, Riewoldt. Lots of good players but as one writer said. RFC 2017. "the worst list to win a flag." I never thought I'd see another but we have 3!
COVID cut our coaches wages. Sorry to lose Blake, Leppa & Fly.
Getting Rutten back I thought would help. But it hasn't

 

[domin8]

We are playing poorly. Dimma's day to day coaching, and team selections have room for improvement. The art of the Sub still being refined.

Cumberland has been left in the side. One great qtr & disappeared. MRJ was good last year, dropped. Dimma won flags with 3 small fwds and its still in his game plan. This week no Mansell hopefully.

We have hit a cliff with Dusty's form, and Cotch & JR are being played for a last year. Dusty for 2 more years? the price of his peak playing power.

A lot of the clubs drafting aint perfect but we do FAs well and Tarranto & Hopper have been OK. Addressed our deficiency. Since 21 we have not been great. I hope we can still make finals


So much luck involved. I expected nothing from the 2016 season rubbish lead to a review. Balme, Good asst coaches good players in. Peak Cotchin, Martin, Rance, Riewoldt. Lots of good players but as one writer said. RFC 2017. "the worst list to win a flag." I never thought I'd see another but we have 3!
COVID cut our coaches wages. Sorry to lose Blake, Leppa & Fly.
Getting Rutten back I thought would help. But it hasn't

The sky is falling

 

[aislegi]

Im not missing the point at all but what needs to be accepted is that unlike the Cotchin / Martin picks that were 2 & 3 anything after top 5 pick is 50/50 at best and after pick 10 gets even lower. We are no different to any other clubs with the hits but we have only have had late picks which are speculative
But you are correct and our 1st rounders have been shocking since 2012. All teams that have reached the pinacal and won multiple flags have a low period after their champs retire get old its how quick you reset and rebuild that matters and 5 years would be a very acceptable time line. I think we only have 7-8 players remaining from the 2017 premiership and 15 are gone retired or at other clubs and another 5-6 were traded out that were on fringes due to our dominance. Need to bask in the glory and wait

I agree - and more than happy to have a pinacal or two while we wait!

 

[aislegi]

Mate dont you get it , it doesn't matter , the club should always be trying it's best to recruit well no matter what. And we won 3 flags in 4 years , it can be because of dusty, it can be because of the team, it could be because of covid, it doesn't matter we won the 3 flags. That's the whole point of playing this game. That's why your comment is laughable and completely stupid.

And you seemed to have changed your opinion. First it was you thought we would win the flag back in 15 because of top draft picks and that we drafted well back then and now it's we only won the flag because of dusty ? What's wrong with your mind mate.

We did draft well c. 2006-2009. We nailed a few key picks, who would form the core of Hardwick's premiership sides. By contrast, our failure to land players c. 2001-2005 probably doomed his predecessor. I'm not sure what's hard to understand about that.

 

[jc12]

We did draft well c. 2006-2009. We nailed a few key picks, who would form the core of Hardwick's premiership sides. By contrast, our failure to land players c. 2001-2005 probably doomed his predecessor. I'm not sure what's hard to understand about that.

You literally said premierships papering over cracks , so it hence why people are finding it hard to understand you .

And then you said in another post we only won flags because of dusty now it's because of good drafting , you're all over the place. Have a rest mate

 

[aislegi]

You literally said premierships papering over cracks , so it hence why people are finding it hard to understand you .

And then you said in another post we only won flags because of dusty now it's because of good drafting , you're all over the place. Have a rest mate

Maybe you need a spell because it’s not hard to understand. Our success was down to Martin and other good recruits, especially from that 2006-2009 period, but I’m worried that a lot of our more recent drafting has been nowhere near the same quality, which nobody much noticed or cared about until the bottom fell out this season.

 

[jc12]

Maybe you need a spell because it’s not hard to understand. Our success was down to Martin and other good recruits, especially from that 2006-2009 period, but I’m worried that a lot of our more recent drafting has been nowhere near the same quality, which nobody much noticed or cared about until the bottom fell out this season.

Huh? You literally said ONLY Martin in another post

1. You said premierships papered over cracks so you're opinion means zero.

2. Drafting and recruiting is important no matter what year it is , premierships papered over no cracks , get a grip.

3. People were worried before this year too, but this is a list where it's stars are aging and it's younger players haven't quite had enough games under their belt yet, hence why we aren't doing so good now. Not that hard to understand.

 

[aislegi]

3. People were worried before this year too, but this is a list where it's stars are aging and it's younger players haven't quite had enough games under their belt yet, hence why we aren't doing so good now. Not that hard to understand.

Hmmm, young players with not enough games under their belt, you say? Could the fact that we’re playing those sorts of players have anything to do with the fact that we haven’t drafted too many gun players in the last 10 years or so?

 

[docko911]

Probably won’t lose more than 1 game before Lynch returns and then we won’t lose another game.

 

[jc12]

Hmmm, young players with not enough games under their belt, you say? Could the fact that we’re playing those sorts of players have anything to do with the fact that we haven’t drafted too many gun players in the last 10 years or so?

Jesus Christ you are a lost cause. Please find some cracks for us so we can use some flags to cover them with einstein

 

[aislegi]

Jesus Christ you are a lost cause. Please find some cracks for us so we can use some flags to cover them with einstein

The cracks are there for all to see in our last four games, don’t worry about that

 

[jc12]

The cracks are there for all to see in our last four games, don’t worry about that

And you'll be crying when flags are there to cover over it, those darn flags if we hadn't of won them then our cracks would be rightly exposed and then we can fix it properly so that we can win.... Flags oh

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

There are 18 teams in the league and atleast 15/16 have crack and the only difference between us and these clubs is

We have Banked 3 premierships