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Will Essendon FC now be punished by AFL

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frenchfri12 said:
So what do you propose they do?
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A good old fashioned stoning.
We can tie them up in federation square, people can buy rocks from the Salvation Army for $5 a pop, pointy ones a bit more.
The best thing is we can recycle the rocks , they can be used time and time again and the salvos make a quid for the homeless.
Win win!
 

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Slartibartfast said:
A good old fashioned stoning.
We can tie them up in federation square, people can buy rocks from the Salvation Army for $5 a pop, pointy ones a bit more.
The best thing is we can recycle the rocks , they can be used time and time again and the salvos make a quid for the homeless.
Win win!
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Or we could so something useful like arrest the homeless.
 
i believe this might be the word/concept you seem yo be struggling with right now op..
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    synonyms: powerless, ineffective, ineffectual, inadequate, weak, useless, worthless, vain, futile, unavailing, unsuccessful, profitless, fruitless; More
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    :thumbsu:
 
Lance Uppercut said:
So, frankly, anyone who thinks EFC should be punished twice simply because the AFL decided they simply had to level their punishment in advance of the actual conclusion of the investigation has had a literally stupid idea, and I mean that. It is a stupid conclusion to draw.
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Remains one of the best examples of dumbarsery.

If you genuinely believe Essendon should be punished further because they are yet to be punished for 'drugs' issues - you're an imbecile.
 
JackFlash said:
Patick Smith wrote this in The Australian March 9th this year: Maria Sharapova V Essendon.


Two years later Cronulla Sharks won the premiership! The same year Essendon got the "Spoon"
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best quote out of this whole article:

I'll tell you who should be the target of world tennis... Nick "Arsewipe" Kyrgios, who should be banned from every ATP tournament for the next two years just for being an arseh*le!
 
jenny61_99 said:
best quote out of this whole article:

I'll tell you who should be the target of world tennis... Nick "Arsewipe" Kyrgios, who should be banned from every ATP tournament for the next two years just for being an arseh*le!
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I agree, 8 weeks is nothing for Kyrgios, he''l be back in time for the Aussie Open, he should get two years for deliberately losing a professional sports match. In Cricket they call that "match fixing". As for Essendon? They should've taken the Cronulla deal, the result, Cronulla Premiers in the same year the Bombers get the "Spoon". The difference of course between Sharapova and Essendon is the team philosophies versus the individual, Sharapova was open and honest with her disclosure, she only had herself to blame or lie too, so she came clean. This has resulted in a reduction to 15 months. In the case of Essendon they could've got away with just a few weeks, not one player seriously questioned off premises injections, they all went along like lambs and toed the company line, nobody wanted to rock the "team" boat and be ostracized for not being a team player! The result was a wooden spoon and major re-build of the team and brand. It's done with now and they have been punished enough, move forward and i wish their returning players luck. Kyrgios receives no best wishes from me.
 

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JackFlash said:
I agree, 8 weeks is nothing for Kyrgios, he''l be back in time for the Aussie Open, he should get two years for deliberately losing a professional sports match. In Cricket they call that "match fixing". As for Essendon? They should've taken the Cronulla deal, the result, Cronulla Premiers in the same year the Bombers get the "Spoon". The difference of course between Sharapova and Essendon is the team philosophies versus the individual, Sharapova was open and honest with her disclosure, she only had herself to blame or lie too, so she came clean. This has resulted in a reduction to 15 months. In the case of Essendon they could've got away with just a few weeks, not one player seriously questioned off premises injections, they all went along like lambs and toed the company line, nobody wanted to rock the "team" boat and be ostracized for not being a team player! The result was a wooden spoon and major re-build of the team and brand. It's done with now and they have been punished enough, move forward and i wish their returning players luck. Kyrgios receives no best wishes from me.
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Not one positive test or even evidence that the alleged drug TB4 was in the country ! It's ok to be wrong but at least do some research. Perhaps you may want to also look at what was taken at your club whilst Robinson and Dank were there and you were winning premierships ! The whole AFL approach to the saga was to protect their own clubs GCS and premiership teams Hawthorn, Geelong and Collingwood. There is more actual evidence of wrong doing a each of those clubs than there is at Essendon
 
jodo27 said:
evidence that the alleged drug TB4 was in the country
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Plenty of evidence that it was in the country - a signed statement by a compounding chemist that she compounded TB4, and molecular testing that a expert said was 99% sure was TB4, and the players expert agreed. Both the compounding and molecular testing occurred in Melbourne, which I do believe is in Australia...

Once this was established there was no need to CAS to trace the origins of the TB4 as only the players case was being heard at CAS.
 
jodo27 said:
Not one positive test or even evidence that the alleged drug TB4 was in the country ! It's ok to be wrong but at least do some research. Perhaps you may want to also look at what was taken at your club whilst Robinson and Dank were there and you were winning premierships ! The whole AFL approach to the saga was to protect their own clubs GCS and premiership teams Hawthorn, Geelong and Collingwood. There is more actual evidence of wrong doing a each of those clubs than there is at Essendon
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Here we go, defending the indefensible, don't be so bloody naive. Dank was NEVER at Geelong ( do your own bloody research! ) Honestly and truly, sometimes you just have to wonder how gullible football supporters are?
1) ASADA chief executive Ben McDevitt slammed the players for failing to know better and for being “complicit in a culture of secrecy and concealment”. (Why the secrecy?)

2) “Unfortunately, despite their education, they agreed to be injected with a number of substances they had little knowledge of, made no enquiries about the substance and kept the injections from their team doctor and ASADA. (When you go visit a Doctor, don't you ask questions about what is prescribed to you?)

3)“Of 30 ASADA testing missions during the period in question, none of the 18 players tested declared the injections, despite being asked each time whether they had taken any supplements. (NONE! What are they mute?)

4)“The players had received anti-doping education through the AFL and ASADA, and were well aware that they are personally responsible for all substances that entered their body. (Nobody wanted to rock the boat, they could've been told to go jump off a cliff and they all would've done just that)..

5) At best, the players did not ask the questions, or the people, they should have. At worst, they were complicit in a culture of secrecy and concealment.”

This is why they copped the ban, living in denial, refusing to co-operate, acknowledge wrong doing and pleading ignorance. It fell flat. It was up to the players to question and find out exactly what it was they were being administered with? They are dead set lucky they are playing again and Essendon got off lightly IMO. They should've taken the deal when they had the chance. (Cronulla 1 Essendon 0)

It's over now and i wish them luck in 2017.
 
jodo27 said:
Not one positive test or even evidence that the alleged drug TB4 was in the country ! It's ok to be wrong but at least do some research. Perhaps you may want to also look at what was taken at your club whilst Robinson and Dank were there and you were winning premierships ! The whole AFL approach to the saga was to protect their own clubs GCS and premiership teams Hawthorn, Geelong and Collingwood. There is more actual evidence of wrong doing a each of those clubs than there is at Essendon
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It's ok to be wrong mate
 
hawks realist said:
It's ok to be wrong mate
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I'm still laughing at the comment that there is more evidence of wrong doing at GWS, Hawthorn, Geelong and Collingwood than there is with Essendon. This is the kind of crap that James Hird was trotting out 4 years ago. Oh, yes, he knew all about what was going on at other clubs, but when questioned about his OWN club, the club he actually coached at the time, suddenly he didn't know what their practices were. Amazing really. It is mind boggling how many Essendon people are still prepared to believe Hird's garbage.
 
Adelaide Hawk said:
I'm still laughing at the comment that there is more evidence of wrong doing at GWS, Hawthorn, Geelong and Collingwood than there is with Essendon. This is the kind of crap that James Hird was trotting out 4 years ago. Oh, yes, he knew all about what was going on at other clubs, but when questioned about his OWN club, the club he actually coached at the time, suddenly he didn't know what their practices were. Amazing really. It is mind boggling how many Essendon people are still prepared to believe Hird's garbage.
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How many Essendon people is that?

I find it mind boggling how many people assume many Essendon people believe that.
 
I mentioned in the should Jobe keep his Brownlow thread that if people believe the Brownlow is tainted, then by default the wins record by Ess should also be removed.

You can't have one without the other. If 34 players have been found guilty, then surely the win loss record for Ess should be changed. These wins were tainted as was the Brownlow.

I don't believe there needs to be any further fines etc, but wins record should be removed and awarded to teams that lost to Ess. This is no different to taking away Jobe's Brownlow. In a way it's been unfair on Jobe to cope all the attention, when Essendon as a club, should really be under the most intense scrutiny. Removing Ess from the finals was a pressured and quick compromise at the time.

In my opinion, removing wins record is of greater significance and sense of reality than the debate on the Brownlow.
 
How much more punishment do people want? They've been hit enough, the only other thing is to take away Watson's Brownlow and that should be it.

Time to move on
 
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