Will the Tim Kelly trade go down as one of the worst ever ?

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Has No Rules said:
nothing surer than the Eagles notching up their next flag before freo trouble the scorers
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ha ha. Would not surprise.
2031 will arrive before you know it.
Fremantle have to keep building because Fyfe not much time left for him to see a flag before he retires.
 

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kranky al said:
Funny enough shazza gets a pass from me as one of the very few to have a good crack in the 2015 gf.

He went nuts trying to lift the team off his own back.

And a guy who plays his best game in a gf is not to be scorned.
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He had his moments at West coast. He looked like a good player at Collingwood.

He just looked like a solid rotation player to me who's value was enhanced due to being a Premiership player
 
kranky al said:
With the big difference being that we have rebuilt twice after premierships and won another each time… in that period you just mentioned…. Where other clubs have stagnated at the bottom we have a history of getting superstar premiership players out of late / rookie picks (dean cox, jeremy mcgovern,) taking our once every decade slide and grabbing a star and pushing back up for another tilt.

Yet another unintended bender comedy moment.


So much of your input to this forum is just a big long hanging drool dribbling out the mouth of a stupefied certified inmate.
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You won those 2006 and 2018 flags narrowly too.

2006: Barry Hall was held goalless. Quentin Lynch kicked 3 goals.

And let's not forget the Daniel chick smother which set up an important goal too.

2018: watched that last quarter a few times. Several Eagles sprayed their shots from easier shots. The. Dom Sheed kicks a goal in a tight angle to give the Eagles the lead.

Eagles won 11.13.79 to magpies 11.8.74. west coast could of and should of won by 3-5 goals
 
bzparkes said:
You can literally taste the desperation from the Freo supporters in this thread.
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Not really. I don't have anything personal against you bzparkes or any Eagles fans .

I just seen your team's list. Hurn, Kennedy and Shuey have been servants to west coast for many years and will be gone. You can't replace that amount of quality and games experience overnight.

Freo dropped off a cliff in 2016 and went 0-10 and fought a long road back to rebuild.

Hawks made grand finals from 2012-15. They got those flags on 2013, 14 and 15. Made finals in 2018 and have struggled from 2020 onwards.

North made finals in 2014-6 with an old squad. Look at North now?

Eagles had their finals run. From 2015-20. Look at the Eagles now. Can they make finals next season? Unlikely.

Nothing personal against West coast. But ageing squads eventually end and drop
 
Wellingham was never that good. He was a decent player in a very good team and we overpaid a bit, but he wasn't even a top 10 BF player and polled 7 Brownlow votes in 92 games with the Pies. Kelly was AA and polled 37 votes in 48 games. Headland polled 16 votes and had a career year in 2002 averaging 19 touches, 7 marks, 5 inside 50s a game while kicking 34 goals. He never replicated those sort of numbers again.
 
Freomaniac said:
Not really. I don't have anything personal against you bzparkes or any Eagles fans .

I just seen your team's list. Hurn, Kennedy and Shuey have been servants to west coast for many years and will be gone. You can't replace that amount of quality and games experience overnight.

Freo dropped off a cliff in 2016 and went 0-10 and fought a long road back to rebuild.

Hawks made grand finals from 2012-15. They got those flags on 2013, 14 and 15. Made finals in 2018 and have struggled from 2020 onwards.

North made finals in 2014-6 with an old squad. Look at North now?

Eagles had their finals run. From 2015-20. Look at the Eagles now. Can they make finals next season? Unlikely.

Nothing personal against West coast. But ageing squads eventually end and drop
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Change the record m8. We get it, you don't think we are any good.

WC aren't Hawthorn or North or any other club.

Hawthorn after 2016 decided to top up or retool or whatever you want to call it. Added Mitchell, O'Meara, Vickery, Henderson, Impey, Scully, Wingard, Patton, Frost, Phillips, Hartigan... net result, one finals appearance in 2018 for a straight sets exit. They have some good young players coming through now, but they are 4-10 after going 11-11, 5-12, 7-2-13 the last 3 seasons and now have Wingard, O'Meara, Mitchell etc. entering their late prime.

North after 2016 the less said the better. Turfed club legends, kept playing Waite and Higgins, recruited Polec... now playing the 'we started rebuilding 3 years ago' game.

We played finals 02-07, 11-12 and 15-20 and haven't since. Other than recruiting (and overpaying for) Kelly we've done nothing we wouldn't normally do. We've been unlucky that Venables had to retire and it's on us that Brander was a bust. Who cares about Hurn, Kennedy and Shuey? We are 2-12, those guys are already having little impact. We'll keep being shit for a while and eventually we won't be shit again. Life goes on.

A dead cat bounce in 2023 isn't totally ridiculous. A full strength WC side isn't as bad as people think. Last weekend's team + Naitanui, Sheed, Allen, McGovern, minus Kennedy, Hurn, Shuey, Rotham isn't a complete easy beat, at least not in 2023.
 
Scotland said:
. A full strength WC side isn't as bad as people think. Last weekend's team + Naitanui, Sheed, Allen, McGovern, minus Kennedy, Hurn, Shuey, Rotham isn't a complete easy beat
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Correct, which why it crazy the team totally dropped their bundle this season to not only be out of contention but such a bad percentage to be way below 60%.
North at least have reason to be bad with so much youth they trying to get games into at same time.
Eagles missed some important players early to co-vid, had some injuries , but this bad, is incredible. They were meant to be still contending for a flag.

I think this is where Freomaniac is not far off reality because this pushes forward end of era quicker.
Allen looks very promising but no other youth really makes me think the future looks bright.
There is no Judd or Kennedy stars showing up in current bunch so you might be in wilderness for some time to come.
If I am a Freo supporter I would not be going too hard as they mostly been existing in wilderness in their clubs history.
But as observer from afar it fun to see the tit for tat between you.
 
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Freomaniac said:
You won those 2006 and 2018 flags narrowly too.

2006: Barry Hall was held goalless. Quentin Lynch kicked 3 goals.

And let's not forget the Daniel chick smother which set up an important goal too.

2018: watched that last quarter a few times. Several Eagles sprayed their shots from easier shots. The. Dom Sheed kicks a goal in a tight angle to give the Eagles the lead.

Eagles won 11.13.79 to magpies 11.8.74. west coast could of and should of won by 3-5 goals
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And we could have won the 2005 flag just as easily as we could have lost 2006.

But we didnt - we won what we did.
 
Weird thread.

Look - Freo look good and should confidently be a finals team for the next 5+ years. There's no need to be talking about them in this thread.

WCE are a real worry. They have no real talented youth coming through, and their best players are clearly in their final years and a long way past their best.

I would say they seem like NM a couple of years ago - had some reasonable success but facing the wall.

It's MUCH harder to rebuild in a time with softcaps, without priority picks, and with 17 other sides. I'd be very concerned, even about a historically strong side like West Coast.
 

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Mego Red said:
Weird thread.

Look - Freo look good and should confidently be a finals team for the next 5+ years. There's no need to be talking about them in this thread.

WCE are a real worry. They have no real talented youth coming through, and their best players are clearly in their final years and a long way past their best.

I would say they seem like NM a couple of years ago - had some reasonable success but facing the wall.

It's MUCH harder to rebuild in a time with softcaps, without priority picks, and with 17 other sides. I'd be very concerned, even about a historically strong side like West Coast.
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I can’t see a time when WC are down for too long. They will have times of rebuilding, but their home ground advantage is massive. It’s hard for any east coast team to travel to Perth. That’s not to say it’s hard for Perth teams to travel, but it’s such a constant, they just do it better. But their players seem to have lower career games as a result.

I honestly think their rebuilds are boosted by the home ground advantage. They are able to get wins at home earlier than equivalent-ish east coast teams can. The confidence gained then turbocharges’ the process.

Pagan said football is 90% above the shoulder, and I think West Coast embodies this sentiment.

None of this is meant as a slight on WCE either, they are clearly a well run club. Kelly might not be a great deal ATM, but perhaps it ends differently too. A lot can happen quickly in footy
 
kranky al said:
And we could have won the 2005 flag just as easily as we could have lost 2006.

But we didnt - we won what we did.
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And that is also true. Swans won that grand final 8.10.58 to 7.12.54. Eagles on a good day could of kicked 12.7.79 or 13.6.84 had they kicked straight

Hall was a minor difference maker with 2 or 3 goals.

As I said, Eagles won the 2006 flag by a point partially due to Darren Glass holding Barry Hall goalless.
 
Scotland said:
Change the record m8. We get it, you don't think we are any good.

WC aren't Hawthorn or North or any other club.

Hawthorn after 2016 decided to top up or retool or whatever you want to call it. Added Mitchell, O'Meara, Vickery, Henderson, Impey, Scully, Wingard, Patton, Frost, Phillips, Hartigan... net result, one finals appearance in 2018 for a straight sets exit. They have some good young players coming through now, but they are 4-10 after going 11-11, 5-12, 7-2-13 the last 3 seasons and now have Wingard, O'Meara, Mitchell etc. entering their late prime.

North after 2016 the less said the better. Turfed club legends, kept playing Waite and Higgins, recruited Polec... now playing the 'we started rebuilding 3 years ago' game.

We played finals 02-07, 11-12 and 15-20 and haven't since. Other than recruiting (and overpaying for) Kelly we've done nothing we wouldn't normally do. We've been unlucky that Venables had to retire and it's on us that Brander was a bust. Who cares about Hurn, Kennedy and Shuey? We are 2-12, those guys are already having little impact. We'll keep being s**t for a while and eventually we won't be s**t again. Life goes on.

A dead cat bounce in 2023 isn't totally ridiculous. A full strength WC side isn't as bad as people think. Last weekend's team + Naitanui, Sheed, Allen, McGovern, minus Kennedy, Hurn, Shuey, Rotham isn't a complete easy beat, at least not in 2023.
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I'm not changing my record, I am honest and realistic.



Good that your don't care about Hurn, Shuey and Kennedy. All 3 are done and need to be replaced by younger guys.


I won't be surprised if Eagles make finals next season. But it seems unlikely.

Eagles can talk about injuries all they want. I can say about 2016 when Freo went 0-10.

Keys what's your thoughts on the Eagles rebuild?
 
footyfan1978 said:
Correct, which why it crazy the team totally dropped their bundle this season to not only be out of contention but such a bad percentage to be way below 60%.
North at least have reason to be bad with so much youth they trying to get games into at same time.
Eagles missed some important players early to co-vid, had some injuries , but this bad, is incredible. They were meant to be still contending for a flag.

I think this is where Freomaniac is not far off reality because this pushes forward end or era quicker.
Allen looks very promising but no other youth really makes me think the future looks bright.
There is no Judd or Kennedy stars showing up in current bunch so you might be in wilderness for some time to come.
If I am a Freo supporter I would not be going too hard as they mostly been existing in wilderness in their clubs history.
But as observer from afar it fun to see the tit for tat between you.
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Well I am not personally attacking west coast fans on here. I am saying what I think about west coasts list.

Ageing squads tend to drop badly.

Your a Carlton fan. You saw Carlton's rebuild from 2002-07 when legends like Craig Bradley, David McKay , Brett ratten an Ang Christou retired.

But yeah.... I know exactly what Eagles situation is like. Freo went through this between 2016-2021 and finally Freo look like a team that might play finals.

That period for Freo from 2016-8 was dire. But over that 3 year period, many guys from that 2012-15 finals era retired or left.
 
Freomaniac said:
Well I am not personally attacking west coast fans on here. I am saying what I think about west coasts list.

Ageing squads tend to drop badly.

Your a Carlton fan. You saw Carlton's rebuild from 2002-07 when legends like Craig Bradley, David McKay , Brett ratten an Ang Christou retired.

But yeah.... I know exactly what Eagles situation is like. Freo went through this between 2016-2021 and finally Freo look like a team that might play finals.

That period for Freo from 2016-8 was dire. But over that 3 year period, many guys from that 2012-15 finals era retired or left.
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We went through it in 2008. Turned over our list

Back competing in 2011 - 4th and a prelim, gf appearance in 15

Win in 18


We got this - not our first, second or third rodeo
 
Freomaniac said:
Well I was born In 1987 so no sadly I never saw David swan McKay play.

Definately seen Andrew McKay play though
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I barely saw Swan McKay too. He was a veteran in last few years when I was a little kid. He could play centre half back, key forward or assist in ruck.
But old footage of him taking hangars in famous black and white 1970 grand final make him seem like he was the Kouta of that generation of Carlton fans for the early 70's. Both same number jumper and locker too. Think he kicked the sealer in 1981 grand final to sink the Pies. Nice way to go out into retirement to be part of team to sink Pies in three grand finals in his career. Had another premiership in 1972 over Tigers.
Next few years I remember he was on the ABC footy show. Had a sharp mind for footy and politics.
 
kranky al said:
We went through it in 2008. Turned over our list

Back competing in 2011 - 4th and a prelim, gf appearance in 15

Win in 18


We got this - not our first, second or third rodeo
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Fair enough.

I respect your opinion though. You are one of the more better and respectable Eagles posters on here.

Again... Not trying to be a hater. But you know as well as I do your team needs to draft some exciting kids
 
Freomaniac said:
And that is also true. Swans won that grand final 8.10.58 to 7.12.54. Eagles on a good day could of kicked 12.7.79 or 13.6.84 had they kicked straight

Hall was a minor difference maker with 2 or 3 goals.

As I said, Eagles won the 2006 flag by a point partially due to Darren Glass holding Barry Hall goalless.
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while dealing with what ifs Hall could/should have been suspended for thumping macguire in the guts but....AFL badly wanted sydney to win.
 

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