Youngsters - PROBLEM

[Unique]

I wouldn't think getting smashed week in week out is a good thing for our youngsters like Dowler, Thorp, Kennedy etc whilst playing down at Box Hill.

They need to build up their confidence in the VFL and I can't see this happening if they lose the majority of their games.

The VFL is where they show they are ready for senior AFL footy but honestly when you are getting beating that isn't a good enviroment to do so.

Some players might question their role on Hawthorn's list and because things aren't going too well at BH they might start to question their AFL career in general.

The players who have been on our list for a while like Dowler must be thinking is all this hard work paying off because I'm not getting a sniff?

In my eyes this is a big problem.

Thoughts?

 

[Mervyn Beasley]

After reading the first line I seriously thought you were suggesting these boys were living the life of Carey and getting smashed every week!!
But I see u mean getting defeated convincingly every week.
Makes it hard for the big fwds in particular to show their wares you would think.
The turnover of VFL players seems extraordinarily high. Must be hard to really build a team.

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

I wouldn't think getting smashed week in week out is a good thing for our youngsters like Dowler, Thorp, Kennedy etc whilst playing down at Box Hill.

They need to build up their confidence in the VFL and I can't see this happening if they lose the majority of their games.

The VFL is where they show they are ready for senior AFL footy but honestly when you are getting beating that isn't a good enviroment to do so.

Some players might question their role on Hawthorn's list and because things aren't going too well at BH they might start to question their AFL career in general.

The players who have been on our list for a while like Dowler must be thinking is all this hard work paying off because I'm not getting a sniff?

In my eyes this is a big problem.

Thoughts?

From what I read Kennedy dominated last week even though we got smashed. Can understand a full forward being starved of supply, but even when you get beaten a CHF usually has enough opportunities to make an impression.

Then again, maybe we were smashed because Renouf, Dawson, Thorpe, Dowler, Moss, etc didn't perform?

 

[bigmick]

From what I read Kennedy dominated last week even though we got smashed. Can understand a full forward being starved of supply, but even when you get beaten a CHF usually has enough opportunities to make an impression.

Then again, maybe we were smashed because Renouf, Dawson, Thorpe, Dowler, Moss, etc didn't perform?

hmmmm so 4... 6'4+ players struggled in a wet windy game at Ballarat where the midfield got smashed by the top of the table side..... gees i wonder why??? you could replace dwayne Russell with insight like that!

 

[Dr.J]

If all the folks who posted opinions on Boxhill and it's players went to the games we'd have crowds of 10,000

Seriously - New coach - New players and Rnd 1 in the coldest spot on earth.

They may end up down the bottom again but I think I'll reserve my judgement for a few more weeks.

It would appear that last years floggings hasn't done Tucky and Murphy as much harm as Thorp and Dowler.
Good players will still show something even in the worst teams.

That said get down to City Oval and get behind the boys.

 

[Binxy]

hmmmm so 4... 6'4+ players struggled in a wet windy game at Ballarat where the midfield got smashed by the top of the table side..... gees i wonder why??? you could replace dwayne Russell with insight like that!

Do you have any thoughts on the original post or is this just a sledge?

 

[bigmick]

Do you have any thoughts on the original post or is this just a sledge?

bita both actually.... i have posted in the Mitch Thorp not getting a game thread that i think that until Hawthorn spend some real money on big senior VFL onballers our young keys are going to struggle develop.... the club needs to urgently drop an extra 50-60k at recruiting for Box hill... like Geelong did, or it will lead to us losing players.

 

[thatswhatimtalkinabout]

Most simplistic thing I have ever heard to draw the correlation between players needing good teams to assist their development. Good players will stand out in bad teams wherever they play.

If anything the opposite is true because players look very good when they are being spoonfed. It is the player that has to make something out of nothing who is more likely to make the next step up.

 

[bigmick]

Most simplistic thing I have ever heard to draw the correlation between players needing good teams to assist their development. Good players will stand out in bad teams wherever they play.

If anything the opposite is true because players look very good when they are being spoonfed. It is the player that has to make something out of nothing who is more likely to make the next step up.

maybe.... if the ball actually gets in the half of the ground where that player is.

 

[Hawker_Boy]

After reading the first line I seriously thought you were suggesting these boys were living the life of Carey and getting smashed every week!!

LOL i go to CAREY year 11 and id just like to say we have a very decent team this year, we were a bottom age team last year and should rape this season
btw lilse=god

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

hmmmm so 4... 6'4+ players struggled in a wet windy game at Ballarat where the midfield got smashed by the top of the table side..... gees i wonder why??? you could replace dwayne Russell with insight like that!

You've already been eprimanded for being a fool, so I won't further rub that in. Thanks Binxy.

However, Ballarat kicked 19.12, which is hardly the score you'd expect in conditions so poor that KPPs would struggle.

In addiiton, as pointed out by thatswhatimtalkinabout, good players can still stand out, even when their team is being beaten. The reality of football is that a lot of the time you are competing one-on-one, unless you're a stoppage player, see Brereton in the 85 GF.

Finally, many of our best in the game were midfielders, so they must have got some of the pill and pumped it forward at least to a place were a CHF could compete.

Is there light at the end of the tunnel of this bigdick?

 

[markr]

It would appear that last years floggings hasn't done Tucky and Murphy as much harm as Thorp and Dowler.
Good players will still show something even in the worst teams.

A midfielder and a defender will see more than enough of the pill in a flogging. While the two tall forwards won't see it, or will have scrappy delivery. This is hardly surprising.

 

[Dr.J]

A midfielder and a defender will see more than enough of the pill in a flogging. While the two tall forwards won't see it, or will have scrappy delivery. This is hardly surprising.

Granted - But Mark my comments were based on the entire 07 Boxhill season.
I'm not talking about who played better or who had more opportunities.

I'm saying that some players made the most of the situation and others didn't for whatever reason

When you go to a Boxhill game (with a view to looking at the young Hawthorn listed players ) you need to discount several factors.

The speed of the game
The quality of delivery / skills
The quality of the opposition
The condition of the ground.

I don't for a moment try to compare mids with fwds or backs.
I look at what there role is and how they go about it.
Their repeat efforts
Their football smarts ie reading the play / decision making.
Their ability to run the game out
Their skills, courage and commitment.
Their ability to compete.

Even if a player only sees the ball once in a game he has the opportunity to display these things.

To me it's a cop out to say player X doesn't play well at Boxhill because it's a poor team.

Make no mistake I've had some lousy days down at City Oval and I'd love them to be on top but that's the system we have to work with.
Yes they could be improved with more senior VFL players but then the Hawk guys may end up playing in the two's (as happens with some of the rookies) and the same people would be screaming.

OK you may not be able to dominate but at the very least you need to be displaying the "right stuff" on a regular basis.

Some do it most games - Some do it some games - Some do it occasionally

 

[Realist]

I too have this fear. However, on the weekend there were 10 listed players not playing for one reason or another:
Crawford
Lewis
Croad
McGlynn
Williams
McEntee
Clarke
Jacobs
Muston
Morton

This means that Box Hill are 10 senior players down before the game starts. To win at any level with this many omissions would be a miracle.

However, I feel there is a problem with Box Hill. Because of their lack of genuine Box Hill supporters they are almost totall reliant on Hawthorn for financial support. There is no way they could be a "stand alone" VFL club. This means they will always have trouble attracting enough good senior VFL standard players to the side to compete with the likes of Port Melbourne, Nth Ballarat etc. On the plus side though, Hawthorn are completely able to dictate where they want their players played.

 

[mighty_fighting]

LOL i go to CAREY year 11 and id just like to say we have a very decent team this year, we were a bottom age team last year and should rape this season
btw lilse=god

Hmmm CAREY?? I think the reference was in relation to WAYNE CAREY..........not the school!

 

[alfonzo]

I too have this fear. However, on the weekend there were 10 listed players not playing for one reason or another:
Crawford
Lewis
Croad
McGlynn
Williams
McEntee
Clarke
Jacobs
Muston
Morton

This means that Box Hill are 10 senior players down before the game starts. To win at any level with this many omissions would be a miracle.

Good call. You put all those blokes back on the park and surely the Box Hill side would be rocking?

 

[Easy Slips Catch]

BHH is being adversely affected by our good list management. Previously we had three or four senior players who were just NQR for AFL but would kill at VFL. Ries, Greene and Ball spring to mind.

Now most of BHH players are developing youth. Last year Murph and Tucky had key roles at BHH. This year we reap the reward. Kennedy, Renouf, Moss and Whitecross will get serious game time on the ball.

It will not kill Dowler or Thorpe to play down back and get near the play.

 

[HalladHawks]

Dowler and Thorpe if they both want to make AFL i think that at least 1 of them should be a backmen anyway, so it could be good for the hawks.