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We really missed his 4 touches, no goals and no score involements.
Don't forget the much missed time he pulls his defender with him to spoil Cameron or Hawkins in a 1 on 1 contest.
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We really missed his 4 touches, no goals and no score involements.
We really missed his 4 touches, no goals and no score involements.
Nah man, I just think that's unfair. I like a lot of your posts, and sure highlight his faults, or pump up his replacement, or comment on the team structure with and without him. But to put our improvement in the space of a game and a half down to the absence of a player on our own team who is injured?Can't help noticing the massive (and instant improvement) the minute he left the field against Collingwood, and last night.
It’s not on one man, but having 22 players contributing is better than 21, and one bloke out there doing next to nothing.Nah man, I just think that's unfair. I like a lot of your posts, and sure highlight his faults, or pump up his replacement, or comment on the team structure with and without him. But to put our improvement in the space of a game and a half down to the absence of a player on our own team who is injured?
Nah man, I just think that's unfair. I like a lot of your posts, and sure highlight his faults, or pump up his replacement, or comment on the team structure with and without him. But to put our improvement in the space of a game and a half down to the absence of a player on our own team who is injured?
I don't quite understand your response here. What I said was it's fair to comment on structural changes etc that may have been made in his absence, but not to suggest that him suffering an injury essentially makes us a better team. The points you make show that we adapted well to his absence and that Blicavs had a great game. Stanley probably shouldered more of the load too around the ground. I mean, it's a bit of a joke when a player continues to get bagged in here when he didn't even make it onto the field this weekend. Scott has often praised him. Dangerfield, I noticed, spoke very highly of him post match and how much they missed his presence out there. I'll listen to those people when they describe his value to the side before I go trying to make sense of abstract numbers.Is it not fair though to suggest that over the last 5 quarters of football, we haven't really missed Ratugolea, instead we've adapted to his absence and that the forced changes in terms of personnel & structure have worked well in our favour
Look at a key structural change we made in the absence of Ratugolea
- Blicavs moved from FB to play a well accustomed role as key utility & ruck support
- Blicavs stats for last night are 22 disposals (9 kicks & 13 handballs), 7 marks, 8 tackles, 20 hitouts, 5 clearances (equal team high), 3 inside 50s, 2 behinds & a goal assist
- surely it's fair to say he makes for a pretty solid to good ruck support option
To put Blicavs stats into some perspective, here's Ratugoleas stats for the season to date:
- 19 disposals (11 kicks & 8 handballs), 6 marks, 7 tackles, 13 hitouts, 2 clearances & 3 inside 50s
- He's yet to register a score or goal assist this season
Surely it's pretty damning that Blicavs did more last night than Ratugolea had done this season
I don't know anyone who wants Ratugolea or any of our players to fail, but we've seen how quickly & easily and adapted to his absence, and that maybe now is the right time for him to have an extended run in the VFL to find form & confidence in his game
I don't quite understand your response here. What I said was it's fair to comment on structural changes etc that may have been made in his absence, but not to suggest that him suffering an injury essentially makes us a better team. The points you make show that we adapted well to his absence and that Blicavs had a great game. Stanley probably shouldered more of the load too around the ground. I mean, it's a bit of a joke when a player continues to get bagged in here when he didn't even make it onto the field this weekend. Scott has often praised him. Dangerfield, I noticed, spoke very highly of him post match and how much they missed his presence out there. I'll listen to those people when they describe his value to the side before I go trying to make sense of abstract numbers.
From Danger's comments, straight in, so here's hoping.In regards to comments from teammates or the coach - have you ever heard any player from any team say, “yeah, well we’re a better team without Player X”; I’m not surprised to hear the support for Ratugolea, it would have been more of a shock if there wasn’t support for him
As for the injury - I haven’t seen any rejoice in him getting injured or specifically saying that it’s his injury which made us look a better team. The talk from folk seems to be centered around his absence, & folks have been asking to see what the senior team would look like if he didn‘t play - just seems that the only way we’re going to see the senior team without him is due to injury
What will be interesting this coming week is to see what happens come Friday/Saturday night - will he come straight into the 26 man squad and the final 22, or will we have a second look at the team without him
C'mon, of course not. I don't even expect to hear that sort of stuff from the cats fans here on BF, let alone his own teammates or coach. They don't have to say anything about him if they don't want to. I think they choose to because they know internally he plays an important role that doesn't get all the plaudits but makes their own role easier. I don't just assume that whenever any player or coach talks about someone's value to the team, they're just flat-out lying.In regards to comments from teammates or the coach - have you ever heard any player from any team say, “yeah, well we’re a better team without Player X”; I’m not surprised to hear the support for Ratugolea, it would have been more of a shock if there wasn’t support for him
As for the injury - I haven’t seen any rejoice in him getting injured or specifically saying that it’s his injury which made us look a better team. The talk from folk seems to be centered around his absence, & folks have been asking to see what the senior team would look like if he didn‘t play - just seems that the only way we’re going to see the senior team without him is due to injury
What will be interesting this coming week is to see what happens come Friday/Saturday night - will he come straight into the 26 man squad and the final 22, or will we have a second look at the team without him
It’s not on one man, but having 22 players contributing is better than 21, and one bloke out there doing next to nothing.
The same story I heard with Kersten week in week out.From Danger's comments, straight in, so here's hoping.
The continual calls here for him to play VFL, why not leave it up to the coach and MC who are doing an awesome job with our structure.
Some people just don't get it- Sav has a role, and it's to occupy a tall and good defender, and to let other KF's do their thing. Stats are meaningless in that context. He competes well, and does what he is asked to do, not to please the knockers on BF.
If he does get VFL time, fine, but to keep on harping on about it is just asking for praise if and when it finally happens; bit like our eventual demise.
Youve got to keep him as insurance for HawkinsSaid it better than I could.
It's not putting a line through him, but right now, he wasn't contributing on the field. As soon as Dahlhaus came on we looked more nimble, and it didn't look like we really missed him against Brisbane.
There's still time, but I wish they'd figure out what he is. For me I'm starting to think ruckman with the occasional rest up forward.
From Danger's comments, straight in, so here's hoping.
The continual calls here for him to play VFL, why not leave it up to the coach and MC who are doing an awesome job with our structure.
Some people just don't get it- Sav has a role, and it's to occupy a tall and good defender, and to let other KF's do their thing. Stats are meaningless in that context. He competes well, and does what he is asked to do, not to please the knockers on BF.
If he does get VFL time, fine, but to keep on harping on about it is just asking for praise if and when it finally happens; bit like our eventual demise.
Says who?Sorry VD, I knew you'd defend the club, but if you are a key forward and you haven't kicked a goal in 4 games, you are NOT doing your job. You still have to contribute something.
Some, as in 99.99999%?Says who?
Some Supporters maybe, but that counts for nothing at match selection.
Anyway, these things have a way of working out.
He will either be selected and play well v Hawks, or get a trip to the VFL.
Couldn't care less about %' s like that.Some, as in 99.99999%?
Not a chance. $1.05 at the outside. I figure he can put up exactly the same numbers (and level of 'influence') until the bye without his place in the seniors coming under any threat at all.$1.20 to return on Easter Monday.
Not a chance. $1.05 at the outside. I figure he can put up exactly the same numbers (and level of 'influence') until the bye without his place in the seniors coming under any threat at all.
And if we keep winning games, they'll be even less likely to pull the trigger. Roger Voudouris' 1979 smash hit was so far ahead of its time in describing what we're going to continue to see with Esava for the foreseeable at Geelong.
Apologies, Dubs. You're always several steps ahead of me, of course.I used the same last year for Kolo and Sav.
If Hawk misses, the player who's far more likely to come in and match some of his role and his output is Neale. That much is already clear.The step down from hawkins to sav.
Not at all, I like that we think the same.Apologies, Dubs. You're always several steps ahead of me, of course.