Toast Esava

[D BRIDGE]

Youve got to keep him as insurance for Hawkins

I think if Sav played FF - in the goal square - i think he would go allright - he would be a hard match up for the FB

And if Geel get rid of him - and he goes to an opposition team - thats where they will play him - he will go to a side who hasnt got a key forward - you look at Fremantle - theve got Lobb ( who has been bitterly dissappointing ) and Taberner who has been around forever - i think if Sav was FF at Freo - he would be better than those 2

Not a chance.

 

[calder_daddy]

Youve got to keep him as insurance for Hawkins

I think if Sav played FF - in the goal square - i think he would go allright - he would be a hard match up for the FB

And if Geel get rid of him - and he goes to an opposition team - thats where they will play him - he will go to a side who hasnt got a key forward - you look at Fremantle - theve got Lobb ( who has been bitterly dissappointing ) and Taberner who has been around forever - i think if Sav was FF at Freo - he would be better than those 2

Your underrating Taberner a lot.
And as for being around forever

He’s only 28

 

[catempire]

I find the team balance with or without Sav quite fascinating.

Before the Lions game I was adamant that Blicavs had to play 100% game time down back given we had Daniher and McStay to deal with.

In the end Daniher and McStay kicked 6 between them and were certainly strong contributors - but we were able to get the win with Henry and SDK doing enough in those roles.

I still regard Blicavs as our best KPD - in terms of purely stopping an opponent - and if we were to come up against a Daniher, King, Brown type in a final I’d probably want him to play back again.

But it was quite illuminating (in a good way!) that undersized Henry and 4-game SDK showed enough against two strong forwards, and that we could utilise Blicavs in a way that was an important factor in winning.

In other words, if Henry and SDK can hold down those roles all season (also noting that not many teams have two marking threats as dangerous as Brisbane), Blicavs can continue to float and Sav’s role is redundant.

Blicavs looked so much better as a utility. I’m back to my thinking of 3-4 years back that he’s wasted as a full back.

 

[cats_09]

Blicavs looked so much better as a utility. I’m back to my thinking of 3-4 years back that he’s wasted as a full back.

I totally get the need to look for a future #1 ruck to replace Stanley, but surely Blicavs has repeatedly shown himself as our best #2 ruck/utility option, and we'd be better off finding a KPD to slot into our defensive unit

 

[catstragic]

Youve got to keep him as insurance for Hawkins

I think if Sav played FF - in the goal square - i think he would go allright - he would be a hard match up for the FB

And if Geel get rid of him - and he goes to an opposition team - thats where they will play him - he will go to a side who hasnt got a key forward - you look at Fremantle - theve got Lobb ( who has been bitterly dissappointing ) and Taberner who has been around forever - i think if Sav was FF at Freo - he would be better than those 2

One major issue is that he Sav has a terrible set shot. Playing full time FF he could possible snag 2-3 contested marks a game, but given his accuracy that probably only equates to a single goal(if that). Best you can realistically hope for is to reliably bring the ball to the ground and let the smalls feed.

 

[standupand]

I find the team balance with or without Sav quite fascinating.

Before the Lions game I was adamant that Blicavs had to play 100% game time down back given we had Daniher and McStay to deal with.

In the end Daniher and McStay kicked 6 between them and were certainly strong contributors - but we were able to get the win with Henry and SDK doing enough in those roles.

I still regard Blicavs as our best KPD - in terms of purely stopping an opponent - and if we were to come up against a Daniher, King, Brown type in a final I’d probably want him to play back again.

But it was quite illuminating (in a good way!) that undersized Henry and 4-game SDK showed enough against two strong forwards, and that we could utilise Blicavs in a way that was an important factor in winning.

In other words, if Henry and SDK can hold down those roles all season (also noting that not many teams have two marking threats as dangerous as Brisbane), Blicavs can continue to float and Sav’s role is redundant.

Great points. More about Blicavs' role than about Esava's of course. I was pretty adamant before the season started that we shouldn't play Blicav's as a permanent FB. He influences the game so much more as a midfielder/utility. As a pure defender he may be able to take a good KF, but then he looks awkward with ball in hand on the last line. I think of him ideally as (to use a round ball term) a kind of 'box-to-box' midfielder. I'm glad that we've been prepared to throw SDK in the deep end a bit down back and give Blicavs the license to control the centre aerially and to use his endurance to get forward and back when we need. My main worry is if Blicavs is also providing back-up ruck support to Stanley, then it's asking a lot of both of those two to stand up across a long season. Esava, when he's in, takes a lot of that pressure off. I see his work in the ruck to have improved this year, and up forward with Hawkins and Cameron both playing, he's playing a team role, preventing them from getting double or triple teamed too often.

 

[foxdog50]

The only way Sav wants to find a spot on our list, is he has to try as a Key Position Defender... got no harm in trying in the VFL, give him 6 weeks at it and see what he can do,
Whats the worst can happen?

 

[My Tilly]

The only way Sav wants to find a spot on our list, is he has to try as a Key Position Defender... got no harm in trying in the VFL, give him 6 weeks at it and see what he can do,
Whats the worst can happen?

Scott won't try that.

 

[foxdog50]

Scott won't try that.

Sadly correct.... you would think he would look at our list and think, we're a bit thin in tall timber in defence

 

[catstragic]

Sadly correct.... you would think he would look at our list and think, we're a bit thin in tall timber in defence

Plus I don't think Sav could make it as a KPD. Disposal isn't up to scratch, and I haven't seen much evidence of him being able to body opposition players when they have the initiative. I've always advocated patience with the guy given his obvious potential, but its coming to put up or shut up time, and while he does play a role within the team, that role is very limited due to his skill set. after 50 games he can be a C+ grade ruck (average tap work, excellent follow up work) or a C grade forward (can't generate uncontested marking situations, can't set up other forwards by foot, can't kick goals reliably).

 

[My Tilly]

Plus I don't think Sav could make it as a KPD. Disposal isn't up to scratch, and I haven't seen much evidence of him being able to body opposition players when they have the initiative. I've always advocated patience with the guy given his obvious potential, but its coming to put up or shut up time, and while he does play a role within the team, that role is very limited due to his skill set. after 50 games he can be a C+ grade ruck (average tap work, excellent follow up work) or a C grade forward (can't generate uncontested marking situations, can't set up other forwards by foot, can't kick goals reliably).

Blicavs was always a poor user. Stanley was too and was trialed there by St Kilda.
Some of Geelong's past players turned into champion defenders despite having average disposal efficiency. Lonergan is a good example.

 

[calder_daddy]

Blicavs was always a poor user. Stanley was too and was trialed there by St Kilda.
Some of Geelong's past players turned into champion defenders despite having average disposal efficiency. Lonergan is a good example.

Longergan would just chip it sideways to running defenders.
The games changed in the past 10 years,
If you have poor disposal in the back half your not going to get many afl games

 

[D BRIDGE]

Fremantle - theve got Lobb ( who has been bitterly dissappointing ) and Taberner who has been around forever - i think if Sav was FF at Freo - he would be better than those 2

Just a reminder that Taberner is slightly better than Sav.
Not that I needed him to kick 7 to confirm it... you may though.

 

[calder_daddy]

Just a reminder that Taberner is slightly better than Sav.
Not that I needed him to kick 7 to confirm it... you may though.

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Taberner was always better no doubt. The type of player if he was in Victoria would be rated very highly

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Taberner was always better no doubt. The type of player if he was in Victoria would be rated very highly

He's in the Josh Bruce/Dan Mcstay/Tom McDonald class. Good but not great footballer who bobs up every couple years with a pretty good season depending on the players around him.

 

[My Tilly]

Always had big wraps on him and was the obvious successor to Pavlich. Massive shoes to fill but never quite put it all together.
Turns 29 this year does Taberner. Older than what I thought.
Fremantle should inquire about Mitch Lewis in the off season. Offer him overs as he would be a great fit but I'm sure Hawthorn will sign him up long term.

 

[Deadly Assassin]

I'm surprised you blokes didn't go after Mabior Chol

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Mabior Chol

Age

27

Ht

200cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.5

2star

K

5.3

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.3

2star

T

2.7

4star

G

0.8

4star

D

8.0

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.0

1star

M

2.3

2star

T

2.3

3star

G

0.7

4star

D

9.2

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.2

4star

to be honest. He plays the same role as Ratugolea except he's a superior player, and knowing how long you blokes have been trying to fill that 2nd KPF/2nd ruck position, Chol would have been the perfect fit while being an upgrade on Ratugolea.

 

[calder_daddy]

I'm surprised you blokes didn't go after Mabior Chol to be honest. He plays the same role as Ratugolea except he's a superior player, and knowing how long you blokes have been trying to fill that 2nd KPF/2nd ruck position, Chol would have been the perfect fit while being an upgrade on Ratugolea.

I’m more surprised you came here to sprook that. Im not sure there would’ve ever been a consideration on Chol.

Though his much younger we have a guy Shannon Neale who has very similar traits to Chol.

 

[Warhorse]

I'm surprised you blokes didn't go after Mabior Chol to be honest. He plays the same role as Ratugolea except he's a superior player, and knowing how long you blokes have been trying to fill that 2nd KPF/2nd ruck position, Chol would have been the perfect fit while being an upgrade on Ratugolea.

Chol got a very good offer from the sun's. I don't think anyone expected him to improve as much as he has

 

[catsfootyfan89]

Was apparently best on ground on the weekend in the VFL? Did anyone see the game?

 

[redally]

It took too long but Esava was finally tried in defence and as expected he took to it like a duck to water. I wouldn't mind a dollar for every failed forward that went on to become a champion in defence.

 

[goyoucatters]

It took too long but Esava was finally tried in defence and as expected he took to it like a duck to water. I wouldn't mind a dollar for every failed forward that went on to become a champion in defence.

You'd probably have enough coin to afford a 'Loose Change' meal deal at Maccas, I guess.

 

[redally]

You'd probably have enough coin to afford a 'Loose Change' meal deal at Maccas, I guess.

Mackie, Lonergan, Atkins come immediately to mind and heaps of other team players, McCartin, Liam Jones, Josh Walker. I could keep adding to the list if I had all day.

 

[Generalissimo]

Blicavs was always a poor user.

Blicavs's disposal efficiency this year is 76.6%. Geelong's overall average is 73%. His disposal is fine.

 

[goyoucatters]

Mackie, Lonergan, Atkins come immediately to mind and heaps of other team players, McCartin, Liam Jones, Josh Walker. I could keep adding to the list if I had all day.

Plenty of players have made the switch, I agree. But the idea that any of the names you mention could actually be considered a 'champion' is seriously questionable in my view.