Autopsy GWS beat North - game over at half time

[Tas]

Because the strike felled Kelly and he was holding his jaw?

It's clear his sole intention was to whack Kelly in the face, he had no intent for the ball, and he was late.

Who knows what will happen, but I don't think the AFL will like it.

It was sloppy, but I don't think he was trying to hit him in the face, I think he just tried to put some force into his spoil and it caused it to come a bit late, he probably would have missed his head if he was aiming for it.

 

[danj]

I'm not denying that the club's on field performance is dire or not linked to its coaching. But we need to consider quite recent examples where other clubs were in a similar mess and pulled themselves back. Consider Richmond, Hawthorn, Carlton, Collingwood who all experienced long periods over several years where they couldn't win a raffle. We know where the rot is in our instance. Our Board needs to make some tough decisions and aggressively target the coach that we always wanted in the first instance. If we can land that big fish and he can can turn the clubs performance, he'd become a club and probably an AFL legend.

where do you draw the line between players responsibility and the coaches responsibility? A new coach can't magic fitness into players, they can't magic basic skills into players. That stuff takes seasons of hard work which previous coaches have neglected and the pigeons are home to roost, its going to take until, the end of next season before north are regularly competitive on the track and no coaching change will make it happen any sooner. I warrant if every player that started on our list under Brad Scott had spent as much time focussed on fitness and skills as they have on their property portfolios we would be streets ahead of where we are now.

 

[Rod Stroker]

If that got graded that I’d give up the game entirely.

What part of the grading is not correct?

It got him in the head, so it was high.
His intention was to hit him in the head, because he was late and nowhere near the ball. So that's intentional.
Medium impact because it was forceful enough to put Kelly on the turf.

They might be able to argue the impact down, but I reckon he'll get at least a week for it. AFL doesn't like blokes intentionally whacking players in the head.

 

[danj]

Noble just set up a team that let Himmelberg have 37 touches.

Enough said….. we have a dud.

Keeping him on achieves nothing other than for us to fall further down the black hole.

what would you have done differently if you're coach that would have changed the outcome?

 

[giantroo]

What part of the grading is not correct?

It got him in the head, so it was high.
His intention was to hit him in the head, because he was late and nowhere near the ball. So that's intentional.
Medium impact because it was forceful enough to put Kelly on the turf.

They might be able to argue the impact down, but I reckon he'll get at least a week for it. AFL doesn't like blokes intentionally whacking players in the head.

Laughable. It happened last week. The bloke got off.


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[El Triggso]

Because Hindenburg ran past Ziebell all game and managed to get more disposals than our midfielders, if it was strictly man on man then they would turn every contest into a 2 or 3 on one because our forwards don't chase.

Very apt.

“Oh the humanity…”

 

[The Anvil]

He's gone. At least a week there. High + intentional + medium impact.

Kelly’s post strike antics looked less authentic than an Italian soccer player in the World Cup


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[Roosurgence]

Noble is part of the problem with the way we are playing, but he isn't at fault for players inability to hit team mates. If we just stopped turning the ball over and make basic errors which cost goals, we would lost games like this by 2-3 goals. We just let them hit targets like we were cones. 149 marks, 5 contested. Hawks benchmark was 100 marks a game, 120 and it was a slaughter and GWS probably have a better kicking team than hawks ever had.

These are the same problems we had with Brad, same with Shaw, same with Noble, how many coaches you want to blame for players not executing? Those other two coaches with the exact same list had great games against good opposition as well, so it wasn't an inability to do it. Not asking for the impossible, just do the basics.

You can talk about about the poor skill level as much as you want, but the fact is, no decent coach is letting Himmelberg have that much impact on a game.


The players didn’t let Himmelberg have that impact, the abysmal coaching and set up allowed it.

What was even more amazing was that he allowed it to go on without trying to curb his influence.

Stop blaming players for a coaches inability to set up a side to be competitive.

 

[rickety]

Kelly’s post strike antics looked less authentic than an Italian soccer player in the World Cup


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I am still not over this diving prick. I daresay Lucas Neill ain't either!

 

[Roosurgence]

what would you have done differently if you're coach that would have changed the outcome?

Put an opponent on him for a start.

We are talking rocket science here. What other AFL level coach would allowed a key defender have that type of influence on the game.

Noble isn’t up to it. Anyone defending what this team has become under his coaching is in denial.

 

[The Anvil]

Noble is part of the problem with the way we are playing, but he isn't at fault for players inability to hit team mates. If we just stopped turning the ball over and make basic errors which cost goals, we would lost games like this by 2-3 goals. We just let them hit targets like we were cones. 149 marks, 5 contested. Hawks benchmark was 100 marks a game, 120 and it was a slaughter and GWS probably have a better kicking team than hawks ever had.

These are the same problems we had with Brad, same with Shaw, same with Noble, how many coaches you want to blame for players not executing? Those other two coaches with the exact same list had great games against good opposition as well, so it wasn't an inability to do it. Not asking for the impossible, just do the basics.

Correct, look at our major ball winners after LDU, Jed and Simpkin went at about 50% each.

That one from Simpkin on the wing was a guaranteed goal which ended up down the other end and a 12 point swing.

CT also went at 50%.

This would get you in the VFL at some clubs.


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[Samsquanch]

Concussed. Walks free.

Plays on, 1 week

That Suns video upsets me every time I see it. There is NO WAY that was an accidental elbow to the head. How it was not seen by any umpire (or not penalised and reported) is simply astonishing. How the MRO claimed it was not reportable is simply unbelievable.

 

[Only Forwards]

What part of the grading is not correct?

It got him in the head, so it was high.
His intention was to hit him in the head, because he was late and nowhere near the ball. So that's intentional.
Medium impact because it was forceful enough to put Kelly on the turf.

They might be able to argue the impact down, but I reckon he'll get at least a week for it. AFL doesn't like blokes intentionally whacking players in the head.

So you contention is this hit is equal to the Bailey Smith Headbutt?

My take:

Careless, it was late.

low impact, Kelly played on unimpeded

 

[rickety]

what would you have done differently if you're coach that would have changed the outcome?

Obviously it's hard to hide a captain that has the galloping prowess of a runner in the 1st at Belmont, but for me, a solution would be to have someone that can at least chase. That's the easy bit, imo. Then there's the subtleties and political factions involved in team selection, the browny points and coach favourites .... etc etc. Old mother Hubbards cupboard is bare ..... I guess I don't have an answer either

 

[Waynesworld]

Noble is part of the problem with the way we are playing, but he isn't at fault for players inability to hit team mates. If we just stopped turning the ball over and make basic errors which cost goals, we would lost games like this by 2-3 goals. We just let them hit targets like we were cones. 149 marks, 5 contested. Hawks benchmark was 100 marks a game, 120 and it was a slaughter and GWS probably have a better kicking team than hawks ever had.

These are the same problems we had with Brad, same with Shaw, same with Noble, how many coaches you want to blame for players not executing? Those other two coaches with the exact same list had great games against good opposition as well, so it wasn't an inability to do it. Not asking for the impossible, just do the basics.

But doesn’t executing the basics come back to what they do at training - under the coaches direction?

Also every time we get the ball we are under that much pressure that our disposal sucks.

Seems to be a combination of coaching - structures, playing players in the wrong positions (Greenwood, Turner on ball), recruiting and general player development.

Also it now appears that the players aren’t playing for him - likely they don’t believe or are unable to follow his game plame, which results in indecision, playing away from individual players strengths, or simply, don’t really give a duck.

However any way you look at it - it all points back to the coaching and recruiting group.

There are way too many players that should be A grade that have simply gone backwards.

As they say a fish rots from the head.

 

[rickety]

So you contention is this hit is equal to the Bailey Smith Headbutt?

My take:

Careless, it was late.

low impact, Kelly played on unimpeded

I think that's just become a metaphor

 

[Samsquanch]

Careless because it was in the act of spoiling

Low impact because he rubbed his jaw and that was it, not even any attention from the trainers.

Ralph and others say it must have been a high hit as Kelly was rubbing his jaw.

Last week a club medical officer subbed a player under concussion protocols after a far more blatant act by an opponent and the media ran the "story" that supported the MRO that the incident was not a reportable event.

The AFL is a seriously flawed organisation.

 

[Rod Stroker]

So you contention is this hit is equal to the Bailey Smith Headbutt?

My take:

Careless, it was late.

low impact, Kelly played on unimpeded

My contention is that City Hall don't like roundarm whacks to the head that are late and didn't need to happen. So I expect he'll get at least a week.

 

[Waynesworld]

Could we change the title to “GWS went home at half time” please?

 

[Only Forwards]

I think that's just become a metaphor

Bailey Smith bump is what you’re looking for I reckon.

Tbh the club should hand them out.

Would make the games easier to watch.

Put an opponent on him for a start.

This player to do this doesn’t really exist.

CCJ maybe but he has no presence, Comben may as well be made of paper.

 

[Roosurgence]

This player to do this doesn’t really exist.

CCJ maybe but he has no presence, Comben may as well be made of paper.

So the answer is to do nothing and rack up another insipid loss?

If this is the case, why do we even have a coach then?

 

[Only Forwards]

So the answer is to do nothing and rack up another insipid loss?

If this is the case, why do we even have a coach then?

My honest answer is I think it is in the too hard basket.

We can’t hit enough targets to play small, we don’t have the marking power to bomb long. The one time we played 3 ruck it was next to f***ing useless, albeit a smaller margin

And TBH I am not sure why we have a coach at the moment other than to warm a seat. The players sure as shit don’t seem to be on the same page.

 

[Roogal]

where do you draw the line between players responsibility and the coaches responsibility? A new coach can't magic fitness into players, they can't magic basic skills into players. That stuff takes seasons of hard work which previous coaches have neglected and the pigeons are home to roost, its going to take until, the end of next season before north are regularly competitive on the track and no coaching change will make it happen any sooner. I warrant if every player that started on our list under Brad Scott had spent as much time focussed on fitness and skills as they have on their property portfolios we would be streets ahead of where we are now.

You're just making excuses, and like our Board and many others, simply not acknowledging the cold hard truths.

There's a certain degree of accountabilty by players, but they all can't be collectively that bad. Consider that we rank bottom (last) in 16 out of 18 of the major player performance stats. What ever the "grand vision" or "grand coaching plan" is at North ATM, it aint working. There is NO TANGIBLE IMPROVEMENT since the current coaching staff have been in charge. How long are we to persist with Noble's grand experiment? How many seasons do we persist before people concede failure?

 

[tazaa]

I know it’s irrelevant and will be forgotten tomorrow but it still needs to be noted the dickheads seated next to the GWS cheer squad made a mockery out of our club today.
**** the Giants they are a shambles themselves, but for us to have the piss taken out of us like that - that shit would never have stood in the 90s

 

[amaz199]

I know it’s irrelevant and will be forgotten tomorrow but it still needs to be noted the dickheads seated next to the GWS cheer squad made a mockery out of our club today.
duck the Giants they are a shambles themselves, but for us to have the piss taken out of us like that - that shit would never have stood in the 90s

Back in the days we were a competitive unit we used to shut those campaigners up and sing 'hearts to hearts' to the gates taz


Let them get nowhere finishing mid table whilst the AFL actively tries to get them a flag.