Oppo Camp Jack Ginnivan (Traded to Hawks 2023)

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The only thing I will say about the Ginni situation is that I wish he’d stop doing it every single time he gets the ball. It’s really not good for our forward play. Try to break the tackle, dodge, shoot out a handball not every single time playing for the free. It’s very one dimensional don’t get me wrong he does it very well and very successfully but he’s being worked out very quickly.
Can’t remember who said it but they said not to tackle but Corel him in certain circumstances to take away that opportunity. He needs a bigger bag of tricks.
 
The only thing I will say about the Ginni situation is that I wish he’d stop doing it every single time he gets the ball. It’s really not good for our forward play. Try to break the tackle, dodge, shoot out a handball not every single time playing for the free. It’s very one dimensional don’t get me wrong he does it very well and very successfully but he’s being worked out very quickly.
Can’t remember who said it but they said not to tackle but Corel him in certain circumstances to take away that opportunity. He needs a bigger bag of tricks.

Not sure about needing a bigger bag of tricks.... for small forwards in 2022 Ginni is #4 in terms of goals kicked, behind Cameron, Stengle and Bolton... who all have two genuine kpf's to generate opportunities for them and have played two more games than Jack this season so far...
 

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The only thing I will say about the Ginni situation is that I wish he’d stop doing it every single time he gets the ball. It’s really not good for our forward play. Try to break the tackle, dodge, shoot out a handball not every single time playing for the free. It’s very one dimensional don’t get me wrong he does it very well and very successfully but he’s being worked out very quickly.
Can’t remember who said it but they said not to tackle but Corel him in certain circumstances to take away that opportunity. He needs a bigger bag of tricks.
He took a mark in the forward line last game, missed the shot as i recall. He has a technique, it works, or has to a significantly positive degree. WTF would he change it (no offense meant to your good self aussie pie). This idea that ginni should act like virtually no other sporting champion has in history - relinquish a winning technique to please the moral minority - is deluded. We have applauded sporting champions for this behaviour - working the grey areas of rules - for decades if not millennia. Case in point is the generally accepted, this generations, greatest sportsman in history - M. Ali. Again, WTF do we expect Ginni to beat to a different drum? Change when it is not longer working, otherwise do your best to win us another 4 pts which is essential to winning what it is all about.
 
He needs a bigger bag of tricks.
Some seem to take offence to the terminology.
I’m with you in the sense that if every time he has a ground ball he goes to ground, it’s too predictable.
More to the point, if the AFL allow him to be umpired like the LDU tackle it disadvantages us.
Thankfully, he seems to be aware of it.
Hence him practicing standing up in the tackle as mentioned in the videos above.
 
Not sure about needing a bigger bag of tricks.... for small forwards in 2022 Ginni is #4 in terms of goals kicked, behind Cameron, Stengle and Bolton... who all have two genuine kpf's to generate opportunities for them and have played two more games than Jack this season so far...
Plus none of them are 19 years old with less than a full season of games played.
 
Umpire to Lance Franklin: “It’s brilliant, Buddy. We’re going to call it your “natural arc”, and you can run around in a circle before kicking all your set shots without being called to play on. You’ll kick a thousand!”

Umpire to Ginnivan’s severed head: “You leaned into it.”
 

Fort a boy with 20 games or less he has nice highlight reel started there, snaps, set shots from beyond 50 and never looks flustered, he may annoy the shit out of commentators and opposing players but he looks a fantastic pick up for us long may he play.
 
He took a mark in the forward line last game, missed the shot as i recall. He has a technique, it works, or has to a significantly positive degree. WTF would he change it (no offense meant to your good self aussie pie). This idea that ginni should act like virtually no other sporting champion has in history - relinquish a winning technique to please the moral minority - is deluded. We have applauded sporting champions for this behaviour - working the grey areas of rules - for decades if not millennia. Case in point is the generally accepted, this generations, greatest sportsman in history - M. Ali. Again, WTF do we expect Ginni to beat to a different drum? Change when it is not longer working, otherwise do your best to win us another 4 pts which is essential to winning what it is all about.
Not saying I don’t like what he does, I’m loving it and how much it pisses off the opposition. I’m just saying and perhaps I haven’t said it very well previously. Going forward as a player I hope he develops more strings to his bow like maybe a dusty don’t argue or more speed. Knowing how young and inexperienced he is I hope he continues to develop his skills and we see the defenders not knowing that he’ll just go for the high contract.
 
Razor Ray discussed the 3 free kicks that Ginni was involved in on Saturday and explains them pretty well. It's a reasoned and quite logical response from him. "High contact is high contact" He explains why the LDU decision was adjudged HTB and sought of says he may have gone the other way. He also says the decision against Cox was wrong

 
The AFL is positioning its publicity arm with statements that Ginnivan will be to blame if he gets a bad injury from a high tackle. The only duty of care we see from the AFL is to its image. They are preparing to blame the victim. They will not accept that it is their duty to apply the rules that are designed to protect players. With this thinking, no player is safe from hits by rule breakers.
 
The AFL is positioning its publicity arm with statements that Ginnivan will be to blame if he gets a bad injury from a high tackle. The only duty of care we see from the AFL is to its image. They are preparing to blame the victim. They will not accept that it is their duty to apply the rules that are designed to protect players. With this thinking, no player is safe from hits by rule breakers.
or encouragement by Media personalities like NR… “make him earn it”.
Publicly encouraging players to go harder with the tackle for players low to the ground.
 

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Razor Ray discussed the 3 free kicks that Ginni was involved in on Saturday and explains them pretty well. It's a reasoned and quite logical response from him. "High contact is high contact" He explains why the LDU decision was adjudged HTB and sought of says he may have gone the other way. He also says the decision against Cox was wrong


This was really interesting from Razor Ray, and confirmed a couple of my positions held previously on the issue;
1. “Lowering” is not “ducking”. “Ducking” is ducking of the head and forfeits prior opportunity, “lowering” is only considered if it has contributed to a reasonable tackle going high through the action of the ball carrier, after the initial contact was not high. In that instance it would be relevant to high tackle vs. ball up, not high tackle vs. holding the ball, unless as happened with LDU that there had been prior opportunity already.
2. A tackle can’t be “reasonable” if the initial contact is high. Lowering, leaning, shrugging are all utterly irrelevant to the decision making process, if the initial contact is to the neck.
 
The only thing I will say about the Ginni situation is that I wish he’d stop doing it every single time he gets the ball. It’s really not good for our forward play. Try to break the tackle, dodge, shoot out a handball not every single time playing for the free. It’s very one dimensional don’t get me wrong he does it very well and very successfully but he’s being worked out very quickly.
Can’t remember who said it but they said not to tackle but Corel him in certain circumstances to take away that opportunity. He needs a bigger bag of tricks.
Needs a bigger bag of tricks???

Check his goal tally this season . . .<<<< wanders away shaking his head in sheer disbelief at the above.
 
The AFL is positioning its publicity arm with statements that Ginnivan will be to blame if he gets a bad injury from a high tackle. The only duty of care we see from the AFL is to its image. They are preparing to blame the victim. They will not accept that it is their duty to apply the rules that are designed to protect players. With this thinking, no player is safe from hits by rule breakers.
This is a total abrogation of 'duty of care'.

The umpires are the the second top link in the chain and then the AFL itself.

When an injury occurs every link in the chain gets whacked - the biggest whack for the top dog.

The AFL can't slither away from this responsibility - it is both common and legislated law.
 
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This was really interesting from Razor Ray, and confirmed a couple of my positions held previously on the issue;
1. “Lowering” is not “ducking”. “Ducking” is ducking of the head and forfeits prior opportunity, “lowering” is only considered if it has contributed to a reasonable tackle going high through the action of the ball carrier, after the initial contact was not high. In that instance it would be relevant to high tackle vs. ball up, not high tackle vs. holding the ball, unless as happened with LDU that there had been prior opportunity already.
2. A tackle can’t be “reasonable” if the initial contact is high. Lowering, leaning, shrugging are all utterly irrelevant to the decision making process, if the initial contact is to the neck.

This really highlights how poor a journalist Robinson is. He has clearly formed his incorrect view without consulting the umpires.
 
This really highlights how poor a journalist Robinson is. He has clearly formed his incorrect view without consulting the umpires.
& told Christian Petracca that his view was correct (If you lower during tackle it’s a free kick against).
Christian wasn’t sure or too polite to challenge.
Gerard…no comment.
Now that Gerard is aware (& we are aware), I hope he raises this tonight…& informs Robbo that he was wrong.
 
Umpire to Lance Franklin: “It’s brilliant, Buddy. We’re going to call it your “natural arc”, and you can run around in a circle before kicking all your set shots without being called to play on. You’ll kick a thousand!”
I forgot how much that used to shit me up the wall. Why was he allowed to do it though but right footers had to have a strict and straight run-up, because it was good for the game?

Might go outside and yell at some clouds too MyManLynch
 
Umpire to Lance Franklin: “It’s brilliant, Buddy. We’re going to call it your “natural arc”, and you can run around in a circle before kicking all your set shots without being called to play on. You’ll kick a thousand!”

Umpire to Ginnivan’s severed head: “You leaned into it.”

So it's a racial thing?
 
What hasn’t been spoken about enough after this game is the last tackle by Corr. People are debating the technique etc etc, but if the afl was serious about protecting players they should be paying 50 for the follow ups opposition give him.

Couldn’t find a better angle (have seen it somewhere), but clearly after finishing his poor tackle, grips him again (around the neck), flings him across his body and then drops the elbow in. Why is this ok? Because his manipulating the system to get free kicks? Needs to be stamped out as it happens too much!

Clear second and third action there that should be penalised every time.
 

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What hasn’t been spoken about enough after this game is the last tackle by Corr. People are debating the technique etc etc, but if the afl was serious about protecting players they should be paying 50 for the follow ups opposition give him.

Couldn’t find a better angle (have seen it somewhere), but clearly after finishing his poor tackle, grips him again (around the neck), flings him across his body and then drops the elbow in. Why is this ok? Because his manipulating the system to get free kicks? Needs to be stamped out as it happens too much!

Clear second and third action there that should be penalised every time.

It's worrying the additional attention he gets after he's tackled. Already resulted in a few getting holidays. There'll be more.
 

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