Opinion Sack Hinkley 6 - Kochblocked

[Del165198]

Agree with most of that, except your summation of the first 5 games. Melbourne is a good side, but not good enough to keep the opposition goalless until just before 3/4 time. That was an unforgivable indictment on Hinkley's tactics to try and lose by as little as possible: just another reason why he has to go. The players have been fed a defence first mantra - hopefully the next coach comes with a far more attacking mindset, because I never want to see a repeat of that Melbourne debacle.

defence first is what you do when you're a horrific spooner type team. it's what noble tried to do with north, it's what roos did with melbourne. "learning how to defend" and not worrying much about what happens at the other end. for a coach with 10 years in one place it's pathetic and done purely to limit the damage and keep his job.

premiership teams rarely win flags because they're defence first. ross lyon got close but never got there. you could argue the swans 16 odd years ago.

the game is about scoring. the only teams that have scored less than us are literally the bottom 4 (and essendon, who have a game in hand and will surely score more than 60 points against north tonight)

 

[Del165198]

PROMOTE STICKERMAN

SACK HINKLEY

sack hinkley the clown worm farmer, cockroach who can't be destroyed, spud donut man. he's also cold for some reason.

 

[Expat power]

Excellent Fotball excusSes.

Excuses, observations, whatever, I think we both agree it’s been one of the more depressing seasons we’ve had. It’s been a slow kill.

 

[philreich]

7 scoring opportunities in 2.5 quarters, no matter which way you want to shift the goalposts, is absolutely putrid


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I can shift the goal posts too - if Geelong had missed every single shot in the 2007 grand final, Port would have won by a point..........

 

[Loony Juice]

sack hinkley the clown worm farmer, cockroach who can't be destroyed, spud donut man. he's also cold for some reason.

The snowflake is for the lack of appreciation of the sticker

He is a clown
A worm like infection
Can't be killed like a cockroach
Farmer is meant to be a hillbilly
Spud he is
Donuts indeed

SACK HINKLEY

 

[Loony Juice]

Well well well, hasn't Kornes changed his tune? Last year after the PF loss, he was adamant that Hinkley would need to make a grand final this year in order to keep his job. Then a couple of weeks ago, he said we need to show Hinkley respect and let him see out his contract.

SACK KANE CORNES

aka princess firequencher

 

[Loony Juice]

Weren't we going to win games and the premiership with Total Football at some stage? That is a long way from these apologia for Hinkley that you are now trotting out.

While we were underdogs in that game, you are just retconning things to avoid the obvious: that we went into that game with a plan to just clog up the game as much as possible and with no plan as to how to score. Everything was sclerotic from the start, like we were playing for the first nil-all draw for the millennium. The plan sucked, was defeatist and did the players, the fans and the game no service at all.

Liked for the use of sclerotic

Tough competition for word of the day

Embiggens

Cromulent

Sclerotic

 

[Janus]

Weren't we going to win games and the premiership with Total Football at some stage? That is a long way from these apologia for Hinkley that you are now trotting out.

While we were underdogs in that game, you are just retconning things to avoid the obvious: that we went into that game with a plan to just clog up the game as much as possible and with no plan as to how to score. Everything was sclerotic from the start, like we were playing for the first nil-all draw for the millennium. The plan sucked, was defeatist and did the players, the fans and the game no service at all.

Total Football requires having players who can play in multiple positions across the field and switch between them as the game is in motion, and requires high levels of tactical awareness, mental application, fitness and conditioning. We are nowhere near it right now.

 

[MrMeaner]

Total Football requires having players who can play in multiple positions across the field and switch between them as the game is in motion, and requires high levels of tactical awareness, mental application, fitness and conditioning. We are nowhere near it right now.

That suggests that it was not a thing that Hinkley ever pursued.

 

[Steve Dore]

Koch says that our ability to occasionally produce quarters were we smash good opposition teams is a sign that the football program under Kenny Hinkley is working.

What it actually says is that our list has the raw talent to more than just be competitive against the top teams but thanks to Hinkley Ball™ we are more likely to have goaless quarters than those good quarters.

Sack "Donuts" Hinkley.

 

[Steve Dore]

Total Football requires having players who can play in multiple positions across the field and switch between them as the game is in motion, and requires high levels of tactical awareness, mental application, fitness and conditioning. We are nowhere near it right now.

With the exception of fitness and conditioning all things that are the responsibility of the head coach.

 

[finbarr]

The moment Hinkley gets the boot janus will turn on him. You watch.

 

[MrMeaner]

The moment Hinkley gets the boot janus will turn on him. You watch.

To go all underpants gnome on the new coach's prospects

 

[Steve Dore]

The moment Hinkley gets the boot janus will turn on him. You watch.

Janus will say that he has been arguing for Hinkley to be sacked all along, people just didn't understand the secret meanings of the words.

 

[JimmyBC]

Total Football requires having players who can play in multiple positions across the field and switch between them as the game is in motion, and requires high levels of tactical awareness, mental application, fitness and conditioning. We are nowhere near it right now.

Another decade ya reckon?

 

[killtaker1993]

I begin today by acknowledging the Traditional Custodians of the land on which we collectively gather to post on BigFooty today, and pay my respects to their Elders past and present. I extend that respect to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples posting here today.

Now, with that being said....

Sack Hinkley.

 

[MrPlow]

Ken Hinkley:

Can’t do much on game day, it’s up to the players. The head coach isn’t responsible for in-game tactical changes.

Can’t kick the goals himself, it’s up to the players. The head coach isn’t responsible for list management, player selection or skills training.

For 800k a year, what is Ken’s role precisely? Why do we even need a head coach?

 

[Janus]

People keep thinking I have some sort of hard on for Hinkley. I don't. I've repeatedly said you can sack him if you want. All I'm trying to impress on people is that our problems will still be here regardless until we get an elite general forward that we had with Wingard in 2013/2014 before he cracked the shits because operating as a forward/mid was too much work for him. We've been looking for one for a long time. And if we don't use this draft/trade period to get one, preferably two, then we won't do jack shit - you could get Clarkson with Hardwick as his assistant and it wouldn't matter.

 

[Coobk001]

After the disastrous 0-5 start to our season we have gone 8-6, so that's roughly a 60% win ratio, so 8 games remaining at 60% we would be on 13 wins, and still with the possibility of missing finals, so that's our season in a crude nut shell.

If we were 8-6 in our fist 14 games at round 15 with around 107% we would be around 10th - 11th so in reality not that great.

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But we didn't just go 0-5, you can't selectively choose the parts of the season you want to count. We went 0-5 because we are no good. We've now gone 1-4 in the last 5, because we are no good. There's no surprise in the results.

We've had 1 really shocking performance all year. One. Against the Hawks. Everything else has been to script.

So we are at best an 8-10 team. So if the season went another 8 games, likely we go 4-4, but likely we go 3-5.

This 0-5 narrative has been such absolute garbage, and the recent 1-4 has highlighted that. We may well lose next week too, then it becomes even worse.

 

[edgie]

Wingard literally was an all Australian in 2013 and 2015, years he split forward target with forward flank pseudo midfielder role.

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[Coobk001]

We may well lose next week, and we are realistically becoming a chance to finish a couple spots lower on the ladder.

How does the draft look? Play our cards right, keep Hinkley till r22, sack him for a big showdown win, move up the draft order and happy days

 

[El_Scorcho]

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I wonder why the guys I've highlighted for us couldn't score against the guys I've highlighted for Melbourne. Especially when Lycett went off with an injury early in the second quarter for a shoulder dislocation that has kept him out the entire year and Wines was substituted at half time for a heart issue and missed the next week as well.

Motlop went into the season being our 25th best player - he was sub against Brisbane (23rd player), with Dixon and Fantasia easily ahead of him on the depth chart. We had just omitted Sam Skinner for Tom Clurey for his first game of the season, Miles Bergman came in for his first game of the season and Trent Dumont was listed as sub. Mayes and McEntee weren't anywhere near our best 22 at the start of the year but apparently by R4 they were? And who did these guys replace? Martin Frederick and Trent McKenzie.

So if Motlop was our 25th best player at the start of the season, and we played Frederick ahead of Dumont, that means that we were down to players 26, 27 and 28 in that match.

We've got a good team, but even the best team in the league couldn't succeed against the reigning premier with talent like Dixon, Aliir, Fantasia and Gray missing + Wines and Lycett feeling suboptimal due to injury/illness.

You're right, a very bad team could never score against a powerhouse like Melbourne, we were lucky to get that late 3rd quarter goal.

Let's see what some historically bad football sides did against them:

West Coast in round 9: kicked the first goal of the match early in the 1st quarter.

North Melbourne in round 10: kicked the 2nd and 3rd goals of the match in the middle of the 1st quarter.

Hey wait a minute

 

[Enviable Tradition]

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I wonder why the guys I've highlighted for us couldn't score against the guys I've highlighted for Melbourne. Especially when Lycett went off with an injury early in the second quarter for a shoulder dislocation that has kept him out the entire year and Wines was substituted at half time for a heart issue and missed the next week as well.

Motlop went into the season being our 25th best player - he was sub against Brisbane (23rd player), with Dixon and Fantasia easily ahead of him on the depth chart. We had just omitted Sam Skinner for Tom Clurey for his first game of the season, Miles Bergman came in for his first game of the season and Trent Dumont was listed as sub. Mayes and McEntee weren't anywhere near our best 22 at the start of the year but apparently by R4 they were? And who did these guys replace? Martin Frederick and Trent McKenzie.

So if Motlop was our 25th best player at the start of the season, and we played Frederick ahead of Dumont, that means that we were down to players 26, 27 and 28 in that match.

We've got a good team, but even the best team in the league couldn't succeed against the reigning premier with talent like Dixon, Aliir, Fantasia and Gray missing + Wines and Lycett feeling suboptimal due to injury/illness.

Yes they could and they do.

Remember Richmond beating us with their B Grade.

 

[Janus]

Wingard literally was an all Australian in 2013 and 2015, years he split forward target with forward flank pseudo midfielder role.

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Yes, and he moved to Hawthorn where he told Clarkson that he wanted to be played in one spot or the other because he didn't like having to shift between roles. In response Clarkson joked that he would play him in defence then.

 

[Ilias M]

Saints Tigers GC winning Port cooked