Opinion Sack Hinkley 6 - Kochblocked

[fergulator72]

Oh come on - you don't expect the media to say he is s**t. They wouldn't do that to any coach not even Brendan McCarthy or even Matthew Knights.

Not even Buckley got the love from the media Hinkley is getting,you watch any show from kayo to SA media,he's literally a protected species,any talk of another coach going to port gets shut down very quickly

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[longdonkey]

Not even Buckley got the love from the media Hinkley is getting,you watch any show from kayo to SA media,he's literally a protected species,any talk of another coach going to port gets shut down very quickly

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If Hinkley had any respect in Melbourne he would be being mentioned as a possible for the North Melbourne coach. The only person who has mentioned it is buddy Kane.

 

[TeeKray]

If Hinkley had any respect in Melbourne he would be being mentioned as a possible for the North Melbourne coach. The only person who has mentioned it is buddy Kane.

He doesn't have that sort of respect. He has 'get little battler club from Adelaide to 10th, great job!' type respect. They would never actually want him coaching one of the VFL clubs who expect and demand success. We're expected to be happy to be 10th.

 

[Janus]

Agree with most of that, except your summation of the first 5 games. Melbourne is a good side, but not good enough to keep the opposition goalless until just before 3/4 time. That was an unforgivable indictment on Hinkley's tactics to try and lose by as little as possible: just another reason why he has to go. The players have been fed a defence first mantra - hopefully the next coach comes with a far more attacking mindset, because I never want to see a repeat of that Melbourne debacle.

I wonder why the guys I've highlighted for us couldn't score against the guys I've highlighted for Melbourne. Especially when Lycett went off with an injury early in the second quarter for a shoulder dislocation that has kept him out the entire year and Wines was substituted at half time for a heart issue and missed the next week as well.

Motlop went into the season being our 25th best player - he was sub against Brisbane (23rd player), with Dixon and Fantasia easily ahead of him on the depth chart. We had just omitted Sam Skinner for Tom Clurey for his first game of the season, Miles Bergman came in for his first game of the season and Trent Dumont was listed as sub. Mayes and McEntee weren't anywhere near our best 22 at the start of the year but apparently by R4 they were? And who did these guys replace? Martin Frederick and Trent McKenzie.

So if Motlop was our 25th best player at the start of the season, and we played Frederick ahead of Dumont, that means that we were down to players 26, 27 and 28 in that match.

We've got a good team, but even the best team in the league couldn't succeed against the reigning premier with talent like Dixon, Aliir, Fantasia and Gray missing + Wines and Lycett feeling suboptimal due to injury/illness.

 

[Schulzenfest]

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I wonder why the guys I've highlighted for us couldn't score against the guys I've highlighted for Melbourne. Especially when Lycett went off with an injury early in the second quarter for a shoulder dislocation that has kept him out the entire year and Wines was substituted at half time for a heart issue and missed the next week as well.

Motlop went into the season being our 25th best player - he was sub against Brisbane (23rd player), with Dixon and Fantasia easily ahead of him on the depth chart. We had just omitted Sam Skinner for Tom Clurey for his first game of the season, Miles Bergman came in for his first game of the season and Trent Dumont was listed as sub. Mayes and McEntee weren't anywhere near our best 22 at the start of the year but apparently by R4 they were? And who did these guys replace? Martin Frederick and Trent McKenzie.

So if Motlop was our 25th best player at the start of the season, and we played Frederick ahead of Dumont, that means that we were down to players 26, 27 and 28 in that match.

We've got a good team, but even the best team in the league couldn't succeed against the reigning premier with talent like Dixon, Aliir, Fantasia and Gray missing + Wines and Lycett feeling suboptimal due to injury/illness.

Did someone put a gun to Ken's head that week and force him to pick Motlop, Mayes, McEntee and Mead while Jeremy Finlayson kicked 6 in the SANFL?

Follow up question, don't you get tired of being wrong about everything all the time?

 

[longdonkey]

He doesn't have that sort of respect. He has 'get little battler club from Adelaide to 10th, great job!' type respect. They would never actually want him coaching one of the VFL clubs who expect and demand success. We're expected to be happy to be 10th.

I would say that in Melbourne they would be very happy to have the dud coaching us and stopping us from getting any success with his one dimensional game plan and consistent negativity about the club and supporters.

 

[DBrowJ]

Go to the tweet and read the comments. Can't all be from Bigfooty posters

Here is a good one, a lot of fed up people in there.

 

[Football Smith]

 

[philreich]

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I wonder why the guys I've highlighted for us couldn't score against the guys I've highlighted for Melbourne. Especially when Lycett went off with an injury early in the second quarter for a shoulder dislocation that has kept him out the entire year and Wines was substituted at half time for a heart issue and missed the next week as well.

Motlop went into the season being our 25th best player - he was sub against Brisbane (23rd player), with Dixon and Fantasia easily ahead of him on the depth chart. We had just omitted Sam Skinner for Tom Clurey for his first game of the season, Miles Bergman came in for his first game of the season and Trent Dumont was listed as sub. Mayes and McEntee weren't anywhere near our best 22 at the start of the year but apparently by R4 they were? And who did these guys replace? Martin Frederick and Trent McKenzie.

So if Motlop was our 25th best player at the start of the season, and we played Frederick ahead of Dumont, that means that we were down to players 26, 27 and 28 in that match.

We've got a good team, but even the best team in the league couldn't succeed against the reigning premier with talent like Dixon, Aliir, Fantasia and Gray missing + Wines and Lycett feeling suboptimal due to injury/illness.

Seems to me that you're making excuses for mediocrity. No goals until late in the third quarter. Ken has become a record breaker in so many ways at Alberton, including being the man who delivered our first ever goalless first half.

 

[JimmyBC]

Did someone put a gun to Ken's head that week and force him to pick Motlop, Mayes, McEntee and Mead while Jeremy Finlayson kicked 6 in the SANFL?

Follow up question, don't you get tired of being wrong about everything all the time?

I feel like Janus type reasoning does happen at the club though.. with the obvious outcomes.

 

[TeeKray]

I would say that in Melbourne they would be very happy to have the dud coaching us and stopping us from getting any success with his one dimensional game plan and consistent negativity about the club and supporters.

They don't think about us like that. They look at the ladder and notice we're 11th and think 'oh wow, shouldn't that shitty interstate team be 17th?' before concluding that our Victorian coach must therefore be amazing. Then when you make a prelim every now and then that just about elevates him to Hall of Fame tier in their eyes.

 

[Janus]

Did someone put a gun to Ken's head that week and force him to pick Motlop, Mayes, McEntee and Mead while Jeremy Finlayson kicked 6 in the SANFL?

Follow up question, don't you get tired of being wrong about everything all the time?

What do you mean 'while Finlayson kicked 6 in the SANFL?' That makes it sound like Finlayson kicked 6 in the SANFL and Hinkley refused to pick him after a dominant performance. The Melbourne game was on 7th of April. Finlayson kicked 6 goals on the 9th of April.

He was dropped for a good reason, because he wasn't putting in the effort required.




This was what he put up when he was up for selection against Melbourne:



To give you a comparison:



That's what Jack Watts put up when he was dropped in 2019. And he didn't get back in the following week either.

 

[Steve Dore]

When you think about it, that means that we regularly make the grand final among the teams that finished outside the 8 - no wonder we've kept Ken for so long.

Ninthmond would be petrified coming up against a Hinkley coached Portenth in the grand final for teams that don't make the finals.

 

[Janus]

Seems to me that you're making excuses for mediocrity. No goals until late in the third quarter. Ken has become a record breaker in so many ways at Alberton, including being the man who delivered our first ever goalless first half.

No excuses. It's not like we didn't have opportunities to score - they just missed them all.

Amon - behind Q1 3:17
Burton - behind Q1 5:28
Amon - behind Q1 19:41
Amon - behind Q2 6:48
Marshall - didn't even get to take a shot because of Butters' stupidity end of Q2
Butters - behind Q3 2:05
Mayes - behind Q3 10:10

It's why I want to strengthen our forward firepower in the draft. Also why I really don't give a **** that Amon is going - three opportunities to score and he couldn't nail any of them.

 

[malcheski]

No excuses. It's not like we didn't have opportunities to score - they just missed them all.

Amon - behind Q1 3:17
Burton - behind Q1 5:28
Amon - behind Q1 19:41
Amon - behind Q2 6:48
Marshall - didn't even get to take a shot because of Butters' stupidity end of Q2
Butters - behind Q3 2:05
Mayes - behind Q3 10:10

It's why I want to strengthen our forward firepower in the draft. Also why I really don't give a * that Amon is going - three opportunities to score and he couldn't nail any of them.

7 scoring opportunities in 2.5 quarters, no matter which way you want to shift the goalposts, is absolutely putrid


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[Expat power]

The other day my car broke down. It has broken down a lot lately, for years now. I'm always fixing it up but it never seems to stay good for long. It's bloody annoying because it is always same things that fail.

There's definitely a problem with the car. People say maybe I should take it to a mechanic, I don't know what they are implying, that I'm not doing a good job of fixing it? I think that shows what they know about cars, and it's very very little. Even that time it was off the road for a month. I got it going eventually for a few weeks, I'm living and driving in the now. Nobody ever wants to talk about those times when it is working again after my repairs.

This is very very good - thanks for the laugh, have shared in the family chat.

 

[Del165198]

They don't think about us like that. They look at the ladder and notice we're 11th and think 'oh wow, shouldn't that shitty interstate team be 17th?' before concluding that our Victorian coach must therefore be amazing. Then when you make a prelim every now and then that just about elevates him to Hall of Fame tier in their eyes.

this is exactly it. we generated some interest in 2014 and people actually watched us since we were exciting.

since then we've kinda plodded around in nowhere land, and their reaction to us has been basically the same whether we're top of the ladder or 10th.

when we were in the top 4 it was 'oh they haven't beaten anyone'
when we missed out it was oh theyre unlucky but competitive

we're the plucky losers that they don't actually pay attention to. most of the commentators have zero knowledge of our players, to the point where they don't even know who players are despite being on the list for multiple years.

there is no in depth analysis because they just don't care. we're as irrelevant to them as gold coast and GWS, in fact more so because they don't artificially try to pump us up.

we play games and the commentators spend the entire thing talking about what the other team is doing.

because we are still there and we're not bottom of the table, it's assumed ken is doing a good job.

we need someone with balls to stand up, make a bigger issues about things like the prison bars. tell the afl we're wearing in heritage round, like every other ****ing club gets to, and force them to strip points if they're going to be campaigners.

 

[Expat power]

Agree with most of that, except your summation of the first 5 games. Melbourne is a good side, but not good enough to keep the opposition goalless until just before 3/4 time. That was an unforgivable indictment on Hinkley's tactics to try and lose by as little as possible: just another reason why he has to go. The players have been fed a defence first mantra - hopefully the next coach comes with a far more attacking mindset, because I never want to see a repeat of that Melbourne debacle.

I agree, and I never want to watch a game like that Melbourne game again but I reckon they would have thrashed us by 15 goals otherwise, although maybe that would have been preferable to what we had to watch.

 

[Football Smith]

Well well well, hasn't Kornes changed his tune? Last year after the PF loss, he was adamant that Hinkley would need to make a grand final this year in order to keep his job. Then a couple of weeks ago, he said we need to show Hinkley respect and let him see out his contract.

 

[MrMeaner]

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I wonder why the guys I've highlighted for us couldn't score against the guys I've highlighted for Melbourne. Especially when Lycett went off with an injury early in the second quarter for a shoulder dislocation that has kept him out the entire year and Wines was substituted at half time for a heart issue and missed the next week as well.

Motlop went into the season being our 25th best player - he was sub against Brisbane (23rd player), with Dixon and Fantasia easily ahead of him on the depth chart. We had just omitted Sam Skinner for Tom Clurey for his first game of the season, Miles Bergman came in for his first game of the season and Trent Dumont was listed as sub. Mayes and McEntee weren't anywhere near our best 22 at the start of the year but apparently by R4 they were? And who did these guys replace? Martin Frederick and Trent McKenzie.

So if Motlop was our 25th best player at the start of the season, and we played Frederick ahead of Dumont, that means that we were down to players 26, 27 and 28 in that match.

We've got a good team, but even the best team in the league couldn't succeed against the reigning premier with talent like Dixon, Aliir, Fantasia and Gray missing + Wines and Lycett feeling suboptimal due to injury/illness.

Weren't we going to win games and the premiership with Total Football at some stage? That is a long way from these apologia for Hinkley that you are now trotting out.

While we were underdogs in that game, you are just retconning things to avoid the obvious: that we went into that game with a plan to just clog up the game as much as possible and with no plan as to how to score. Everything was sclerotic from the start, like we were playing for the first nil-all draw for the millennium. The plan sucked, was defeatist and did the players, the fans and the game no service at all.

 

[JUSTWORK]

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I wonder why the guys I've highlighted for us couldn't score against the guys I've highlighted for Melbourne. Especially when Lycett went off with an injury early in the second quarter for a shoulder dislocation that has kept him out the entire year and Wines was substituted at half time for a heart issue and missed the next week as well.

Motlop went into the season being our 25th best player - he was sub against Brisbane (23rd player), with Dixon and Fantasia easily ahead of him on the depth chart. We had just omitted Sam Skinner for Tom Clurey for his first game of the season, Miles Bergman came in for his first game of the season and Trent Dumont was listed as sub. Mayes and McEntee weren't anywhere near our best 22 at the start of the year but apparently by R4 they were? And who did these guys replace? Martin Frederick and Trent McKenzie.

So if Motlop was our 25th best player at the start of the season, and we played Frederick ahead of Dumont, that means that we were down to players 26, 27 and 28 in that match.

We've got a good team, but even the best team in the league couldn't succeed against the reigning premier with talent like Dixon, Aliir, Fantasia and Gray missing + Wines and Lycett feeling suboptimal due to injury/illness.

Hinkley picked that side, and Hinkley chose to play Mayes at FF against May and have the side target him more than anyone axle that game.

Marshall, who had just played the best game of his career was payed away from goal and Finlayson kicked 6 playing in the SANFL.

 

[StrappingTape]

No excuses. It's not like we didn't have opportunities to score - they just missed them all.

Amon - behind Q1 3:17
Burton - behind Q1 5:28
Amon - behind Q1 19:41
Amon - behind Q2 6:48
Marshall - didn't even get to take a shot because of Butters' stupidity end of Q2
Butters - behind Q3 2:05
Mayes - behind Q3 10:10
It's why I want to strengthen our forward firepower in the draft. Also why I really don't give a * that Amon is going - three opportunities to score and he couldn't nail any of them.

Ok so in all seriousness, what is your actual argument for premiership success in year 11 vs against a new coach?

 

[Expat power]

Did someone put a gun to Ken's head that week and force him to pick Motlop, Mayes, McEntee and Mead while Jeremy Finlayson kicked 6 in the SANFL?

Follow up question, don't you get tired of being wrong about everything all the time?

Tbf That 6 goal game was Findlaysons first sign of life, it all made sense when what was going on in his personal life came out but he was shocking at the beginning of the season.

 

[longdonkey]

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I wonder why the guys I've highlighted for us couldn't score against the guys I've highlighted for Melbourne. Especially when Lycett went off with an injury early in the second quarter for a shoulder dislocation that has kept him out the entire year and Wines was substituted at half time for a heart issue and missed the next week as well.

Motlop went into the season being our 25th best player - he was sub against Brisbane (23rd player), with Dixon and Fantasia easily ahead of him on the depth chart. We had just omitted Sam Skinner for Tom Clurey for his first game of the season, Miles Bergman came in for his first game of the season and Trent Dumont was listed as sub. Mayes and McEntee weren't anywhere near our best 22 at the start of the year but apparently by R4 they were? And who did these guys replace? Martin Frederick and Trent McKenzie.

So if Motlop was our 25th best player at the start of the season, and we played Frederick ahead of Dumont, that means that we were down to players 26, 27 and 28 in that match.

We've got a good team, but even the best team in the league couldn't succeed against the reigning premier with talent like Dixon, Aliir, Fantasia and Gray missing + Wines and Lycett feeling suboptimal due to injury/illness.

I don't agree with your analysis.

Looking at those numbers in Round 1 & 2 which we had one bad loss and a loss to Brisbane away by 11 points. Finlayson would have played as a 2nd forward and by his numbers spent some time rucking. Both games we have struggled to score.

I will concentrate on the Round 2 game which he got dropped after:

We lost Clearances by 24
We won Contested Possessions by 8
We lost Hit Outs by 24
we won Inside 50's by 12
We won disposals by 74

So we got beaten up at the contest, managed to win it back,(due to their poor disposal efficiency) got more inside 50's but failed to score and lost by 10 goals.
Looks like we tried to defend with the ball and no doubt moved the ball slowly.
All the forwards that night did not get any of the ball Marshall 4 touches Mead 6 touches Finlayson 11 touches Georgiades 13 touches

Its a blueprint for all the losses we've had all season except we lost clearances as well which resulted in a heavier defeat.

So in Round 3 Hinkley scapegoated Finlayson, Sinn and Duursma.

It's a clear breakdown of the game plan and is exactly the same issue that we have dealt with all season in the games we have lost and it is all due to playing an extra player at the contest and allowing them to have a plus one at the back.

People get carried away about individual player stats and what a certain player did or didn't do. Look at the team stats and work out why the numbers look the way they do.

 

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