Review Round 21, 2022 - Brisbane Lions vs. Carlton

[Viceregal]

I generally stay away from the match threads. To me they are generally a hotbed of negativism and I try to keep as much negativity out of my life as I can. I get they display what fans are feeling at any particular time. What I don't get is the effort involved in typing it out. Sure when you're at the ground, voicing your pleasure/displeasure is as easy as using your voice. But posting in a match thread in a way that is generally just an expletive and not part of a specific conversation... you have to get your phone/PC out, go to the app/website and type something out. It takes effort that goes beyond an in-the-heat-of-the-moment exasperation.

What exactly are people trying to achieve? I'm genuinely not having a go, but I notice on the odd occasion I stick my head in a match thread that it tends to be the same posters who use them. So what is the attraction? What do you get out of them?

I use them to get information about what it happening since it tends to be more relevant that whatever the commentariat is babbling on about at the time. Sometimes it lets me know what the free was for, whether I was legitimately confused about what happened or it made sense to others, comments about strategy being employed (or not) can enhance my appreciation of what is happening (eg the commentators aren't likely to mention Joe pulling Weitering out of position since Joe doesn't have the ball they are watching), how an injured player is going etc.

I just scroll through things sometimes when they get negative, sometimes I don't have to look at the poster to know who posted the words (which is a good sign that a) they are repeating themselves too much and b) that very repetition is diluting the value of their message).

 

[martinson]

See I don't get that either, but perhaps I'm getting to the age where I'm out of touch. To me it's howling at the moon and achieves no purpose.

Well I'm tipping I'm older than you FB and the way people carry on on SM totally bemuses me. Yet the pack mentality can be seductive.

It achieves zero purpose for the individual but has become a powerful manipulative tool for organisations, political parties and anyone with an issue where they want to raise awareness and influence opinion.

 

[MSB ROYS]

They're letting off steam.

Is it different to any SM these days where people spend days carrying on about some political or social issue that probably doesn't even effect their lives.

I agree to an extent but it's when posters predominantly ONLY post negative and often derogatory posts is just annoying. I post about 80% supportive and attempted funny stuff. Maybe this is too high, but posting >80% negative stuff just makes you look like a tool. For those who do and don't realise it, think about some balance.

Sure I was disappointed with the start to last quarter, sure Lachie's poor kicking options were frustrating etc, but we steadied, kicked the last few goals and beat a fellow top 8 team by over 5 goals. Also over Carlton... who does not like beating them? Further derailing their season? Disappointing their fans? It's sweet. I know that it's different in Queensland, but Lions supporters will be going to work today in the football states with a smile. Some will just knowingly look at their Carlton supporting colleagues, while other will be more vocal and trash talk about Carlton missing the 8 etc. Life is too short to be too negative. Trust me, I know.

Do I think that we will win the premiership? Unlikely. Can we win the flag? Certainly! A week is long time in football, let alone a few months. Go Lions.

 

[Viceregal]

Re expectations ...

If the only metric possible for being a happy follower of the sport is that you win the GF then by definition life sucks for 17/18ths of the fans.

Back in the day I was looking for signs of improvement and if we snagged a win I was delighted and actually even winning a quarter was awesome (and occasional)

More recently my expectations have gone up and so my potential for disappointment has increased (disappointment being the result of unmet expectations) and I now expect my team to win a lot more quarters than they lose and win a lot more games than they lose. That being said the other team is also trying to win contests, quarters and games.

When we got to finals and lost two KPFs in the first half I knew we were in trouble - if we ended up in the GF but 12 of our 22 got cancelled due to covid and the other team was full strength I would expect them to give it a red hot go but wouldn't be as disappointed in the loss (since my expectations would have lowered).

I don't mind that we get on runs and they get on runs - what I want to see is them doing something about it ... when they eventually did last quarter. I would have preferred it a bit earlier but I am sure that the Blue's fans would have preferred their guys to be on top for more than 15 mins through the game as well.

I am much happier as a fan fighting for top four than fighting for the lowest possible pick and while I do have concerns over our mobs mentality and toughness and game plan etc in the finals there is nothing I can do about that.

It sometimes feels like we are waiting for it to be our turn - that we are in the position to win it if they let us - I would prefer it to be that we are taking it by force and they are the ones gnashing their teeth because they can't seem to stop us.

I suspect that that will require some personnel changes both on and off field.

There is a difference between weathering oppositional momentum and rolling over without appearing to care ... I don't think they don't care but sometimes it would be better if it was more obvious.

I sometimes wonder how much our guys rely on intrinsic professional motivation (eg Neale and reportedly Ashcroft) and how many rely on extrinsic motivation and how many are just happy getting paid and not focussed on continued improvement...

 

[martinson]

There was a lot of talk most of this year that Mathieson and Lyons couldn't play in the same team.

Well now that Mathieson is starting to cement a spot Lyons seems to be going a bit better than he was when Mathieson wasn't there.

 

[Dalions]

I agree with this statement. The best teams have that harder edge to them. The difference across the tops teams is fairly minimal in my opinion. If you take yesterdays incident with Cripps who and how many remonstrated immediately? We’re the ‘nice guys’ of the league.

It’s a little hard to remonstrate when there was no free kick called and the game is still rolling.

 

[Nathan Barley]

There was a lot of talk most of this year that Mathieson and Lyons couldn't play in the same team.

Well now that Mathieson is starting to cement a spot Lyons seems to be going a bit better than he was when Mathieson wasn't there.

Not sure our form since Matho has returned has really done anything to shut down this theory. I'm sure they both played a big part in conceding 8 goals in a quarter on the weekend

 

[jonnobackpocket]

I enjoy our wins much more if I don’t come and read some of the shit in here. Has really spoilt brat feel about it. If you can’t enjoy beating those flogs Carlton there is something wrong. But but but percentage- spare me. If your only metric of success is to win the flag because some journalists said we should your going to be very dissatisfied nearly every year, maybe every year. On top that we win and posters input is but Carlton had players out , yet we were apparently pathetic for losing to Essendon with half our team out. Don’t get it.

 

[Nathan Barley]

I enjoy our wins much more if I don’t come and read some of the s**t in here. Has really spoilt brat feel about it. If you can’t enjoy beating those flogs Carlton there is something wrong. But but but percentage- spare me. If your only metric of success is to win the flag because some journalists said we should your going to be very dissatisfied nearly every year, maybe every year. On top that we win and posters input is but Carlton had players out , yet we were apparently pathetic for losing to Essendon with half our team out. Don’t get it.

I think you have to realise that you don't get all the context reading people's posts

 

[Lion_LegacyXL]

I enjoy our wins much more if I don’t come and read some of the s**t in here. Has really spoilt brat feel about it. If you can’t enjoy beating those flogs Carlton there is something wrong. But but but percentage- spare me. If your only metric of success is to win the flag because some journalists said we should your going to be very dissatisfied nearly every year, maybe every year. On top that we win and posters input is but Carlton had players out , yet we were apparently pathetic for losing to Essendon with half our team out. Don’t get it.

I remember last year after a Melbourne loss I'd read their gameday and review threads, the comments were full of overeactions you'd think their side was bottom 4 on the ladder the way posters would comment about their players, coach and gameplan. "Well it was fun while it lasted", "we're downhill skiiers" "we won't win a flag let alone a final", "we'll be lucky to win any of our remaining games", "Goodwin has no idea how to coach" ect.

 

[jonnobackpocket]

I think you have to realise that you don't get all the context reading people's posts

So what is it exactly I’m reading out of context. Please tell me.

 

[Big Sauce 21]

I generally stay away from the match threads. To me they are generally a hotbed of negativism and I try to keep as much negativity out of my life as I can. I get they display what fans are feeling at any particular time. What I don't get is the effort involved in typing it out. Sure when you're at the ground, voicing your pleasure/displeasure is as easy as using your voice. But posting in a match thread in a way that is generally just an expletive and not part of a specific conversation... you have to get your phone/PC out, go to the app/website and type something out. It takes effort that goes beyond an in-the-heat-of-the-moment exasperation.

What exactly are people trying to achieve? I'm genuinely not having a go, but I notice on the odd occasion I stick my head in a match thread that it tends to be the same posters who use them. So what is the attraction? What do you get out of them?

Welcome to the internet, Big Footy would be a boring place if we all said the same shit

 

[jonnobackpocket]

I remember last year after a Melbourne loss I'd read their gameday and review threads, the comments were full of overeactions you'd think their side was bottom 4 on the ladder the way posters would comment about their players, coach and gameplan. "Well it was fun while it lasted", "we're downhill skiiers" "we won't win a flag let alone a final", "we'll be lucky to win any of our remaining games", "Goodwin has no idea how to coach" ect.

Shows how bloody stupid it is.

 

[Nathan Barley]

So what is it exactly I’m reading out of context. Please tell me.

You can write negative posts without being miserable thinking everything is going wrong.

Supporters are holding the performances to a higher standard because we want to see the improvement required to be a credible premiership threat

And if you're providing context around why we smashed them in centre clearances it doesn't mean that you ignore the players we have missing in games

 

[Elixuh]

There was a lot of talk most of this year that Mathieson and Lyons couldn't play in the same team.

Well now that Mathieson is starting to cement a spot Lyons seems to be going a bit better than he was when Mathieson wasn't there.

The next two games will will be illustrative of its effectiveness and any potential shortcomings.

 

[jonnobackpocket]

You can write negative posts without being miserable thinking everything is going wrong.

Supporters are holding the performances to a higher standard because we want to see the improvement required to be a credible premiership threat

And if you're providing context around why we smashed them in centre clearances it doesn't mean that you ignore the players we have missing in games

Yeah but when 90% of your posts are negative excuse me for thinking the outlook is constantly negative. No- your looking for anything to pick shit at the win, but when shoe was on the other foot and we lost half the team to Covid we were still supposed to run all over the opposition. Your one of the worse if not the worse for it so going to end this here because not starting the week with this rubbish and you defending everything that negative.

 

[lioninthesand]

That may turn out to be an accurate assessment, but at this stage I still maintain anything is possible. I've seen enough footy to know the form can be turned on at the right time and our best displayed for long enough is good enough.

I understand that some wish to draw a line through the season to save themselves pain. But football, as with life, is full of possibilities.

Oh yeah, I am not saying there is zero chance we grab a flag this year, however unlikely based on current form.

I meant given up on our ‘flag credentials’ or assessing us purely on ‘can we win a flag’. Not meaning I absolutely put a line through us.

I’ve assessed where we are at and I’m using a measure of ‘I’d love us to win a final’ at this point and marking againts that.

Win one.. the rest comes down to timing and a bit of luck, but we haven’t really set our selves up to be in control of our footballing destiny this year like sone other teams.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Yeah but when 90% of your posts are negative excuse me for thinking the outlook is constantly negative. No- your looking for anything to pick s**t at the win, but when shoe was on the other foot and we lost half the team to Covid we were still supposed to run all over the opposition. Your one of the worse if not the worse for it so going to end this here because not starting the week with this rubbish and you defending everything that negative.

I think we're seeing confirmation bias at play here. Pretty confident I run closer to 50:50

 

[Iron Turtle]

Silly question - I noticed for the first time this game that there are small names on the back of the guernseys. Any one know how long they have been there and what the names represent?



Notice the name doesn't appear on Lyons

 

[martinson]

The next two games will will be illustrative of its effectiveness and any potential shortcomings.

Well I think the last 2 have too.

Obviously it's not ideal but at this point likely the best option we have.

I wasn't indicating it was anything great ,just that Matho is cementing a spot ,which most doubted he ever would ,and Lyons is going well enough now to shut up those who wanted to drop him.

Which is an improvement on where we were before Matho came in.

Be interesting to see how they go if Oliver, Petracca and Viney get to work.

 

[Elixuh]

Well I think the last 2 have too.

Obviously it's not ideal but at this point likely the best option we have.

I wasn't indicating it was anything great ,just that Matho is cementing a spot ,which most doubted he ever would ,and Lyons is going well enough now to shut up those who wanted to drop him.

Which is an improvement on where we were before Matho came in.

Be interesting to see how they go if Oliver, Petracca and Viney get to work.

I don’t think it’s a long term combo for us but is about the best we can do for the remainder of the season.

 

[martinson]

I think we're seeing confirmation bias at play here. Pretty confident I run closer to 50:50

I'll back you up there Nathan. You give your honest thoughts. Sometimes you're a bit critical but why else would we be here. You also hand out some praise.

 

[mpal6]

Silly question - I noticed for the first time this game that there are small names on the back of the guernseys. Any one know how long they have been there and what the names represent?

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Notice the name doesn't appear on Lyons

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Members were selected in lucky dip I think and their name got imprinted in players guernsey for last round.

Not sure if that's going to happen for next round but pretty special moment for those who got selected.

 

[martinson]

I have a confession to make.

The overwhelmingly negative posts don't annoy me at all. Just laugh at them.

I don't know that there is anyone that is consistently negative every time but some people are just a bit like that in anything to do with their life.

And sometimes there's a morsel of truth there.

If they have a negative outlook on the club let them have it. If you're positive and enjoy the experience why worry what others think.

 

[p4p1]

It’s a little hard to remonstrate when there was no free kick called and the game is still rolling.

But a couple of guys did get straight into Cripps. To say there was no remonstration is bullshit.