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[Coobk001]

By the end of minor round 2022.

Source - AFL Tables

3rd most games coached, all time, to have not made a GF
1st most games coached, at a single club, to have not made a GF
8th most games coached, all time, to have not won a premiership.
2nd most games coached, at a single club, to have not won a premiership

 

[Workingclass]

Did some quick and dirty stats. It's quite telling to be honest. These are calculations based on where the opponent was ranked at the start of the round (so excludes Round 1 and Finals).

Clearly, the damning stat is with the exception of 2014 and 2020, we play finals on the back of beating more B10 vs T8 teams.

 

[Coobk001]

I forgot one, and mainly because it is such an obvious one, one that our club never really would've accepted before it turned piss weak.

1st most games coached at PAFC to have not won a premiership

 

[Coobk001]

Did some quick and dirty stats. It's quite telling to be honest. These are calculations based on where the opponent was ranked at the start of the round (so excludes Round 1 and Finals).

Clearly, the damning stat is with the exception of 2014 and 2020, we play finals on the back of beating more B10 vs T8 teams.

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Calculations should only factor on where a team finished. Not where they were at the start of a round.

You could lose the first 3, and still finish top and but then you wouldn't categorise any of those early season games as having been played against a top 8 side. Which wouldn't be right.

 

[bomberclifford]

Calculations should only factor on where a team finished. Not where they were at the start of a round.

You could lose the first 3, and still finish top and but then you wouldn't categorise any of those early season games as having been played against a top 8 side. Which wouldn't be right.

Agree with this. It also throws up rubbish stats for the first 5-6 rounds.

 

[Traveling_Power]

Couldn’t be bothered having a look to see if this was done yet, but this one is pretty straight forward.

Coaches with most games and zero flags
Rodney Eade 377
John Northey 315
Ross Lyon 305
Bob Rose 282
Terry Wallace 247
Gary Ayres 223
Neale Daniher 223
Nathan Buckley 218
Brad Scott 211
Ken Hinkley 203

Of those coaches only 3 haven’t made a GF
Terry Wallace
Brad Scott
Ken Hinkley

Excluding finals, should Ken see out his contract he’ll have 247 games total

To me, rewarding a club employee with contract extensions, while the very real and likely possibility of falling short loomed, given our trajection, is proof enough that for a while now our club hasn’t been any more different than the ‘plastic franchises,’ we like to air superiority over.

In my opinion, harking back to long dead club ethos like ‘we exist to win premierships,’ makes me squirm and is like a loose propagation of confirmation bias that robs from the legacy of a club we no longer are ideologically. The club has lost its balls and I won’t be renewing until it shows that it has found them.

Maybe a bit dramatic, but seeing Melbourne win burnt me, and I didn’t expect it to. All I could think about was how 10 years ago at AO we were both rubbish and we barely beat them to avoid the spoon, they looked dogshit while we turned it around some time after, and they still beat us to a flag. F*****g shameful.

has any one got a list of assistant coaches that Ken has had while being senior coach who ended up leaving ?

and a list of players who has come to the club and since gone ?

 

[malcheski]

Since 2013 every teams record vs top 8 sides as at the end of the H&A year. Who is the odd one out?

 

[Del165198]

ken doesnt just go GOALLESS all the time. Sometimes he goes big. Real big.

Ken Hinkley SCORELESS QUARTERS

We have recorded 11 scoreless quarters in our AFL existence. Two in dark days of 2011. One in our first season of 1997. Big Kenny has 5 on his own.

0 (0.0)​	Q4​	Port Adelaide	5.1 7.5 12.7 12.7​	79​	Fremantle	3.2 8.4 12.6 15.10​	100​	Perth Stadium​	R13, 2019​
0 (0.0)​	Q1​	Port Adelaide	0.0 2.3 5.7 6.13​	49​	Hawthorn	4.1 6.2 9.5 12.8​	80​	York Park​	R10, 2019​
0 (0.0)​	Q2​	Port Adelaide	2.3 2.3 4.6 7.8​	50​	Fremantle	1.0 1.7 5.10 8.11​	59​	Perth Stadium​	R17, 2018​
0 (0.0)​	Q3​	Port Adelaide	3.6 8.9 8.9 13.12​	90​	Carlton	5.0 6.2 8.7 10.9​	69​	M.C.G.​	R15, 2018​
0 (0.0)​	Q1​	Port Adelaide	0.0 2.3 3.6 4.9​	33​	Sydney	6.5 9.10 14.14 14.16​	100​	S.C.G.​	R20, 2016​

Ken also has a bonus 6 ONE BEHIND QUARTERS

1 (0.1)​	Q1​	Port Adelaide	0.1 2.3 4.8 8.11​	59​	Collingwood	3.1 4.6 6.9 8.10​	58​	M.C.G.​	R10, 2021​
1 (0.1)​	Q3​	Port Adelaide	4.3 8.3 8.4 11.7​	73​	Sydney	3.1 3.1 5.4 7.5​	47​	Adelaide Oval​	R14, 2020​
1 (0.1)​	Q1​	Port Adelaide	0.1 1.6 3.7 4.7​	31​	Geelong	2.3 4.3 7.7 14.7​	91​	Carrara​	R12, 2020​
1 (0.1)​	Q2​	Port Adelaide	5.2 5.3 6.6 9.7​	61​	Hawthorn	1.2 5.3 7.7 9.10​	64​	York Park​	R11, 2018​
1 (0.1)​	Q4​	Port Adelaide	4.2 8.8 11.14 11.15​	81​	Greater Western Sydney	4.5 8.7 11.10 16.16​	112​	Manuka Oval​	R4, 2017​
1 (0.1)​	Q4​	Port Adelaide	8.2 12.4 15.8 15.9​	99​	Hawthorn	1.2 3.7 8.9 13.13​	91​	Adelaide Oval​	R4, 2015​

Ken also has the record for least points in any half of footy. Beating the previous record set in 2011 (Which we are told to remember because imagine if we didn't have Ken??)

Least Points In Any Half
5 (0.5)​	H1​	Port Adelaide	0.3 0.5 1.8 4.12​	36​	Melbourne	1.3 6.6 9.7 10.8​	68​	Adelaide Oval​	R4, 2022​

 

[Pt Augusta Power]

ZERO ruckmen developed in 10 years.

ZERO kpd’s developed in 10 years.

 

[GoPorts]

Anyone willing to calculate the win percentage in games decided under 2 goals?

 

[Coobk001]

Anyone willing to calculate the win percentage in games decided under 2 goals?

I had it in the initial post. Just needs to be extrapolated for a couple more years of results.

 

[Long live PAFC]

Since 2013 every teams record vs top 8 sides as at the end of the H&A year. Who is the odd one out?


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Amazing because Richmond has only bee good since about 2016, Collingwood have spiralled down then up, Freo has been a non entity since 2013, GWS had three good seasons, yet all have a similar record.

Geelong and WC are pumped up by the home ground advantage but they, Hawthorn and Sydney all show what is achievable.

 

[GoPorts]

I had it in the initial post. Just needs to be extrapolated for a couple more years of results.

Thanks, just saw that 30% win rate at that time and would be less this year.

 

[afl2004]

Since 2013 every teams record vs top 8 sides as at the end of the H&A year. Who is the odd one out?


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Collingwood only had 3 good years in that time while we made 3 preliminary finals

 

[Long live PAFC]

Wonder what the stat would be for wins/losses against an under manned opposition side that we should beat? Or a team we have every reason to beat?

 

[GremioPower]

CLOSE GAMES RECORD (12pts or fewer)



2013, 2020, and 2021 are the only seasons with more wins than losses.

In the other SEVEN seasons, we had a losing record.

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P.S.: In R3 2022, the actual difference was -4.

 

[Coobk001]

CLOSE GAMES RECORD (12pts or fewer)

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2013, 2020, and 2021 are the only seasons with more wins than losses.

In the other SEVEN seasons, we had a losing record.

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P.S.: In R3 2022, the actual difference was -4.

What's WLK and the -44 diff in 2022?

In 2019 the stats I generated were:

But these stats were from 2015 onwards.

The cliff at the end of 2014 was a clear turning point. Hinkley had got us some initial gains but we had blown our premiership favouritism in 2015, so I feel like that as the first year of failure is the most appropriate time to begin assessing him from.

 

[GremioPower]

What's WLK and the -44 diff in 2022?

In 2019 the stats I generated were:View attachment 1480243

WLK = West Lakes

It was supposed to be -4. The final score was:

W. Lakes, 15.6:96
Port, 13.14:92

 

[tribey]

Port 200+ Gamers to Retire without a senior Premiership (1870-2022):

1. Justin Westhoff

39

Justin Westhoff

Age

38

Ht

199cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.4

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

4.1

4star

T

1.9

4star

CL

0.8

3star

D

10.4

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

3.4

2star

M

4.1

4star

T

1.9

3star

CL

0.8

3star

D

12.0

3star

K

8.4

4star

HB

3.6

3star

M

4.6

5star

T

2.2

4star

CL

0.8

3star

2. Robbie Gray

9

Robbie Gray

Age

36

Ht

183cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.9

5star

K

9.8

4star

HB

10.1

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.4

5star

D

13.3

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

7.3

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.6

4star

D

10.4

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.4

4star

G

1.4

5star

Port 200+ Gamers to Retire without a senior Grand Final appearance (1870-2022):

1. Robbie Gray

9

Robbie Gray

Age

36

Ht

183cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.9

5star

K

9.8

4star

HB

10.1

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.4

5star

D

13.3

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

7.3

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.6

4star

D

10.4

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.4

4star

G

1.4

5star

 

[Janus]

CLOSE GAMES RECORD (12pts or fewer)

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2013, 2020, and 2021 are the only seasons with more wins than losses.

In the other SEVEN seasons, we had a losing record.

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P.S.: In R3 2022, the actual difference was -4.

So when we play away from home:

30 games - 9 wins, 21 losses (30% win rate)

And when we play at home:

28 games - 15 wins, 13 losses (53.6% win rate)

What's WLK and the -44 diff in 2022?

In 2019 the stats I generated were:View attachment 1480243

But these stats were from 2015 onwards.

The cliff at the end of 2014 was a clear turning point. Hinkley had got us some initial gains but we had blown our premiership favouritism in 2015, so I feel like that as the first year of failure is the most appropriate time to begin assessing him from.

Cool.

When we play away from home, since 2015:

20 games - 6 wins, 14 losses (30% win rate)

When we play at home:

23 games - 12 wins, 11 losses (52.2% win rate)

All these stats tell me is that a) home ground advantage is a real thing when it comes to a close game and b) Port doesn't get the same leg up that other teams do in those games, since our win rate is only a little over 50% whereas other teams win rate against us in close games at their home ground is 70%.

 

[PortWTF]

Requesting a Flat Track Bully table, all clubs vs final bottom 4 since 2013. I reckon Port would be at or near the top.

 

[jonasshirtfront]

So when we play away from home:

30 games - 9 wins, 21 losses (30% win rate)

And when we play at home:

28 games - 15 wins, 13 losses (53.6% win rate)



Cool.

When we play away from home, since 2015:

20 games - 6 wins, 14 losses (30% win rate)

When we play at home:

23 games - 12 wins, 11 losses (52.2% win rate)

All these stats tell me is that a) home ground advantage is a real thing when it comes to a close game and b) Port doesn't get the same leg up that other teams do in those games, since our win rate is only a little over 50% whereas other teams win rate against us in close games at their home ground is 70%.

That Home v Away split is very interesting. I'd be interested in seeing the numbers broken down by margins at 3/4 time. It's felt like since that early Ken bubble we've had a lot of those comebacks where we're 4-5 goals down late in the third and get it back to under 2 goals before jussssst failing to get there. That would inflate the losses in close games stat for games that actually weren't that close, we just made it respectable with a fake comeback.

 

[jonasshirtfront]

All these stats tell me is that a) home ground advantage is a real thing when it comes to a close game and b) Port doesn't get the same leg up that other teams do in those games, since our win rate is only a little over 50% whereas other teams win rate against us in close games at their home ground is 70%.

To me that sounds more like the thing that tribey's always banging on about: that we seem to melt under expectation. Considering our total 58.5ish% win rate under Ken you'd expect the close game stats to be better than that, especially at home. We're worse in a close home game than we are in a general randomly selected game home or away.

 

[Capital Power]

Port 200+ Gamers to Retire without a senior Premiership (1870-2022):

1. Justin Westhoff
2. Robbie Gray

Port 200+ Gamers to Retire without a senior Grand Final appearance (1870-2022):

1. Robbie Gray

... and Westhoff's GF was in his rookie year 2007. I have his match worn .

 

[Janus]

That Home v Away split is very interesting. I'd be interested in seeing the numbers broken down by margins at 3/4 time. It's felt like since that early Ken bubble we've had a lot of those comebacks where we're 4-5 goals down late in the third and get it back to under 2 goals before jussssst failing to get there. That would inflate the losses in close games stat for games that actually weren't that close, we just made it respectable with a fake comeback.

Set your faces to stun:

2015 vs Fremantle (A) - leading by 3 at 3/4 time (lost by 7)
2015 v North Melbourne (A) - leading by 8 at 3/4 time (won by 8)
2015 v Hawthorn (H) - leading by 41 at 3/4 time (won by 8)
2015 v West Coast (H) - trailing by 5 at 3/4 time (lost by 10)
2015 v Carlton (A) - trailing by 23 at 3/4 time (lost by 4)
2015 v Sydney (A) - trailing by 24 at 3/4 time (lost by 10)
2015 v Collingwood (H) - leading by 11 at 3/4 time (won by 3)
2015 v Adelaide (H) - trailing by 30 at 3/4 time (lost by 3) - this was the Phil Walsh tribute game

2016 v Carlton (A) - leading by 5 at 3/4 time (lost by 2)
2016 v West Coast (H) - trailing by 19 at 3/4 time (lost by 8)
2016 v Western Bulldogs (H) - leading by 9 at 3/4 time (lost by 3)

2017 v West Coast (H) - trailing by 21 at 3/4 time (lost by 10)
2017 v Geelong (A) - trailing by 5 at 3/4 time (lost by 2) - this was the Dixon game
2017 v St Kilda (H) - leading by 7 at 3/4 time (won by 2) - the Ryder2Gray game
2017 v West Coast (H - EF) - trailing by 3 at 3/4 time (lost by 2)

2018 v Brisbane (H) - leading by 18 at 3/4 time (won by 5)
2018 v Adelaide (H) - leading by 12 at 3/4 time (won by 5) - Stevie Motlop, what a tiiimmeee!
2018 v Hawthorn (A) - trailing by 7 at 3/4 time (lost by 3)
2018 v Melbourne (H) - trailing by 8 at 3/4 time (won by 10)
2018 v Fremantle (A) - trailing by 10 at 3/4 time (lost by 9)
2018 v Adelaide (A) - leading by 1 at 3/4 time (lost by 3) - the Jenkins 'fib goal that wasn't' game
2018 v West Coast (H) - leading by 15 at 3/4 time (lost by 4) - the 'Dixon breaks his leg' game

2019 v Richmond (H) - trailing by 2 at 3/4 time (lost by 7) - 'We've got a long way to go to be as good as Richmond'
2019 v Geelong (H) - leading by 9 at 3/4 time (won by 11)
2019 v GWS (H) - trailing by 10 at 3/4 time (lost by 1)

2020 v Carlton (A) - draw at 3/4 time (won by 3)
2020 v Hawthorn (H) - draw at 3/4 time (won by 10)
2020 v Richmond (H - PF) - trailing by 2 at 3/4 time (lost by 6)

2021 v Richmond (H) - leading by 11 at 3/4 time (won by 2)
2021 v Collingwood (A) - trailing by 13 at 3/4 time (won by 1)
2021 v Sydney (H) - leading by 15 at 3/4 time (won by 10)
2021 v Adelaide (A) - trailing by 10 at 3/4 time (won by 4)
2021 v Western Bulldogs (A) - trailing by 11 at 3/4 time (won by 2)

2022 v Brisbane (A) - leading by 15 at 3/4 time (lost by 11)
2022 v Adelaide (A) - leading by 13 at 3/4 time (lost by 4)
2022 v Carlton (A) - trailing by 17 at 3/4 time (lost by 3)
2022 v St Kilda (A) - trailing by 1 at 3/4 time (won by 1)
2022 v Richmond (A) - trailing by 1 at 3/4 time (lost by 12)
2022 v Gold Coast (H) - leading by 13 at 3/4 time (won by 2)
2022 v Fremantle (A) - trailing by 34 at 3/4 time (lost by 8)
2022 v Geelong (H) - leading by 7 at 3/4 time (lost by 12)
2022 v Collingwood (A) - trailing by 17 at 3/4 time (lost by 6)

6 times we've been down by 4+ goals at 3/4 time and did the false rally thing. The other 19 matches we lost, we genuinely had a shot to win and it could have gone either way.