Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 5 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[immortalmike]

This year Garcia played 7 games and averaged 10 disposals, 0.7 clearances and 1.1 tackles and 4.8 contested possessions.

At the same age McLean played 19 games and averaged 22 disposals, 3 clearances, 4.5 tackles and 8.9 contested possessions. And that wasn’t even McLean’s best year.

We’ll be lucky if Garcia even gets close to peak McLean. Personally don’t see it happening, but I’m not going to write him off either.

Tobias was a superstar in the making.
Short memories in here.
Hope he recovers like Libba.

 

[TiAn_]

Tobias was a superstar in the making.
Short memories in here.
Hope he recovers like Libba.

He was a genuine gun as a full time mid his fourth year. Bit of a victim of being at this team with this midfield.

Would love to see Garcia match him, and maybe he will, but he’s still a fair way off atm.

 

[doggies ftw]

He was a genuine gun as a full time mid his fourth year. Bit of a victim of being at this team with this midfield.

Would love to see Garcia match him, and maybe he will, but he’s still a fair way off atm.

Garcias coming off some serious injuries himself so a bit unfair to compare at that stage of their careers considering Garcia hasnt really had the opportunity to get going yet but McLean started strong but then was obviously cut down by injuries

I’m a big big fan of both, i think these two are pretty close in talent levels IMO but very very different players - both have/had the potential be very solid B+ 200 game players without ever being superstars IMO

Hopefully Toby gets back to his best or better, Libbas shown it’s possible. I’d love Toby on a fwd flank or I still think he could be a Doc/Matty Boyd type player tbh and would like to see him tried there. Think he has all the attributes you want back there and he hates to be beaten

 

[Lex22]

This year Garcia played 7 games and averaged 10 disposals, 0.7 clearances and 1.1 tackles and 4.8 contested possessions.

At the same age McLean played 19 games and averaged 22 disposals, 3 clearances, 4.5 tackles and 8.9 contested possessions. And that wasn’t even McLean’s best year.

We’ll be lucky if Garcia even gets close to peak McLean. Personally don’t see it happening, but I’m not going to write him off either.

Meh, no offence, I don’t take much notice when someone goes back to raw stats to compare developing players under these scenarios. There’s way too many other factors at play.

I’m confident Garcia will be better than McLean ever threatened to be, albeit in a different role.

Has a higher ceiling IMO.

 

[TiAn_]

Meh, no offence, I don’t take much notice when someone goes back to raw stats to compare developing players under these scenarios. There’s way too many other factors at play.

I’m confident Garcia will be better than McLean ever threatened to be, albeit in a different role.

Has a higher ceiling IMO.

I prefer to use my eyes too, which tell me Garcia has a fair bit to do to equal McLean, let alone be a level above as you put it, as he’s not as proficient in traffic as McLean was, his kicking (not a strong suit for McLean) is worse and he hasn’t demonstrated the defensive instincts or inclination McLean had.

But when the statistical comp is so stark it’s a real time saver.

Would be brilliant for us if Garcia became even equal to the player McLean was. McLean was very good.

 

[The Inbetweener]

Would you guys cop Port’s future first for Dunkley? Seems about right. They bank on going back to top 5 so the pick is around 15. We bank on them being no good again and it being around 10

 

[Claudonious]

Here’s the full article

DOES DUNKLEY MAKE THE MOVE?

Josh Dunkley

5

Josh Dunkley

Age

27

Ht

191cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.8

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

11.3

5star

M

4.3

4star

T

5.8

5star

CL

3.2

5star

D

20.7

5star

K

7.0

3star

HB

13.7

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

5.3

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

14.2

4star

K

7.2

3star

HB

7.0

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

4.0

5star

CL

1.4

4star

famously tried to get to Essendon at the end of 2020 but a trade fell through.

Now two years on, and out of contract in 2022, there’s plenty of interest in the Bulldog.

7NEWS reporter Tom Browne says a move to South Australia could be on the cards for Dunkley.

“Port have certainly registered interest in Dunkley,” he said on Triple M.

“It’s my understanding Dunkley wants up to a five-year deal and he’s 50-50 at the moment on staying at the Bulldogs.
He also obviously wants big money and the Bulldogs are constrained by where their list is at and things like that.

“Port have certainly registered interest.”

Dunkley’s partner, Adelaide Thunderbirds netballer Tippah Dwan, remains in South Australia for at least another year.

…..”and things like that”

Oh yeah , like what? Tommy boy knows dads in high places. It’s like the Tommy boy movie - although Tommy Boy was a decent bloke, albeit a bit challenged.

Fat Guy in a little coat - you tube it


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[doggy_dog]

Would you guys cop Port’s future first for Dunkley? Seems about right. They bank on going back to top 5 so the pick is around 15. We bank on them being no good again and it being around 10

No, definite unders IMO. Needs to be their current first plus. There’s plenty of precedent for similar trades

 

[Charlie Bucket]

Would you guys cop Port’s future first for Dunkley? Seems about right. They bank on going back to top 5 so the pick is around 15. We bank on them being no good again and it being around 10

Nup. Tell em they’re dreaming.

If we lose Dunks, we better be going as hard as we possibly can for the best return we can. A mid/late 1st rounder is way unders. Top 10 pick at a minimum. Has to be, or our list managers are a bunch of hacks.

I hope the club’s willing to threatened to let him go to the pre season draft (if that’s possible ) if his suitors are low balling us.

 

[blagodellago]

I watched young Garcia’s kicking closely in the last vfl game and noticed that every time he kicked on the left he shanked it, but his right was always hitting the mark. Small sample size, but I found it encouraging. At this point in his career, I’m glad he’s consistently using his left when it’s the better option. This kid will be a player. Has some of that special sauce.


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[blagodellago]

And FFS sign West already.


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[josh the gent]

Would you guys cop Port’s future first for Dunkley? Seems about right. They bank on going back to top 5 so the pick is around 15. We bank on them being no good again and it being around 10

It could work for their future first, plus 2022 second - and we give a 3rd back…

 

[The Inbetweener]

These are similar comparisons for a potential Dunkley trade, overall it’s a mixed bag. His age vs the ones below will be a factor as well

Dion Prestia

3

Dion Prestia

Age

32

Ht

175cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

24.1

5star

K

12.7

5star

HB

11.4

5star

M

3.1

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

4.6

5star

D

21.2

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

10.8

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

4.2

5star

CL

3.2

4star

D

12.8

4star

K

6.0

3star

HB

6.8

5star

M

3.2

4star

T

3.0

5star

CL

1.4

4star

- 2 years younger than Dunkley at time of trade.
Pick 8 and future 2nd
Prestia and pick 24
So essentially Prestia and an upgrade of 2nd rounders for pick 8

Adam Cerra - 3 years younger
Pick 6 and future 3rd
Cerra
Not sure what Carlton were thinking here.

Adam Saad

42

Adam Saad

Age

30

Ht

178cm

Wt

79kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.5

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

7.5

5star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.7

4star

MG

349.1

5star

D

20.7

5star

K

12.0

5star

HB

8.7

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.4

3star

MG

388.3

5star

D

17.6

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

7.2

5star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.2

3star

- same age
Pick 8, 87
Saad, 48,78
So 8 and a downgrade of 4th rounders for Saad and a 3rd rounder

Saad may be the most comparable based on age so if we want their pick 8, we may need to be the ones adding something rather than the other way around.

 

[Lex22]

I prefer to use my eyes too, which tell me Garcia has a fair bit to do to equal McLean, let alone be a level above as you put it, as he’s not as proficient in traffic as McLean was, his kicking (not a strong suit for McLean) is worse and he hasn’t demonstrated the defensive instincts or inclination McLean had.

But when the statistical comp is so stark it’s a real time saver.

Would be brilliant for us if Garcia became even equal to the player McLean was. McLean was very good.

We’re light years apart in Garcia appraisals, I’m very confident he’ll have McLean’s measure in some of the attributes you mentioned.

Each to their own.

 

[Lex22]

These are similar comparisons for a potential Dunkley trade, overall it’s a mixed bag. His age vs the ones below will be a factor as well

Dion Prestia - 2 years younger than Dunkley at time of trade.
Pick 8 and future 2nd
Prestia and pick 24
So essentially Prestia and an upgrade of 2nd rounders for pick 8

Adam Cerra - 3 years younger
Pick 6 and future 3rd
Cerra
Not sure what Carlton were thinking here.

Adam Saad - same age
Pick 8, 87
Saad, 48,78
So 8 and a downgrade of 4th rounders for Saad and a 3rd rounder

Saad may be the most comparable based on age so if we want their pick 8, we may need to be the ones adding something rather than the other way around.

Cerra is the most relevant on that scale and Dunks is a hell of a lot more proven than him.

1st rounder and decent pick upgrade/good set of steak knives, that seems the consensus for Dunks worth.

 

[Golden_6]

Cerra is the most relevant on that scale and Dunks is a hell of a lot more proven than him.

1st rounder and decent pick upgrade/good set of steak knives, that seems the consensus for Dunks worth.

Shiel is another comparison (same age) and he went for 2 x 1st rounders with a second going back the other way. Sounds about right.

 

[The Inbetweener]

Cerra is the most relevant on that scale and Dunks is a hell of a lot more proven than him.

1st rounder and decent pick upgrade/good set of steak knives, that seems the consensus for Dunks worth.

Cerra 3 years younger though. Reckon Blues massively overpaid too IMO.

 

[Lex22]

Cerra 3 years younger though. Reckon Blues massively overpaid too IMO.

Yeah, fair point regarding age, I was just pointing to the most recent and another mid, those Saad roles, as we’ve seen with JJ, can be tricky to value as those guys can fall off a cliff/be much easier to nullify then say Dunks.

I liked what Cerra was promising to be at Freo, but by geez, what happened to his kicking?

Carlton, I guess feel they have to pay overs given their terrible track record at the draft/recruiting.

 

[bobs head soup]

These are similar comparisons for a potential Dunkley trade, overall it’s a mixed bag. His age vs the ones below will be a factor as well

Dion Prestia - 2 years younger than Dunkley at time of trade.
Pick 8 and future 2nd
Prestia and pick 24
So essentially Prestia and an upgrade of 2nd rounders for pick 8

Adam Cerra - 3 years younger
Pick 6 and future 3rd
Cerra
Not sure what Carlton were thinking here.

Adam Saad - same age
Pick 8, 87
Saad, 48,78
So 8 and a downgrade of 4th rounders for Saad and a 3rd rounder

Saad may be the most comparable based on age so if we want their pick 8, we may need to be the ones adding something rather than the other way around.

The key thing with Dunks though is that he is out of contract. We're the above comparisons players with years left on a contract?

 

[The Inbetweener]

The key thing with Dunks though is that he is out of contract. We're the above comparisons players with years left on a contract?

All were out of contract

 

[Charlie Bucket]

 

[Southern 8]

If Bergman wants back to Vic like rumoured, what’s his value? Early second, late first maybe. I wouldn’t mind him but Port could get another pick there for Dunks trade if he were to want out. My gut feel though is Dunkley stays. Wouldn’t want to put to much money on it though.

 

[Here we go dogs]

If he nominates Port we don’t have much negotiation power as he’s out of contract. A fair deal, not a great deal, is about as good as we can hope for. Hopefully Dunkley understands we need a fair trade.
The Amon compo pick is far from a fair deal.

Yes we do, west coast have suggested they will use there pick on rankine if crows don’t strike a deal. They will do the same thing for dunks.

 

[ScragCity]

I get that everyone on here are passionate doggies supporters and while I don't post much I do enjoy reading the banter and emotional posts. The reality is the list management team and recruiters regarding the draft are highly regarded and our backend support like Ameet Bains and Sam Power have legal backgrounds. The crossover in all businesses is real and the club is in a great position off the ground! The reality is challenges will always come up but we currently the team behind the scenes that we know who can take care of anything that eventuates. If Dunkley leaves "it is what it is" and we will probably take the best defender in the draft as we do not have any real young key defenders to develop ie above 195cms. Btw Darcy is long term a forward I think we can all accept that with a smile The club has acknowledged this year our key defence is a problem and needs to be addressed.

But back to my main point... I am not sure why you all guess what the trade details will be when you have no idea which team the player is going too and which players clubs just want to offload to free up salary and give the player another chance at another club. Not many trades this day and age are an unknown quantity to clubs and clubs have already began discussions about different scenarios. The domino effect is across all clubs and once we know re Dunkley the domino effect will take affect with West etc etc etc.. the reality is the club have signed everyone they really want except Dunkley but they would have scenarios in play ready for whatever eventuates. I mean when you have multiple lawyers behind the scenes they are not going to be like supporters "ie us" and rambling on about bollocks. So lets all wait to see what plays out and let all the support staff do what they do best and plug the wholes on our list as best they can. Many of us played football at some level so we know some years you do not click and some do! Since 2015 Bevo has got us to finals 6 out of 8 years and 2 grand finals so he is a legend in my eyes.

So keep pumping out the posts as I enjoy reading them but please just remember they team behind the dogs have a lot more experience than us, have proven results and are a lot smarter than 99% of us.

Well, reading this post is two minutes of my life that I'll never get back. What a completely pointless load of drivel.

 

[doggies ftw]

Yep unless he’s happy to go to Norf or WC then the likes of Port, Richmond etc have just as much bargaining power as we do. I’ve said it before but teams generally don’t rip each other off itll get done for around market value.