Recruiting AFL Draft Watch 2022 - Tsatas, Hayes, Davey x2, Munkara & Montgomerie

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[The Prosecutor]

The two bigger midfielders I like that will be top 10. They are different to what we have. I have no issues if we went Cadman or Sheezal or even Clarke. We have a few spots we can fill.

Humphrey?

 

[Vindicater]

Any teams have father sons upcoming in the 2023 draft eDPS

 

[ant555]

Humphrey?

Would be in the mix. Just like the other two a little better. Like I have said a few times. There are several options that would work. Would be nice to have 6 7 8 this year. If Mahoney sticks to his Melbourne formula the Humphrey fits the bill. Blue Collar leader.

 

[Ants]

So 1 more than my updated line of 8.5

9 wins this year gets you pick 6

I think 9 wins would be seen as a positive for us next year right now

Which, still isn't the pick #3-#5 you quoted. And 9 wins often gets you slightly higher than that, 10 certainly does.

I don't think clubs would be pricing our F1 as a pick #3-#5. They'll say #6-#10. And I think they'd be correct.

 

[Ants]

not sure if there's a tool online but I think what happens is 22 is absorbed and 40 moves back a bit if the bid comes at that point, but should be enough for Jayden
So its 5 + Davey x2 & maybe Munkara unless we trade up

We can trade #22 back if necessary. If Davey does go about #14 or so then we need a couple of early 30's picks. If Brisbane has earlier picks which have been used up our picks might become more valuable. We really want to make a call on whether to trade back during trade week when we may get better value.

Munkara may not be drafted in the ND. In which case we could add him as a Cat B.

Probably an unpopular opinion but I’d trade out.

Trade the 2nd for a future 2nd and maybe a 3rd from a club that backs itself. Match the Davey bid with shrapnel and if anything does take our fancy in the second round we trade back in.

New coach will again need 2023 to assess exactly what he has, better to give him the warchest next year.

If Davey goes where Twomey has him, we need more points than just our third. At least one, maybe two other thirds.

I'd say where our list is at, we lack match winners. Players who will take over a game and put us on their shoulders.

Screw going safe, we did that with McGrath and look where that left us.

A 100 game quality player?

Looks like it will be close to that range.

Let's hope Davey does the father-son/NGA slider where they drift back a few spots from the expected position!

 

[The Prosecutor]

We can trade #22 back if necessary. If Davey does go about #14 or so then we need a couple of early 30's picks. If Brisbane has earlier picks which have been used up our picks might become more valuable. We really want to make a call on whether to trade back during trade week when we may get better value.

We can't, the AFL outlawed this after Sydney pulled this stunt.

 

[Lore]

We can't, the AFL outlawed this after Sydney pulled this stunt.

You can still live trade during a bid matching period, and you can still trade out and back in.

What you can’t do is trade a pick back to the club you got it from, and you can only have as many picks as you have open list spots.

 

[Ants]

We can't, the AFL outlawed this after Sydney pulled this stunt.

Incorrect. They changed it post-Heeney so you couldn't use unlimited late picks to match. But what you can still do is use late picks, as long as you have a list spot to match against the picks.

Additionally, they also relaxed that restriction during COVID. I'm not aware that they've changed it back, although they may have.

So how does it work now?
If we say have plans to take 4 players (#4, 2x Daveys and Munkara). Then when Davey is bid on, we'd have 3 empty list spots. Then we could hold three 3rd round picks (against the list spots for both Daveys and Munkara) and use those to match.

If we have an additional list spot we could have four 3rd round picks to pay for the players. We just need at least one open list spot for every pick we want to use to match bids with.

 

[The Prosecutor]

Incorrect. They changed it post-Heeney so you couldn't use unlimited late picks to match. But what you can still do is use late picks, as long as you have a list spot to match against the picks.

Additionally, they also relaxed that restriction during COVID. I'm not aware that they've changed it back, although they may have.

So how does it work now?
If we say have plans to take 4 players (#4, 2x Daveys and Munkara). Then when Davey is bid on, we'd have 3 empty list spots. Then we could hold three 3rd round picks (against the list spots for both Daveys and Munkara) and use those to match.

If we have an additional list spot we could have four 3rd round picks to pay for the players. We just need at least one open list spot for every pick we want to use to match bids with.

I think we crossed wires here. I thought you meant trade 22 back as in 'trade 22 to WC and then after we've matched the bid, trade 22 back to us', such as Sydney did with Blakey a few years ago, which the AFL has now outlawed.

 

[Ants]

I think we crossed wires here. I thought you meant trade 22 back as in 'trade 22 to WC and then after we've matched the bid, trade 22 back to us', such as Sydney did with Blakey a few years ago, which the AFL has now outlawed.

Ah, no. I meant trade our second back for multiple thirds.

No problemo, crossed-wires happens!

 

[Ants]

I think we crossed wires here. I thought you meant trade 22 back as in 'trade 22 to WC and then after we've matched the bid, trade 22 back to us', such as Sydney did with Blakey a few years ago, which the AFL has now outlawed.

Actually, what it really shows is how often Sydney pulls stunts! You raised the one from 2019, I thought you were talking about Heeney in 2015!

 

[Red Black and Blue]

I think we crossed wires here. I thought you meant trade 22 back as in 'trade 22 to WC and then after we've matched the bid, trade 22 back to us', such as Sydney did with Blakey a few years ago, which the AFL has now outlawed.

Is it the pick is locked or you can't trade back with the same team? Like can we trade for Brisbane's future pick and then trade that same future pick to a different team?

 

[Zach Package]

Actually, what it really shows is how often Sydney pulls stunts! You raised the one from 2019, I thought you were talking about Heeney in 2015!

They only always pull ‘stunts’ because they always have academy players and they are smarter than everyone.

As I recall in 2015 they ‘bought’ the Mills pick with 3-4 picks in the 30s, and Brisbane and GWS did very similar with Hipwood, Himmelberg and Kennedy.

If they’re good enough to exploit the hell out of it, good on them.

 

[brutus76]

Sun's will have 3 or 4 Academy kids next year so they will want to trade some of their 2nds and 3rds for future picks.

Maybe we can do a deal there and get Fiorini at the same time and bank some points

 

[Vindicater]

From Tassie and looks like this...

Make it happen DoDo!

Big bodied midfielder/half back

 

[Zach Package]

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From Tassie and looks like this...

Make it happen DoDo!

Big bodied midfielder/half back

He looks like a yobbo but he’s pretty well the prototype for what Rutten was after, so I would daresay he’s firmly on the radar no matter who the coach ends up being.

Tall, high motor kid with a long leg and a bit of aggro. Would look great on a wing opposite Durham.

 

[Ants]

Is it the pick is locked or you can't trade back with the same team? Like can we trade for Brisbane's future pick and then trade that same future pick to a different team?

I'm not sure of the exact ruling, but certainly what triggered it was trading back and forth between the same two teams.

 

[ghostdog]

Watching Papley terrorise Melbourne has me convinced we should go for Sheezel.

 

[Ants]

Watching Papley terrorise Melbourne has me convinced we should go for Sheezel.

Its more a matter of whether Sheezel makes it to us. To be honest, I think from what I've read he and Cadman will be off the board.

 

[The Prosecutor]

Its more a matter of whether Sheezel makes it to us. To be honest, I think from what I've read he and Cadman will be off the board.

Then Wardlaw/Tsatas get to us, happy days!

 

[Corleone]

Then Wardlaw/Tsatas get to us, happy days!

I can already hear the moaning ... "another midget"

 

[ghostdog]

Its more a matter of whether Sheezel makes it to us. To be honest, I think from what I've read he and Cadman will be off the board.

Really I'd be happy with Sheezel, Cadman or Tsatas where we are. Wardlaw not so much because of his height, but even then wouldn't be unhappy. We need leadership.

 

[brain taylor]

i'm very much on the "we need bigger mids" bandwagon but i'd rather just take wardlaw than burn the pick reaching for a guy who isn't as good but has a few extra cms.
plenty of opportunities to bring in big bodies through later picks, or trade/FA (although of course we won't)

 

[GUMBLETRON]

Is it the pick is locked or you can't trade back with the same team? Like can we trade for Brisbane's future pick and then trade that same future pick to a different team?

You just can't buy the same pick back without it going through a third party first, so any shenanigans either need multiple picks or multiple teams.

 

[JayJ20]

i'm very much on the "we need bigger mids" bandwagon but i'd rather just take wardlaw than burn the pick reaching for a guy who isn't as good but has a few extra cms.
plenty of opportunities to bring in big bodies through later picks, or trade/FA (although of course we won't)

If the midfield fully developed and at its best is not good enough, then it's not a good selection unless the balance is rectified.
If they're going to pick Wardlaw (which I'm fine with), then they must trade two of the mids in our current midfield out. Shiel, Caldwell and Parish. Two need to go.

We already have Caldwell and Hobbs as the next generation mids that are on the small side. Adding Wardlaw makes the midfield small (again). If we didn't have Hobbs, then I'd be happy with Wardlaw, but there comes a point where we need to think about how the side plays together.

Selecting best available with no regard for list balance is what got us here in the first place. I therefore wouldn't mind selecting Phillipou (if Tsatas, Sheezel and Cadman are gone) who we could potentially trade down for. A team like Hawthorn, Port or maybe even Adelaide may be interested in giving us overs for pick 4 to take Wardlaw. We can then select Phillipou who IMO has attributes that translates well at AFL level. I wouldn't be mad if we used pick 4 to select him either.