List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion

[Apex36]

It probably look won’t happen but if Henry wanted to go to Geelong would you do a swap for De Koning rather than a draft pick?

Considering that DeKoning is already close to being an elite KPD, that would be a no brainer. However, it’s precisely that reason that a trade involving him will never happen.

 

[Matt_352]

Grundy for Pick 14 from Dees via Freo + Weideman I'll take. Yeah he's amounted to nothing at the Dees but he has the physical attributes. New environment to form a new attitude, penny might finally drop. Worth a shot imo.

 

[Apex36]

If Hawthorn offer their first and Mitchell for Ginnivan I’d consider it.

It would be tempting, but a 40 goal, 19yo small forward is probably worth more than that tbh.

 

[No SPIN]

I think we can squeeze melbournes first pick for him

Agree - it’s a crap deal otherwise.
I’d rather keep him and only recruit McStay.
Back McMahon/Dean in the Frampton role and McStay can also go back if needed, while Kruger plays fwd.

Hill is not vital to our prospects.
A fit and firing Grundy improves us more than recruiting Frampton and Hill.
Not to mention passing on Hill, may help convince Ollie to stay.

 

[Jasper84]

Grundy to Melbourne is done.
Don't expect a good pick in return but I've been told we'll only be paying around 200K of his contract.

Henry isn't worried about his role in our side, just not happy with our offer which is identical to what Finlay accepted.
Kind of understandable as he has shown a lot more to date.
Unfortunately our cap is still fairly tight even with Grundy leaving as the freed up money will go to Jordy, McStay and Hill.
He was still undecided about a fortnight ago but it will be difficult for us to keep him.

200k per year or in total?

 

[Couch Coach]

Grundy for Pick 14 from Dees via Freo + Weideman I'll take. Yeah he's amounted to nothing at the Dees but he has the physical attributes. New environment to form a new attitude, penny might finally drop. Worth a shot imo.

We are currently rumoured to:
IN: McStay, Bobby Hill, Frampton and possibly Mitchell/Fiorini
OUT: Grundy, Roughy and possibly Henry

We have to use 3 draft picks (including upgrading rookies i.e. Noble)

Therefore:
IN: 4/5 plus 2 draft picks = 6 or 7
OUT: 2/3

This means we would have to delist 4 players out of: 2 x Brown, Madge, Chugg, Poulter, etc.

Bringing in Weideman doesn't make sense.
1/. We would need to delist another player.
2/. With McStay and Frampton likely to come in he would be behind them.
3/. He was offered up last year with no takers.
4/. He's been in the AFL system for 7 years and not shown he belongs. He's basically Schache who no one wants to bring in.

 

[No SPIN]

Grundy to Melbourne is done.
Don't expect a good pick in return but I've been told we'll only be paying around 200K of his contract.

Henry isn't worried about his role in our side, just not happy with our offer which is identical to what Finlay accepted.
Kind of understandable as he has shown a lot more to date.
Unfortunately our cap is still fairly tight even with Grundy leaving as the freed up money will go to Jordy, McStay and Hill.
He was still undecided about a fortnight ago but it will be difficult for us to keep him.

Source?
If true GW has lost his magic wand.

 

[Drought Break]

200k per year or in total?

would have to be per year surely. Doesn't Grundy have about 6 years left on his contract?. That would amount to only about $30 to 40,000 a year.

That ridiculous contract we gave him a few years ago will bight for years. To think we would have got 2 high first round draft picks of the Crows and his salary of the books would have set our future up nicely.

 

[Hardas]

It probably look won’t happen but if Henry wanted to go to Geelong would you do a swap for De Koning rather than a draft pick?

Come on now...

 

[Harry O]

I still don’t understand why we would need to trade out Grundy for cap reasons
It just doesn’t add up

 

[PyrrhicVic]

Grundy to Melbourne is done.
Don't expect a good pick in return but I've been told we'll only be paying around 200K of his contract.

What does not a 'good pick' mean? If we seriously end up paying 200k for an AA ruckman to play against us and all we get is their second rounder I'll spew.

 

[Hardas]

I hope the club isn't stupid enough to trade gin. He loves Collingwood despite supporting hawks as a kid. Plus didn't he sign an extension earlier in the year?

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Don't worry.
It won't happen.

 

[Rusty Beam]

I agree that it is wishful thinking but Henry was pick 17 and 20 also is on the trajectory to hopefully being worth pick 18 in the next couple of years.

IMO if you were to redo the 2020 draft, he would be in the top 5 based on performances and exposed potential.

It looks to be a shallow draft, or at the very least stunted significantly by covid.

But regardless I would hope we wouldn’t settle for anything less than a first rounder. Hopefully their future first.

 

[LuckyLee]

Grundy to Melbourne is done.
Don't expect a good pick in return but I've been told we'll only be paying around 200K of his contract.

Henry isn't worried about his role in our side, just not happy with our offer which is identical to what Finlay accepted.
Kind of understandable as he has shown a lot more to date.
Unfortunately our cap is still fairly tight even with Grundy leaving as the freed up money will go to Jordy, McStay and Hill.
He was still undecided about a fortnight ago but it will be difficult for us to keep him.

Yes, this makes compete sense. We are forced sellers in an auction with only one bidder and the player we're selling won't have played a single game since suffering two substantial injuries, back-to-back. The buyers are right to low-ball us. We would do exactly the same, if the situation was reversed. An early 2nd round pick seems about right to me, if the Dees are taking on the bulk of his hefty wages bill.

Those who are hoping for something as lofty as a top 10 pick are going to be disappointed. And before anyone suggests keeping Grundy, clearly that ship has sailed. We've already committed his list spot and saved wages to other players. There's no going back now. So yes, we are forced sellers and will cop a less than fair price as a result. Accept it and move on.

As for Henry, we'd all love to keep him but not if he thinks he's deserving of a much better pay deal, despite his significant deficiencies (endurance, pressure) and questionable size for the lead-and-mark forward role that he wants to play. A 2nd year player on the fringe of the Best 22 should not be attempting to extort the Club that made the investment and took the risk of drafting him in the first place. Prove yourself beyond doubt and you'll have earned the right to play hardball in your next contract negotiation. Some children and athletes get too much praise for their strengths and are too quick to gloss over their weaknesses and, consequently, don't work hard enough and never reach their full potential. The fact that Henry hasn't signed what I'm sure is a very fair and reasonable contract offer makes me think that he might be in that category. Hopefully I'm wrong and we soon hear news of him re-signing. If not, I think the trade price must be a first rounder.

 

[JLC]

I really don't understand how our cap is "tight". We must have been pretty naive compared to other clubs.

I also think Luke Jackson

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Luke Jackson

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199cm

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102kg

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8.3

2star

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3.3

1star

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5.0

4star

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1.5

2star

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1.0

3star

G

0.3

3star

D

8.3

2star

K

3.3

1star

HB

5.0

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

2star

G

0.3

3star

D

8.3

3star

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3.3

2star

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5.0

4star

M

1.5

2star

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1.0

3star

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0.3

3star

leaving three years after being drafted shows that "draft capital" is over rated.

Out of interests what first round picks would equate to pick 3? Given the development Melbourne have put in, I would expect first rounders to equate to pick.

Maybe the AFL needs to provide clubs with more control over first rd picks?

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[chestbrah]

The cap is not tight - we even have clubs approaching us for a salary cap dump.

Grundy will only be traded if we get something satisfactory at the trade table.

 

[Couch Coach]

The cap is not tight - we even have clubs approaching us for a salary cap dump.

Grundy will only be traded if we get something satisfactory at the trade table.

Interesting. Apart from GWS early discussions any further info?

 

[Jen2310]

'Just keep speculating': McStay unfazed by trade chatter

Dan McStay has been linked with a move back to Victoria, but has refused to buy into where he'll play in 2023

www.afl.com.au

 

[Quicky]

Grundy to Melbourne is done.
Don't expect a good pick in return but I've been told we'll only be paying around 200K of his contract.

Henry isn't worried about his role in our side, just not happy with our offer which is identical to what Finlay accepted.
Kind of understandable as he has shown a lot more to date.
Unfortunately our cap is still fairly tight even with Grundy leaving as the freed up money will go to Jordy, McStay and Hill.
He was still undecided about a fortnight ago but it will be difficult for us to keep him.

If this eventuates it's a total catastrophe for us. It would mean we're over paying on all three of those players. And losing good players for nothing worthwhile.

 

[Quicky]

Yes, this makes compete sense. We are forced sellers in an auction with only one bidder and the player we're selling won't have played a single game since suffering two substantial injuries, back-to-back. The buyers are right to low-ball us. We would do exactly the same, if the situation was reversed. An early 2nd round pick seems about right to me, if the Dees are taking on the bulk of his hefty wages bill.

Those who are hoping for something as lofty as a top 10 pick are going to be disappointed. And before anyone suggests keeping Grundy, clearly that ship has sailed. We've already committed his list spot and saved wages to other players. There's no going back now. So yes, we are forced sellers and will cop a less than fair price as a result. Accept it and move on.

As for Henry, we'd all love to keep him but not if he thinks he's deserving of a much better pay deal, despite his significant deficiencies (endurance, pressure) and questionable size for the lead-and-mark forward role that he wants to play. A 2nd year player on the fringe of the Best 22 should not be attempting to extort the Club that made the investment and took the risk of drafting him in the first place. Prove yourself beyond doubt and you'll have earned the right to play hardball in your next contract negotiation. Some children and athletes get too much praise for their strengths and are too quick to gloss over their weaknesses and, consequently, don't work hard enough and never reach their full potential. The fact that Henry hasn't signed what I'm sure is a very fair and reasonable contract offer makes me thing that he might be in that category. Hopefully I'm wrong and we soon hear news of him re-signing.

I don't think it makes sense at all. I'd lose a lot of faith in the football department if it pans out this way.

 

[PieBeast]

200k per year or in total?

per year

 

[No SPIN]

Yes, this makes compete sense. We are forced sellers in an auction with only one bidder and the player we're selling won't have played a single game since suffering two substantial injuries, back-to-back. The buyers are right to low-ball us. We would do exactly the same, if the situation was reversed. An early 2nd round pick seems about right to me, if the Dees are taking on the bulk of his hefty wages bill.

Those who are hoping for something as lofty as a top 10 pick are going to be disappointed. And before anyone suggests keeping Grundy, clearly that ship has sailed. We've already committed his list spot and saved wages to other players. There's no going back now. So yes, we are forced sellers and will cop a less than fair price as a result. Accept it and move on.

As for Henry, we'd all love to keep him but not if he thinks he's deserving of a much better pay deal, despite his significant deficiencies (endurance, pressure) and questionable size for the lead-and-mark forward role that he wants to play. A 2nd year player on the fringe of the Best 22 should not be attempting to extort the Club that made the investment and took the risk of drafting him in the first place. Prove yourself beyond doubt and you'll have earned the right to play hardball in your next contract negotiation. Some children and athletes get too much praise for their strengths and are too quick to gloss over their weaknesses and, consequently, don't work hard enough and never reach their full potential. The fact that Henry hasn't signed what I'm sure is a very fair and reasonable contract offer makes me thing that he might be in that category. Hopefully I'm wrong and we soon hear news of him re-signing. If not, I think the trade price must be a first rounder.

We are far from forced sellers.

With Jackson leaving, how do Demons stay in flag contention without Grundy?
Melb not Coll are the desperate party in this negotiation.
If Grundy stays then the only list change is McStay - Frampton and Hill go elsewhere, which is no big deal.

 

[PieBeast]

Source?
If true GW has lost his magic wand.

player agent with Collingwood connection

 

[LuckyLee]

I don't think it makes sense at all. I'd lose a lot of faith in the football department if it pans out this way.

I've personally never understood how anyone thinks we have any leverage in the Grundy trade. All evidence suggests that we want his contract off the books and he wants a fresh start. If he had played this season and played well, we'd be in a much stronger position. But his early season form was a shadow of his AA best of three years ago and then he suffered back-to-back torn PCL and ankle stress fracture injuries, neither of which are good things for a player whose role is to repeatedly jump, knees-first, into other 100kg monsters. And the club buying him won't have seen him play even a single game since he suffered those injuries, so they are taking considerable risk in recruiting him on that basis. And ideally we also want them to take over his long contract and the lion's share of his ridiculously large wages bill, which we stupidly imposed upon ourselves. Where exactly is our bargaining power in that negotiation? If the roles were reversed, we'd be furious if our club paid a high price in picks/dollars for such a player.

 

[No SPIN]

player agent with Collingwood connection

We’ll see. According to Caro last night Grundy is staying and taking a cut.