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It only just clicked to me that the two expansion clubs are shaping up to have 11 picks in the first two rounds between them:
  • GWS: 3, 12, 18, 19, 21 and 30
  • Gold Coast: 5, 7, 25, 31 and 34

Taking likely RFA compensation and F/S bidding into account, those picks become the following:
  • GWS: 4, 13, 21, 23, 25 and 36
  • Gold Coast: 6, 8, 29, 37 and 40


Surely neither club will be making use of all of those selections - so expecting to see some dumping occur as they try to gain more value out of fewer picks.
 

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Right, back on the horse.

Where are we in this never ending circle discussion?

Whoever is left of Wardlaw and Sheezel when pick 3 comes up.

Then finding a way to get back into the first round for a shot at Hewett, Mackenzie, Phillipou or Ginbey.
 
Ashcroft racks up a lot of cheap 1-2 possessions but isn't very damaging.
Yeah I've seen him a few times. His way overrated. Just a accumulator. Doesn't do much with the ball. But these days that's all people look at is the stat sheet so he will do well with no impact at all on the actual game.
 
So the Norf assistance has been announced, and assuming they finish near the bottom again they will be looking at 2023 pick 20ish and late 30's that they must trade out this draft period.
I guess they'll look at who they can get for them, and if no player (Logue) ends up being in play then they could be traded together for a 16-17 2022 pick. Personally I think they will try to use the future third for Logue but end up having to pay the future second. Or maybe their 2 x future 3rds gets it done?

With Norf holding pick 1 then nothing until the 4th round (55ish), and no untied standout, surely they have to look at splitting pick 1 into at least two draft picks?

North trading 1 depends on the quality of rhe offer.

Thomas is a chance to be traded and the Suns interested. A 2nd rounder min if not 2, 25 and 31.

If that happened then North can go with pick 1, 25, 31 and 55. After trading in players with future PP's.

They could also trade a future 2nd for the Suns current 2nds.
 
It only just clicked to me that the two expansion clubs are shaping up to have 11 picks in the first two rounds between them:
  • GWS: 3, 12, 18, 19, 21 and 30
  • Gold Coast: 5, 7, 25, 31 and 34

Taking likely RFA compensation and F/S bidding into account, those picks become the following:
  • GWS: 4, 13, 21, 23, 25 and 36
  • Gold Coast: 6, 8, 29, 37 and 40


Surely neither club will be making use of all of those selections - so expecting to see some dumping occur as they try to gain more value out of fewer picks.
Gold Coast have some nice academy prospects for next year, so those last 3 picks will likely be swapped for picks next year. Jed Walter looks top 5 at this stage.
 
Gold Coast have some nice academy prospects for next year, so those last 3 picks will likely be swapped for picks next year. Jed Walter looks top 5 at this stage.

Ethan Read looks pretty bloody good too, looking like a late first early second to me.
Two KPP that can both do boundary and stoppage ruck work.

GC have been kissed on the dick, with access to that pair.
 
Yeah I've seen him a few times. His way overrated. Just a accumulator. Doesn't do much with the ball. But these days that's all people look at is the stat sheet so he will do well with no impact at all on the actual game.
To be fair a lot of people were saying that about Daicos last year and look at what he was able to achieve this year.
 

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And then they have a JUH clone in the 2024 draft.

And you wonder why we despise the whole Northern Academy rort.

Preferential treatment from Head Office.

Like most things that the vAFL do, they act too late and then they swing too far in any reactionary moves to manipulate the competition.

You guys bleat ad nauseam that you are at a competitive disadvantage, when it’s actually the reverse that’s true.

The bull shit thats been sprouted that you need assistance because your Club suffer disproportionately from the go home factor.

When the reality is, by way of your Club as an example, you poach:

Neale
Cameron
Daniher
Ah Chee
Fort
Now - Dunkley

And yet you have the audacity to still cry “woe are we” with the threat of being raided due to the go home factor.

When in reality that situation is LONG gone and your Club, has now become a destination Club.

And you are in fact the raiders.

It’s akin to those who drive a one year old BMW X5, live in and own property in Peppermint Grove, asking Centrelink for financial assistance because the home budget is tight.
 
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I see deals with the Suns, Crows and Lions coming to hand.

DEAL 1
3 way trade with Suns, Crows and Eagles
Crows give up 5 and 23 and get Rankin
Suns give up Rankin and get pick 2 The Suns then get one of Tsatas or Sheezel which they would benefit from.
WC give up 2 and get 5 and 23
(5 and 23 values Rankin at 2 which is about right while 2 gets a premium of 170 points which is light but OK)
The Suns at 2 then get one of Tsatas or Sheezel which they would benefit from. Plus they can later slide back from 7 to 12'ish to land Hollands and maybe an extra future pick.

DEAL 2
Trade with Suns and give them a future 3rd (let's say 38) for picks 43, 52, 67 and 70 worth 732 points. Tipped in our favour yes but these are rats and mice points and not of value except for matching in a year with few academy prospects. if needed, I would give up a future R4.

DEAL 3
Trade with Lions picks 26, 38, 43, 52, 67 and 70 worth 1,926 points for 15 and Robertson (values Robertson as pick 24). Lions can then on-sell pick 26 at a premium and end up with 2,000 points plus all of 2023 picks in tact plus 2022 33, 44 and 69

We finish the trade period with:-
Robertson, 5, 15, 20, 23 and 25 plus Ports future R2
Lost Rioli and future R3


The Draft preferred option bolded
Pick 5 - Phillipou, Clark, Cadman or Busslinger
Pick 15 - Hotton, Ginbey or Hewett
Pick 20 - Barnet, Keeler or George
Pick 23 - Szybkowski, Weddle, , or D'Aloia
Pick 25 - Jakob Ryan, Konstanty or Burgiel

The beauty about Phillipou and Hotton is that they also play HFF very well. That gives them a leg up to start earlier as there will be opportunities until they get the right body shape.

5 Picks inside 25 (25 becomes 30) plus Robertson

We have lost Rioli but we have a future R2 yet lost a future R3

If we lose Nelson, there is a later compo pick we get and use it on Jones or Broadbent or Gilbey.

Decide whether we keep Witherden, Winder etc of go for a couple of rookies. I think we are missing a general forwards but as said, the balanced mids, Sheed, Shuey, Kelly can all play as forwards

Looking at our list in 2023
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I see deals with the Suns, Crows and Lions coming to hand.

DEAL 1
3 way trade with Suns, Crows and Eagles
Crows give up 5 and 23 and get Rankin
Suns give up Rankin and get pick 2 The Suns then get one of Tsatas or Sheezel which they would benefit from.
WC give up 2 and get 5 and 23
(5 and 23 values Rankin at 2 which is about right while 2 gets a premium of 170 points which is light but OK)
The Suns at 2 then get one of Tsatas or Sheezel which they would benefit from. Plus they can later slide back from 7 to 12'ish to land Hollands and maybe an extra future pick.

DEAL 2
Trade with Suns and give them a future 3rd (let's say 38) for picks 43, 52, 67 and 70 worth 732 points. Tipped in our favour yes but these are rats and mice points and not of value except for matching in a year with few academy prospects. if needed, I would give up a future R4.

DEAL 3
Trade with Lions picks 26, 38, 43, 52, 67 and 70 worth 1,926 points for 15 and Robertson (values Robertson as pick 24). Lions can then on-sell pick 26 at a premium and end up with 2,000 points plus all of 2023 picks in tact plus 2022 33, 44 and 69

We finish the trade period with:-
Robertson, 5, 15, 20, 23 and 25 plus Ports future R2
Lost Rioli and future R3


The Draft preferred option bolded
Pick 5 - Phillipou, Clark, Cadman or Busslinger
Pick 15 - Hotton, Ginbey or Hewett
Pick 20 - Barnet, Keeler or George
Pick 23 - Szybkowski, Weddle, , or D'Aloia
Pick 25 - Jakob Ryan, Konstanty or Burgiel

The beauty about Phillipou and Hotton is that they also play HFF very well. That gives them a leg up to start earlier as there will be opportunities until they get the right body shape.

5 Picks inside 25 (25 becomes 30) plus Robertson

We have lost Rioli but we have a future R2 yet lost a future R3

If we lose Nelson, there is a later compo pick we get and use it on Jones or Broadbent or Gilbey.

Decide whether we keep Witherden, Winder etc of go for a couple of rookies. I think we are missing a general forwards but as said, the balanced mids, Sheed, Shuey, Kelly can all play as forwards

Looking at our list in 2023
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IMO Crows will not trade 5 and 23 for just Rankin.

They would need something else coming back.
 
I see deals with the Suns, Crows and Lions coming to hand.

DEAL 1
3 way trade with Suns, Crows and Eagles
Crows give up 5 and 23 and get Rankin
Suns give up Rankin and get pick 2 The Suns then get one of Tsatas or Sheezel which they would benefit from.
WC give up 2 and get 5 and 23
(5 and 23 values Rankin at 2 which is about right while 2 gets a premium of 170 points which is light but OK)
The Suns at 2 then get one of Tsatas or Sheezel which they would benefit from. Plus they can later slide back from 7 to 12'ish to land Hollands and maybe an extra future pick.

DEAL 2
Trade with Suns and give them a future 3rd (let's say 38) for picks 43, 52, 67 and 70 worth 732 points. Tipped in our favour yes but these are rats and mice points and not of value except for matching in a year with few academy prospects. if needed, I would give up a future R4.

DEAL 3
Trade with Lions picks 26, 38, 43, 52, 67 and 70 worth 1,926 points for 15 and Robertson (values Robertson as pick 24). Lions can then on-sell pick 26 at a premium and end up with 2,000 points plus all of 2023 picks in tact plus 2022 33, 44 and 69

We finish the trade period with:-
Robertson, 5, 15, 20, 23 and 25 plus Ports future R2
Lost Rioli and future R3


The Draft preferred option bolded
Pick 5 - Phillipou, Clark, Cadman or Busslinger
Pick 15 - Hotton, Ginbey or Hewett
Pick 20 - Barnet, Keeler or George
Pick 23 - Szybkowski, Weddle, , or D'Aloia
Pick 25 - Jakob Ryan, Konstanty or Burgiel
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Turn 2,20,26,38 and Rioli into 5,15,20,23,25 and Dev Robertson. Plus a swap of a future 3rd for a future 2nd.
Would be impressed if the pieman could do some trade magic like that
 
IMO Crows will not trade 5 and 23 for just Rankin.

They would need something else coming back.
Sure - that could be a Suns R3. It does not change much in the equation. We would not sell 2 for anything less than 5 and 23.

Goodness knows there are enough - they have 2 x R3 and 2 x R4.
 
Sure - that could be a Suns R3. It does not change much in the equation. We would not sell 2 for anything less than 5 and 23.

Goodness knows there are enough - they have 2 x R3 and 2 x R4.

What about 2 and a future 3rd for 5, 25, 31 and 43?

Then we then go shopping to the Lions 1st and or Essendon for their 23?

What would some mix of 26, 31, 38 and 43 land us?

Hoping for a future 2nd for Rioli and bank it.

31, 38 and 43 would likely get 15. 1449 points to 1112. 337 point loading for Lions.

Add 26 for Robertson and that values him at 17 which is misleading as they want a premium for 15.

Go to draft with 5, 15, 20, 25 plus land Robertson. Bank the Rioli future 2nd for next year.
 
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Ok Guys buckle up for some drawn out, complexed, convoluted head scratching proposals.

God help us all, as we now have a tag team of Asterix The Gaul and Obeanie1 combined….. plotting and scheming together as they connive to exploit, rape, pillage and plunder other Clubs for the ultimate, draft capital sting.

Should be a entertaining read ….. guaranteed to be complexed but still entertaining, as our boards two most prolific theoretical draft capital traders work in unison. 😉
 
Ok Guys buckle up for some drawn out, complexed, convoluted head scratching proposals.

God help us all, as we now have a tag team of Asterix The Gaul and Obeanie1 combined….. plotting and scheming together as they connive to exploit, rape, pillage and plunder other Clubs for the ultimate, draft capital sting.

Should be a entertaining read ….. guaranteed to be complexed but still entertaining, as our boards two most prolific theoretical draft capital traders work in unison. 😉

What even more interesting is the AFL allowing salary cap dump deals more than ever before.

Wonder if that can be straight out cap $$ for picks?

Just think how much MORE fun Asterix and I can have with another dimension to play with!:drunk::think::straining::$
 
What about 2 and a future 3rd for 5, 25, 31 and 43?

Then we then go shopping to the Lions 1st and or Essendon for their 23?

What would some mix of 26, 31, 38 and 43 land us?

Hoping for a future 2nd for Rioli and bank it.
Only problem going after Essendon's pick 22 is dealing with Dodoro. I expect he will want to trade up and get a pick before Davy Jnr. Not sure what they can do as they only have 40 and 58 after 22. Anyway, dealing with Essendon usually means deals get done late and in a hurry.

I see some excellent prospects at the 12 to 20 range so I am much keener on that range than anything in the 30's.
 
What even more interesting is the AFL allowing salary cap dump deals more than ever before.

Wonder if that can be straight out cap $$ for picks?

Just think how much MORE fun Asterix and I can have with another dimension to play with!:drunk::think::straining::$

Oh ATG will be salivating at the new variable that he can further incorporate into his calculations.

Salary dumps are one of his specialities and in real life he has been employed and hired by some of the worlds largest Multi National Corporations to manage programs to do just that. ( This is actually true. )

So looking forward to the six club interrelated deal with a combined, 27 draft picks swapping hands and now a combined reshuffle of 3.2 million dollars worth of TPP moving between the Clubs involved.
 
The Pieman loves half back flankers and talls. They are top of his priorities list almost every draft

I can easily see easily see him taking Cadman at pick 2, with the justification that we need a replacement for John Kennedy and we have already addressed our midfield situation by taking Culley

Then taking a half back flanker with our first pick in 2023 as a replacement for Hurn....
 
One massive shock would be to prioritise the 2023 draft.

Now we trade Tigers 12, 30 and future R1 (say 15) for pick 2 and future R3 (say 38). That is if GWS accept Soldo, pick 2 and 19 for Hopper and Taranto.

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We could still buy the Lions pick 15 with 26, 30 and 38 and get 15 plus a future R3 (say 44).
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That would give us 12, 15 and 20 then go into 2022 draft plus for 2023 we go with 2 x R1 (ours + Tigers), 2 x R2 (ours plus Port for Rioli), 1 x R3 (Lions)

Alternatively we trade with Suns Pick 12 (ideal for Hollands) and Lions 2023 R3 for 7.

A draft with 7, 15 and 20 and a stacked hand in 2023 would also be a good option.
 
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