Coach Alastair Clarkson III - new NMFC senior coach until at least end 2027 - NMFC board approved AC to start 1/11 amid ongoing HFC racism investigation

[DesertRoo]

This isn’t North’s fault. It’s Hawthorn in the s**t

At present we basically don’t have a football department cause of this.. from ceo down.

 

[Carey4life]

At this stage I don’t see how NMFC have anything to answer for

I can think of many ways this could end badly in a worst case scenario (in not saying it will).

What if we got stuck in a situation where clarkos position is untenable, although we don't have proper justification to good the 5-year contract?

That could have huge ramifications for the soft cap and our football department budget, even if the termination payment was negotiated down. We would need AFL assistance in those worst case scenarios.

 

[DesertRoo]

Really? I only read back a few pages and saw one w***er try that. The gall. The mods should ban them from the North page. I’m raging right now.

We had one of their mods come over here..

 

[Tectonic]

It was all predicated on "if these allegations are true".

I'd suggest that ugly as it is, whether Clarkson's role is tenable has less to do with whether the allegations are true, and more about whether anyone can prove the abortion conversation really happened, and the answer is almost certainly no.

But fwiw...

Spoiler: Hawthorn racism review: Allegations expose footy’s dark underbelly, writes Mark Robinson

If true, Alastair Clarkson should resign from North Melbourne and never hold a position in football again.

The same for Chris Fagan.

They have both agreed to be stood down amid an independent AFL-endorsed investigation.

The disturbing allegations — and depth of detail in the allegations — about an Indigenous player being told his partner should have an abortion is harrowing to the point of utter disbelief.

This is football. A sport. Entertainment for the masses.

Not a sports school of dark arts.

If true, these allegations expose a disturbing underbelly in professional football, where tyrannical leaders believe they have the power to determine life and death.

I’m not sure there’s been a more distressing headline on an AFL story than the one on the Herald Sun website on Wednesday. It read: Hawks racism review: ‘He told me to kill my unborn child.’

The flinch reaction is not to believe it’s true.

You don’t want to believe it’s true.

To demand an abortion to aid a player’s career? It’s beyond comprehension.

There are other allegations, about how the Hawks tried to separate players from their partners and families via breaking down their communication.

About how one young player tried to commit suicide after leaving the club.

And about how one young woman called the club to pass on a message to a player that she had had a miscarriage – because she couldn’t contact him.

They are equally alarming.

The alleged revelations, first revealed by the ABC, puts a dagger through the grand final week build-up and celebration.

The men central to the allegations – Clarkson and Fagan – are decent people, family loving people.

Yeah, they are determined and driven, but these allegations will rock them to their core.

There will be context and/or denials, but – if true – I’m not sure there’s any imaginable context that places human life above playing football.

The AFL had no choice other than to agree the two coaches should to be stood down, notwithstanding that they are innocent until proven guilty.

Fagan was first. He was said to be shattered and it’s understood his straight-up defence will be that he wasn’t in any meeting about an abortion.

Later in the day the Kangaroos said Clarkson won’t start his new role until the investigation is complete.

The four-time premiership coach has vehemently denied the allegations.

The question is: Will they ever return?

Already, their names are besmirched because of the allegation. Mud sticks. It’s the utterly unfair component of dealing with allegations, that the allegation can never be publicly withdrawn.

Let’s hope no lies are being told – from all parties.

At present, the Hawks investigation was a truth-telling exercise by Indigenous players and partners, and a response was not sought by others.

Clarkson and Fagan will give their version to the AFL.

How wide does this story affect people involved at Hawthorn through the years, like Stuart Fox, who was CEO through the flag years, or Andrew Newbold, the president who is now an AFL commissioner, or Mark Evans, who was head of football.

There were plenty of good people at the Hawks, but what else is in this report?

The AFL was quick to announce the independent investigation, but not quick enough to beat the ABC’s Russell Jackson breaking the story on Wednesday morning.

A complex story, the AFL received the Hawks report in the past week and set about putting the appropriate processes in place.

That, or they wanted to hold on to it until after the grand final.

That is tin tacks because these allegations have the capacity to destroy the reputations of respected individuals, a footy club and the AFL.

Make no mistake, this is a time for action from the AFL. Not words. Not promises. Not backslapping about how inclusive football is.

Eddie Betts revealed the horrors of the Adelaide camp where white people told black people how to think, what to say and banned them from the leadership program.

It was the master-slave scenario.

The allegations at Hawthorn can be similarly framed, but are much worse. A white boss allegedly telling a black man he shouldn’t have a child.

There was also the well-documented racism at Collingwood.

In both those situations, at the Crows and the Pies, no one was punished by the AFL.

In this case, and if the allegations are true, the AFL must finally take a stand on racism. A real stand. Punishment and condemnation.

Because not only is the whole football world looking at the AFL, so too, is the sporting world.

This story will sweep the globe, just as the Essendon supplement saga did.

But this is much worse.

That was about needles. This is about killing an unborn child, as the player described it.

If true, the legacies of high-profile people will be destroyed forever.

Unrelated but I hate the way robbo writes...
Every piece is like a series of thought bubbles, not a cohesive whole.

Also, lol at the last few lines about the drug saga. Totally different kettle of fish

 

[bluespooner]

Does anyone else feel like North is stuck in a pile of someone else’s s**t? I mean FFS it has nothing to do with us but we’re going to be hurt more than Hawthorn. It’s not right. campaigners.

Clarkson is currently a Hawthorn employee.

 

[Val Keating]

Clarkson is currently a Hawthorn employee.

No shit. He’s supposed to be our coach next year. This is going to impact the future of our club.

What’s Hawthorn facing?

 

[DesertRoo]

We would need AFL assistance in those worst case scenarios.

Let’s all laugh together. The afl knew about the report and gave us the PP with the caveat of needing to trade them.

 

[Kangaroo Cat]

But the dorks posters keep coming on here telling us how lucky we are, campaigners

They keep missing the point, we didn't expect him to magically coach us to a premiership, we valued the fact it would bring in skilled people in who know how footy works. Clubs like hawthorn haven't had that issue over the last 8-10 years and interpret our motivations differently

 

[rickety]

Really? I only read back a few pages and saw one w***er try that. The gall. The mods should ban them from the North page. I’m raging right now.

There's been a mop and bucket out in a few of the aisles to clean up the mess they made in here ....w@nkers

 

[Passmore]

I can think of many ways this could end badly in a worst case scenario (in not saying it will).

What if we got stuck in a situation where clarkos position is untenable, although we don't have proper justification to good the 5-year contract?

That could have huge ramifications for the soft cap and our football department budget, even if the termination payment was negotiated down. We would need AFL assistance in those worst case scenarios.

If there's evidence to prove the allegations then we'd have grounds to terminate I'm sure.


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[Val Keating]

Let’s all laugh together. The afl knew about the report and gave us the PP with the caveat of needing to trade them.

Dog campaigners.

 

[rickety]

Clarkson is currently a Hawthorn employee.

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[The Lone Latic]

Its like Hawthorn took a massive dump but North and Brisbane have to clean it up while they walk away whistling like “not our problem”.

It’s really pissing me off. The AFL have to hurt them. It’s a *en disgrace.

IF the allegations prove true and both Brisbane and North lose their coaches over it, surely Hawthorn get charged with bringing the game into disrepute and cope sanctions whether it is soft cap penalties (which do not impact their Indigenous welfare support because I wouldn't put it past them foe that to be the first thing cut with Kennett in charge), stripping of draft picks or even being forced to play a year without premiership points such as what the Storm coped (with their draft position relegated to as though they finished 1st and their first pick is 18th so they do not benefit from finish bottom)

 

[Ashley B]

Over 300 posts deleted well I suppose at least we are not irrelevant

 

[Wild Bill]

A big piece of this mess is how Clarko and Fagan were told.

The player walks in saying this is the best day of his life as he is going to be a dad. His beautiful partner will make a wonderful mum and they couldn’t be happier.

The player walks in saying his girlfriend who he was about to split up with is pregnant. He is scared and not ready to be a dad and doesn’t know what to do.

The advice that it would be best to explore his options - 1 being to abort - is either evil or sound advice.

 

[Frank Thring]

Clarko's right hand man every step of the way.

No mate. I wasn't stirring shiit. I was straight up posting my honest opinion. Not sure why you're being hostile towards me. Maybe you're sick of the trolls rubbing your noses in it. But I wasn't doing that, was I? Don't lump me in with the trolls.

I was super happy to see to the back of Clarkson at Hawthorn. I'd stopped watching our games by the mid-point of 2021. True story. I couldn't stand it. Awful awful football. Mitchell taking over as coach was like a breath of fresh air. Even if the results were similar, watching our games in 2022 was like chalk and cheese compared to 2020/21.

And I'm not even talking about all this latest shiit. The more I think about it, the more it doesn't surprise me. The guy always had a screw loose. Everyone knew it.

Hawks were so awful to watch you stop watching? Did you start re-watching when you won 5 wins out of the last 8 games including against 3 finalists? I feel for you. Tough times.

 

[Carey4life]

IF the allegations prove true and both Brisbane and North lose their coaches over it, surely Hawthorn get charged with bringing the game into disrepute and cope sanctions whether it is soft cap penalties (which do not impact their Indigenous welfare support because I wouldn't put it past them foe that to be the first thing cut with Kennett in charge), stripping of draft picks or even being forced to play a year without premiership points such as what the Storm coped (with their draft position relegated to as though they finished 1st and their first pick is 18th so they do not benefit from finish bottom)

The AFL won't do this without a lot more outrage and third parties (e.g more media testimonies) keeping them to account.

The AFL always acts in it's own self interest. Gil would have wished Essendons drug cheating away had it not been for ASADA.

 

[Midas]

Because the players have said they didn’t. Why is it so difficult to give these victims the benefit of the doubt you’re happy to afford the accused?

I'm giving everyone the benefit of the doubt until all the facts have been heard. Just merely posing some alternatives that could potentially change the perception of what happened.

 

[Wild Bill]

What sanctions are they facing? What repercussions will they face?

Nothing. Nothing at all.

Tipping they won’t be breaking membership records in 2023.

 

[Val Keating]

IF the allegations prove true and both Brisbane and North lose their coaches over it, surely Hawthorn get charged with bringing the game into disrepute and cope sanctions whether it is soft cap penalties (which do not impact their Indigenous welfare support because I wouldn't put it past them foe that to be the first thing cut with Kennett in charge), stripping of draft picks or even being forced to play a year without premiership points such as what the Storm coped (with their draft position relegated to as though they finished 1st and their first pick is 18th so they do not benefit from finish bottom)

They should but they won’t. The AFL only cares about money and they can’t afford to put Hawthorn into the same position as Carlton were after they got stripped of picks.

They need hawthorn to stay relevant because that means they make money, they get their fair whack and it means less money because they have the most fair weather supporter base in the comp.

 

[Val Keating]

Tipping they won’t be breaking membership records in 2023.

I couldn’t care less about their membership numbers.

 

[Ashley B]

The AFL won't do this without a lot more outrage and third parties (e.g more media testimonies) keeping them to account.

The AFL always acts in it's own self interest. Gil would have wished Essendons drug cheating away had it not been for ASADA.

I concur recently bumped into an integrity unit down at the olde CAS

 

[bluespooner]

No s**t. He’s supposed to be our coach next year. This is going to impact the future of our club.

What’s Hawthorn facing?

Potentially AFL imposed sanctions and litigation from affected parties.

 

[The Lone Latic]

The AFL won't do this without a lot more outrage and third parties (e.g more media testimonies) keeping them to account.

The AFL always acts in it's own self interest. Gil would have wished Essendons drug cheating away had it not been for ASADA.

I think just based on initial responses in the community that IF the allegations are proven, the AFL will be forced to do something. They can't be seen to not punish the club at which these incidents occurred.

 

[franjon]

The people on this thread that have already found Clarko, Fagan and anyone else involved guilty without due process are the same people that cheered loudly when OJ was found innocent.

Hypocrisy at its finest.

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