Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 5 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

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Fatcat08 said:
Dunkley is a hard one because he's clearly a good player, a b&f winner and top Brownlow poller yet isn't a high priority for the dogs from a midfielder perspective. It's a bit of a weird juxtaposition.
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Id like to hear you expand on exactly how it is that you base much of your premise on why Dunkleyis not a high priority for the dogs from a midfield perspective. Given by your own admission how well he polled in the Brownlow and was the winner of our most recent B&F. Ive read it a number of times and it still makes no sense at all and is a complete non sequitur.
 

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tbh I don’t think people realise how much of an improvement Lobb is going to be over what we did this year.

We partnered Naughton and English with Zaine Cordy and Buku Khamis for over half of this season. It means we don’t start next year with Josh Bruce as our forward/ruck hope.

Also, the Bears pick is probably going to be about 12 next year. They’re making a splashy move but haven’t addressed their biggest defensive issues. Imo Port’s pick 8 straight up would have been about right for him.

If it ends up being Dunkley for 12, Lobb and a F2 then we take it, improve our side and move on.
 
Bulldogs85 said:
Hahaha we are going to over pay for Lobb
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Hold on, aren't we using the same tactics with Brisbane for Dunkley?

If it's good for the Goose, why isn't it good for the Gander?

It may be hard, but try to be impartial here.
 

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TiAn_ said:
tbh I don’t think people realise how much of an improvement Lobb is going to be over what we did this year.

We partnered Naughton and English with Zaine Cordy and Buku Khamis for over half of this season. It means we don’t start next year with Josh Bruce as our forward/ruck hope.

Also, the Bears pick is probably going to be about 12 next year. They’re making a splashy move but haven’t addressed their biggest defensive issues. Imo Port’s pick 8 straight up would have been about right for him.

If it ends up being Dunkley for 12, Lobb and a F2 then we take it, improve our side and move on.
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You have hit the nail on the head. It is not just Lobbs individual ability that makes him a great get, it is what he does structurally not just in a pure sense but for options b,c and d.

The thought that you are paying over for a structurally important player with a pick in the 20's where it is highly unlikely to draft that type of player and there are no tall forwards who can competently play ruck available astounds me.

Then there will be complaints we did nothing if we don't allegedly pay overs. Our list had 3 significant structural deficiencies. Getting Lobb would mean we have corrected 2 for the short term.

Proper drafting and development of players and gamestyle will address the rest so hopefully those making the decisions follow through on the above

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Dunkley and Pickering would never admit this but the Bears have been totally irresponsible towards them with this deal.

They have known for a long time that they needed points for F/S.

The last two years we have had to deal with F/S and NGS scenarios and have not been irresponsible to any other player potentially wanting to come to us.
 
X_box_X said:
Hold on, aren't we using the same tactics with Brisbane for Dunkley?

If it's good for the Goose, why isn't it good for the Gander?

It may be hard, but try to be impartial here.
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Ones in his prime
And one will be 30 and has only played one good season which was this season past
Um what
 
Dav1d said:
Ones in his prime
And one will be 30 and has only played one good season which was this season past
Um what
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One is also contracted and one is uncontracted.

Big difference.

I want to get fair compensation for Dunkley like everyone else, but you can't expect Fremantle to get rid of a contracted leading goal kicker for peanuts.
 
X_box_X said:
Hold on, aren't we using the same tactics with Brisbane for Dunkley?

If it's good for the Goose, why isn't it good for the Gander?

It may be hard, but try to be impartial here.
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Yeah, nah

Most impartial observers would agree that two late first for Dunkley is a reasonable ask. The Taranto trade is a good example for an unbiased look at what fair value would be.

I think it's also true that most impartial observers would agree that 11 for Lobb is a ridiculous ask.
 
lachy said:
Then there will be complaints we did nothing if we don't allegedly pay overs. Our list had 3 significant structural deficiencies. Getting Lobb would mean we have corrected 2 for the short term.
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2 or 1? Jury out on that one as a fit Bruce is better forwards imo. It just improves 2nd ruck a little
 
Rory Lobb will be a handy player for us. But not first round draft pick handy.

Freo can hang onto the fact that he is a contracted player as a means of boosting their perceived negotiating power. Conversely they can also hang the Albatros of having a player who isnt invested in the club around their neck for an entire season where they would be expecting to compete for a flag.

Its the same reason that a Dunkley will be traded or sent to the PSD.
 
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