Recruiting AFL Trade & Free Agency X - Club has elected not to fill list spot - Davey returning from injury?

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[faible]

Once they tagged pick 7 to it, they didn't need to give Bowes all the power of picking a club as well. Why couldn't they say, pick 3 clubs, and we'll negotiate the best deal and send you there.

I read a comment on Twitter that nailed it quite well.

The AFL has green-lit salary dump trades, but unlike the big US sports, the AFL player has to tick off the trade, so they've only actually addressed one side of the equation which results in Bowes getting to nominate the Premier, who can then spread his salary over extra years, and bring a top-10 draft pick along with him.

The entire deal had the power in the hands of Geelong & Bowes, not Gold Coast. Sure, it's resulting from GCS having shit list management, but ultimately only having addressed one side of the equation (allowing salary dumps) but not the other (not forcing the original contract to be honored as-is OR allowing a player to be traded to any club) they've ****ed up.

Not to worry though, next year this loophole will be closed so only Geelong benefit from it. Whoops.

 

[eth-dog]

I read a comment on Twitter that nailed it quite well.

The AFL has green-lit salary dump trades, but unlike the big US sports, the AFL player has to tick off the trade, so they've only actually addressed one side of the equation which results in Bowes getting to nominate the Premier, who can then spread his salary over extra years, and bring a top-10 draft pick along with him.

The entire deal had the power in the hands of Geelong & Bowes, not Gold Coast. Sure, it's resulting from GCS having s**t list management, but ultimately only having addressed one side of the equation (allowing salary dumps) but not the other (not forcing the original contract to be honored as-is OR allowing a player to be traded to any club) they've cactus up.

Not to worry though, next year this loophole will be closed so only Geelong benefit from it. Whoops.

Yeah, if the AFL had done both it would have been us or Hawthorne to get him.

 

[Wahooti Fandango]

So hopefully we'll all be smoking weid by the end of the day.

 

[eth-dog]

Still hoping for a Jack Bytel DFA honestly.

 

[citizen-erased]

Still hoping for a Jack Bytel DFA honestly.

Dfa period is post draft yeah?

 

[Chief Hopper]

This seems to have been the most spiteful AFL trade period ever hey?

Looking at how Collingwood and Bulldogs supporters are moaning about losing 1 player for a pittance I wonder if they ever stop and think what Dodoro had to do, for years, with staving the walkout of Dons players post drugs saga.

 

[LB#16]

Dfa period is post draft yeah?

Starts Nov 3rd. So three weeks from tomorrow. Ends on the 9th.

 

[eth-dog]

Dfa period is post draft yeah?

Pre-draft. SSP is post-draft

 

[andleanback]

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I still can't help but wonder what GC would look like if the list and management was reversed with GWS.

I see virtually no reason Victorians, West Aussies and South Aussies would stay in Brisbane and not GC.

They're onto build/rebuild 3 and the coach has burned through 4 top 10 picks, 1 of whom was actually a flight risk, and their list management is still a shambles.

They seem not to have placed any emphasis on building team around characters who actually want to be at GC.

I now read that Bowes' family relocated to GC and became involved in player welfare. Was his grandma even involved?

The club is not struggling because it is on the GC. It is struggling because at every part of its history it has been run by idiots at AFL house and on the GC.

It was always going to be raided for talent. Rather than putting together a team of hardened pros to set the foundation to capitalise on its competitive advantage, the beach, the weather and bikini clad women (seriously were talking about getting 18 year old professional sportsmen to go and do a job), it's been wasting its time and cap space on (potential) superstars.

It's not like they didn't have Roos' Sydney as a model.

That’s my point it’s fixable if they start winning. To do that they need to build a successful list and to do that they need to stop overpaying players and blowing up their cap with bad lost management. If the players don’t want to be there let them leave, there will be players who like the lifestyle (Miller witts etc), invest in them. You’re never going to have long term success as a club if you constantly are overpaying players, you’ve got to draw and line and stand up to the agents taking advantage of your club.

 

[andleanback]

Lions and Swans have winning cultures though that give the club that bit of leverage in return, not to mention a lifestyle that offers players a bit more anonymity and, let's face it, warmer climes.

Gws had a winning culture for 5-6 years and a very good playing group culture. Players love playing there. Agents still take advantage of the situation of when Victorians are drafted too that club.

 

[faible]

Gws had a winning culture for 5-6 years and a very good playing group culture. Players love playing there. Agents still take advantage of the situation of when Victorians are drafted too that club.

GWS also draft too many midfielders, then complain when those high draft pick midfielders leave for opportunity 2 years later because the midfield is already stacked. Meanwhile they're rolling out trash for almost every other position.

 

[citizen-erased]

GWS also draft too many midfielders, then complain when those high draft pick midfielders leave for opportunity 2 years later because the midfield is already stacked. Meanwhile they're rolling out trash for almost every other position.

Reckon they'll change tact a bit.
Cadman to go with hogan
Busslinger to replace haynes (or maybe hayes)
George/konstanty to compliment greene

 

[eth-dog]

Reckon they'll change tact a bit.
Cadman to go with hogan
Busslinger to replace haynes (or maybe hayes)
George/konstanty to compliment greene

I'd be shocked if Busslinger lasted to pick 15.

 

[faible]

Reckon they'll change tact a bit.
Cadman to go with hogan
Busslinger to replace haynes (or maybe hayes)
George/konstanty to compliment greene

For their own good they need to learn the lesson, keep drafting high pick midfielders, keep losing them 2 years on due to opportunity, rinse and repeat.

 

[citizen-erased]

I'd be shocked if Busslinger lasted to pick 15.

Can see them trading up for him.

 

[eth-dog]

Can see them trading up for him.

I doubt it. Sam Taylor is a legitimate star, Himmelberg seems to have gone bananas since moving to defence, they drafted Leek Aleer last year and even someone like Idun is solid enough as a medium defender.

If I were them I'd be keeping 15, 18 and 19.

 

[faible]

I doubt it. Sam Taylor is a legitimate star, Himmelberg seems to have gone bananas since moving to defence, they drafted Leek Aleer last year and even someone like Idun is solid enough as a medium defender.

If I were them I'd be keeping 15, 18 and 19.

In before they trade all 3 to us for 4 to draft Tsatas.

 

[BrunoV]

I doubt it can happen other than as SPP or in the PSD because we'll need open list spots to use picks for points but just get into O'Halloran's ear, promise him a contract so he doesn't re-sign with GWS.

Setterfield and XOH would be a really good set or reclamation projects for the midfield.

I'm neither here nor there on Weidemann. Seems a bit unnecessary but he's also genuinely capable of becoming best 22.

 

[Milanista28]

Pretty simple solution to these first rounders wanting out;

First round selections = 4 year deals
Second round selection = 3 year deals
Third round selections = 2 years
Fourth round onwards = 1 year deals. This includes dokies and SSP

If you pick a s**t first rounder and want to delist, do so at one’s own peril. Furthermore, by year 4 a player is established or not in the industry, giving drafting club more power at the wheel for the first three years.

Those later selections have always been throwing darts at a draft board.



And just on the ‘salary dump’, I really like the idea of being forced to pay what said player is needing to be paid so to not have the ability to ‘smooth out’.

Geelong have enough perks to seduce players ‘home’.


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When can the 1st rounders renegotiate their contract terms? Surely Daicos doesn't need to play on low wages for 4 years?

 

[andleanback]

Can see them trading up for him.

Why ? They’ve got Taylor and leek aleer

 

[boncer34]

Can someone explain how making JHF sign a 4 year instead if 2 year contract would've stopped him from asking for a trade?

 

[doug85]

Can someone explain how making JHF sign a 4 year instead if 2 year contract would've stopped him from asking for a trade?

It wouldn’t have. But norf could have held him for a couple more years in the hope they can turn him around.

 

[Lore]

It wouldn’t have. But norf could have held him for a couple more years in the hope they can turn him around.

Or asked a king's ransom for trading him.

I think 4 year initial deals would have to come with the ability for clubs to trade future picks more than 1 year in advance, otherwise I'm not sure anyone would agree to it.

 

[Milanista28]

It wouldn’t have. But norf could have held him for a couple more years in the hope they can turn him around.

Pep Guardiola has always said if you don't want to be here 100% then you can go, it's a trust thing. Clubs should rarely keep players who ask out.

 

[eth-dog]

When can the 1st rounders renegotiate their contract terms? Surely Daicos doesn't need to play on low wages for 4 years?

First 2 years must be rookie wages then after that they can sign an extension whenever they want