Fantasy 2022 - EMPIRE League - Discussion

[00Stinger]

I just reckon we start taking picks off people seriously, unless there is a very clear reason why it happened.

Strike 1 6th
Strike 2 5th
Strike 3 4th
Strike 4 3rd
Strike 5 2nd
Strike 6 1st

Or we have a league where any player who scores a 0 is replaced by the highest scoring playing in the same position on their reserves

Takes away tanking, could possibly be exploited the other way though I guess

 

[Exe Gesis]

1. It might track it each week, prior to week start, but it goes away as lineups start scoring, and where's the overall optimal points tracker that one can look at after the wash of a season and use to configure draft standings?

2. As ADP said, people have different roster sizes, and, people carry different roster types, some more at RB than WR, some more DE, some more CB, etc, and, people carry different rosters in terms of hoarding rookies or not, and, that can be also due to various salary caps people have. For instance, im perennially at maxed at 100m and whenever i make roster moves i have to consider player salaries, stashing 2nd/3rd string rookies for depth in case, and, theres really not a lot of decent players in waiver pool anyway, so how can you force people to all carry equal value rosters when theres a clear value discrepancy among rosters anyway due to cap, injuries, etc

3. It's a paid league, so that is a kind of natural deterrent for tanking anyway. If someone wants to tank and blow $30 doing it. I know 30 isn't a big amount, cost of a pizza night once a week. But it's a natural deterrent anyway.

4. If there's a debate about an alternative method for draft rankings it should be more all-play record. Eg, I'm 5-2 somehow tho should be more 1-6, i have some weird mojo going on where my opponent is forced to score a lower score than they usually get against anyone else, but my all-play is a true reflection of where i rank in the league. If i even had any high picks, i should be still drafting earlier in the draft even if i finish the league say winning the whole thing, because roster is actually poorer (all-play) than most the league.

4b. But again, I'm not even tanking, I have zero cap and a shitty roster, and trying each week to make it better but there isnt much on offer in waivers nor can i afford it. And many people are hard-pressed and/or theres nothing in waivers thats better option. So even if luck wasnt on my side and I was actually 1-6, it wasn't due to tanking.

5. People often make starting lineup blunders each week. It happens every league. Choosing one guy over another or whose to know that so-and-so would break out that week with a big score that in the end wouldve got you the win of only you started him. Hindsight.

6. If anything can be argued is people leaving OUTs and BYEs in their starting lineup (bar K/P) is a cause for arguing for punishment. Where commish retroactively changes their starting ducks for benched scorers. Or a post-gane manual salary adjustment. But ib a paid league, where h2h W's matter, the person who got the win against that team and then had the score adjusted of his rival seeing him now lose, would be justifiably angry and not condone such.

7. So perhaps better deterrent and punishment is just stripping peoples picks and them still copping the weekly loss. If theyre genuinely tanking, soon theyll be forced to stop when they have no good picks left. Or instead of stripping their picks, moving all their picks to the end of each draft round instead.

 

[Exe Gesis]

Forgot to add....

8. i dont like forcing/coercing people to have similar roster types, taking away the individual flair and strategies....where some hoard more TEs in RWT, or others more WRs in RWT, or some just have a ton of top DEs but have meh CBs while others have a lot of good CB and S to make up for lack of good DEs. Or some carry more dartboard throws on rookies than others (due to cap, etc). You cant force teams to have equal rosters, dont like that communistic approach. The salary cap itself and the annual Feb-Apr re-signings and tags is there doing that job of helping to drive a little parity, forcing cuts and letting top players go to FA.

9. Nor do i like the idea of changing peoples starters post-week to their highest scorers or doing a manual adjustment, because it takes away the whole management thing, where it doesnt matter if you err or not, youll be saved.

10. It's a paid league, inbuilt reason to not tank unlike free leagues, theres a restrictive cap, rosters are naturally always going to have a disparity from team to team due to poor drafting, poor trading, high cap, injuries, lack of waiver options, etc, thats part of digging yourself out, or the fat living well for a few years, being a deserving dynasty inside the league, taking off with the yearly prizemoney.

.....Anyway, it has to be a clear undisputable sign of a tank across multiple weeks, not a random week here or there. Byes and outs is the only way to judge it. If it happens more than once or twice then maybe league can pass judgment and a punishment could be moving their picks to end of each round. Tho you might get a person rage quit the league over it, feeling hard done by. Has to be something decided on before the next season starts and in place during the season.

 

[00Stinger]

I'm going to be in the top 2 or 3 high scoring teams for the year with a 3-4 record.

And my two highest scoring offensive players (Hollywood Brown & Hall) are potentially out for the year

And I have no 1st or 2nd round picks this year

FML

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

I'm going to be in the top 2 or 3 high scoring teams for the year with a 3-4 record.

And my two highest scoring offensive players (Hollywood Brown & Hall) are potentially out for the year

And I have no 1st or 2nd round picks this year

FML

There are worse IRs out there, I got hammered in a league the past two weeks. Forced to start 3 WRs minimum. My top 3 Brown, Metcalf and Williams all potentially out for multiple weeks. At least youre not forced to start X number of a position in this league, makes it easier to cope

Has to be something decided on before the next season starts and in place during the season.

I agree, shouldn't change it this year. Need deterrents in place moving forward though imo.

 

[00Stinger]

There are worse IRs out there, I got hammered in a league the past two weeks. Forced to start 3 WRs minimum. My top 3 Brown, Metcalf and Williams all potentially out for multiple weeks. At least youre not forced to start X number of a position in this league, makes it easier to cope



I agree, shouldn't change it this year. Need deterrents in place moving forward though imo.

Yeah I get Keenan Allan back so it's not doom and gloom

It's more around not cashing in when my scoring has been high and if I fall away I have no draft picks

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Yeah I get Keenan Allan back so it's not doom and gloom

It's more around not cashing in when my scoring has been high and if I fall away I have no draft picks

If Mike Williams is out for multiple weeks with a high ankle sprain as looks the case right now, Allen's target share about to go sky high.

 

[BeinPurplenGreen]

BeinPurplenGreen blatant tanking starting Darel Williams and Agnew surely. Particularly with Williams. First time BPG has started him this year, DNP reports all week, named out a day before his game. Agnew DNP reports all week, been ruled out for over a day now and BPG been on the site since then, but maybe im overreacting to Agnew, he did start him last week! Can see he'd think hes an essential part of his lineup after scoring 4 points!

How many first round picks does he lose GG?

In a league based on H2H, it should remain W-L record. MFL doesn't even track potential points. Just PF, by Starter, by Bench, all separate to search for. Anyway, I don't think anyone is tanking. BpG this week may have started Agnew and Williams but he didnt really have options. Marvin Jones, sure, but that's it. Given waivers run nightly, and the salary cap so restrictive, plus not much on offer on offense in waivers anyway, it's not easy to avoid goose eggs in a starting lineup from time to time

OK I won't quote others posts, though not surprising that yet again I am being accused of tanking by a mod.
Which led to me being kicked out as a mod on multiple BF boards and being told to stop posting, so we won't go there again.

But, just specifically, have you seen:
# the available FAs for offensive players in Empire;
# the impact of bye weeks on my player availability; and
# my IR list over the last 3 weeks???

I recorded my highest ever Empire score, across a decade of playing, just three weeks ago.
How the **** can you shitheads accuse me of tanking?? Really?

Now I have to forfeit picks because people hoard WRs, I have mass injuries and my bye weeks all happen on the same week??

**** you.

 

[BeinPurplenGreen]

**** you to everyone that thinks I tank ever in any fantasy comp. **** you. **** you all.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

OK I won't quote others posts, though not surprising that yet again I am being accused of tanking by a mod.
Which led to me being kicked out as a mod on multiple BF boards and being told to stop posting, so we won't go there again.

But, just specifically, have you seen:
# the available FAs for offensive players in Empire;
# the impact of bye weeks on my player availability; and
# my IR list over the last 3 weeks???

I recorded my highest ever Empire score, across a decade of playing, just three weeks ago.
How the * can you shitheads accuse me of tanking?? Really?

Now I have to forfeit picks because people hoard WRs, I have mass injuries and my bye weeks all happen on the same week??

* you.

So starting players that are confirmed out when you've been online, have used the waiver this week and have healthy players on your bench that could be used shouldn't be considered tanking? Start Jones, Blackshear or even Tevin Coleman in place of Williams and Agnew and we wouldnt be having this discussion

 

[BeinPurplenGreen]

So starting players that are confirmed out when you've been online, have used the waiver this week and have healthy players on your bench that could be used shouldn't be considered tanking? Start Jones, Blackshear or even Tevin Coleman in place of Williams and Agnew and we wouldnt be having this discussion

Not one of the players "confirmed as out" were out when I was last online on Empire, every one of them was listed as a Q (likely to play) when I set my lineup. Same status list on both Fleaflicker and ESPN sites when I set my teams there.

Stop accusing me of cheating.

 

[Blacky]

Or we have a league where any player who scores a 0 is replaced by the highest scoring playing in the same position on their reserves

Takes away tanking, could possibly be exploited the other way though I guess

But then people can just play scrubs who get a couple points.

Honestly reckon you won’t find many new leagues that don’t utilise potential points. It legit just takes the heart ache out of this.

If people want to carry fewer players to keep max points low then they’re just hurting themselves by lost opportunity

 

[BeinPurplenGreen]

Also JOnes was listed as "out", and my waiver claim for Coleman hadn't even processed yet.

FFS get your facts straight.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Not one of the players "confirmed as out" were out when I was last online on Empire, every one of them was listed as a Q (likely to play) when I set my lineup. Same status list on both Fleaflicker and ESPN sites when I set my teams there.

Stop accusing me of cheating.

Williams had DNPs all week, no one ever expected him to play. Agnew was confirmed out Saturday, you were on MFL after that. I checked before I posted what I did to make sure.

Crack the sads as much as you like. Just stating facts.

 

[Blacky]

OK I won't quote others posts, though not surprising that yet again I am being accused of tanking by a mod.
Which led to me being kicked out as a mod on multiple BF boards and being told to stop posting, so we won't go there again.

But, just specifically, have you seen:
# the available FAs for offensive players in Empire;
# the impact of bye weeks on my player availability; and
# my IR list over the last 3 weeks???

I recorded my highest ever Empire score, across a decade of playing, just three weeks ago.
How the * can you shitheads accuse me of tanking?? Really?

Now I have to forfeit picks because people hoard WRs, I have mass injuries and my bye weeks all happen on the same week??

* you.

Can you actually read moron

I’m not even talking about BPG here.

Absolute drama Queen **** head

 

[BeinPurplenGreen]

Have you seen my IR??

Have you seen my bye weeks?

Have you seen the FA list for offensive players?

What was I supposed to do?:? Oh that's right, trade a top player to all dat for a 6th rounder and a dud.
No, **** off.

I find it fascinating given results over the last 3 years (and indeed deliberate selections in just the last 4 weeks by certain teams) that suddenly I am tanking. And suddenly certain people are all about me cheating and making me forfeit picks.

**** you.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Also JOnes was listed as "out", and my waiver claim for Coleman hadn't even processed yet.

FFS get your facts straight.

Coleman was acquired last week, FFS you get your facts straight

 

[Blacky]

Have you seen my IR??

Have you seen my bye weeks?

Have you seen the FA list for offensive players?

What was I supposed to do?:? Oh that's right, trade a top player to all dat for a 6th rounder and a dud.
No, * off.

I find it fascinating given results over the last 3 years (and indeed deliberate selections in just the last 4 weeks by certain teams) that suddenly I am tanking. And suddenly certain people are all about me cheating and making me forfeit picks.

* you.

Not everything is about you.

I just want potential points. Then we never have to have this conversation ever again. Would be bliss.

 

[BeinPurplenGreen]

Williams had DNPs all week, no one ever expected him to play. Agnew was confirmed out Saturday, you were on MFL after that. I checked before I posted what I did to make sure.

Crack the sads as much as you like. Just stating facts.

Not facts at all, made up bullshit by you.

Also conveniently leaving out your agitation that I rejected your trade request.

Agnew was NOT confirmed out on NFL (and not by his team) until this morning just before the game. No facts, just trash.

 

[Blacky]

I don’t care about anyones team and am not tracking who is starting who, but we have the ability to with one move eliminate the ability to tank. It’s bewildering to me that we aren’t taking it.

 

[BeinPurplenGreen]

Coleman was acquired last week, FFS you get your facts straight

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Coleman was in last weeks waivers, didn't hit my squad until Wednesday this week, I didn't log on until Friday after that.

Not sure where you are getting these "facts" about me logging on and being able to make changes from.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Not facts at all, made up bullshit by you.

Also conveniently leaving out your agitation that I rejected your trade request.

Agnew was NOT confirmed out on NFL (and not by his team) until this morning just before the game. No facts, just trash.

What are you talking about? What has you rejecting my trade request got anything to do with anything?

Also... 2 days ago ruled out hey? Get your facts straight FFS

 

[BeinPurplenGreen]

I am suddenly being accused of tanking, 3 weeks after my biggest ever score in Empire?

WTF??

Does anyone have any evidence that I have ever tanked in any league across the 15 years I have been on bigfooty??
AFL, NFL or any other fantasy league??

A big allegation to make against me.
I'd like to see picks forfeited for unfounded allegations of tanking.

 

[BeinPurplenGreen]

What are you talking about? What has you rejecting my trade request got anything to do with anything?

Also... 2 days ago ruled out hey? Get your facts straight FFS

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That might be what the MFL newsbot Empire news headline site said, but it was not what the NFL status was, what the teams own site said, or what ESPN, fleaflicker or sleeper said.

Why are you so keen to accuse me of tanking?

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

That might be what the MFL newsbot Empire news headline site said, but it was not what the NFL status was, what the teams own site said, or what ESPN, fleaflicker or sleeper said.

Why are you so keen to accuse me of tanking?

I could do this all night... why are you insisting on digging yourself a deeper hole? 3 days ago confirmed out on fleaflicker, reported by ESPN!



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