Training 2022 - 2023 Off-Season and Pre-Season training Watch

[hawkman]

They really want people to attend these games with those timeslots

 

[Simon Crawshay]

I hear what you are saying but I can understand the thinking. Clarko's was all about the team and even moreso after the failures in 2011-12. Having players like Sam sacrifice their game for the team in the 2013 GF was what he was about.

I'm not against playing team footy but I don't know what wearing/not wearing long sleeves has to do with that.

I'm a big believe in treating players like adults. Let them wear what they want, do what they want outside club hours, etc as long as they don't break any laws and turn up to training and game day and give 100%.

Of course you could look at it two ways and say it was about trying to get the most out of the playing group/produce good citizens but I think Clarkos ultra controlling ways were beginning to wear thin on the playing group at the end of his tenure.

 

[KermitJagger]

Will Day on the ones to watch in 2023

Will Day gives his insight into being back at the club, and who to look out for in the 2023 pre-season.

www.hawthornfc.com.au

Will Day

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Will Day

Age

23

Ht

191cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.5

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

7.5

5star

M

5.0

5star

T

1.0

3star

CL

0.5

2star

D

17.5

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

7.5

4star

M

5.0

5star

T

1.0

2star

CL

0.5

3star

D

17.5

5star

K

10.0

4star

HB

7.5

5star

M

5.0

5star

T

1.0

3star

CL

0.5

3star

on the pre-season so far. Shouting out young CMac as the man to watch.

 

[PT Bar None]

I'm not against playing team footy but I don't know what wearing/not wearing long sleeves has to do with that.

I'm a big believe in treating players like adults. Let them wear what they want, do what they want outside club hours, etc as long as they don't break any laws and turn up to training and game day and give 100%.

Of course you could look at it two ways and say it was about trying to get the most out of the playing group/produce good citizens but I think Clarkos ultra controlling ways were beginning to wear thin on the playing group at the end of his tenure.

Yep. All this stuff feels like a good idea when you're winning and tedious when you're 2nd last

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Will Day on the ones to watch in 2023

Will Day gives his insight into being back at the club, and who to look out for in the 2023 pre-season.

www.hawthornfc.com.au

Will Day on the pre-season so far. Shouting out young CMac as the man to watch.

CMac is looking more defined across the shoulders and arms. Lots of guys are though.

 

[Simon Crawshay]

CMac is looking more defined across the shoulders and arms. Lots of guys are though.

Finally we seem to be spending some effort on bulking up in the pre season instead of stripping weight.

Not before time in my opinion.

 

[Simon Crawshay]

Yep. All this stuff feels like a good idea when you're winning and tedious when you're 2nd last

Yes could be that we won that three peat because we had Buddy, Rough, Cyril, Hodge, Mitchell, Lake, etc, etc, etc not because of a ban on long sleeves

 

[TylerDurden]

CMac is looking more defined across the shoulders and arms. Lots of guys are though.

Burge has only just started too. Can't wait to see what he does with the boys.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Finally we seem to be spending some effort on bulking up in the pre season instead of stripping weight.

Not before time in my opinion.

Worth remembering that Lewis bulked up too much last summer and had to take it back a bit.

 

[hawkmang]

Worth remembering that Lewis bulked up too much last summer and had to take it back a bit.

Same with Worpedo

 

[Mercy Seat]

I'm not against playing team footy but I don't know what wearing/not wearing long sleeves has to do with that.

I'm a big believe in treating players like adults. Let them wear what they want, do what they want outside club hours, etc as long as they don't break any laws and turn up to training and game day and give 100%.

Of course you could look at it two ways and say it was about trying to get the most out of the playing group/produce good citizens but I think Clarkos ultra controlling ways were beginning to wear thin on the playing group at the end of his tenure.

I just think there’s different styles of leadership and different philosophies. Clarko was a control freak and believed in buying into a cause bigger than yourself, which included reducing anything personal that distracted took away from the team. Not a unique philosophy, it’s what underlines many clubs and armies and organisations, and it’s proven to work. We have 4 flags to attest to it and there are countless leadership books that support this way of doing it.

However, you’re right, it did rub people up the wrong way sometimes and, regardless of where the current First Nations investigation ends up, it’s clear that as a minimum, this approach did not work for everyone.

Sam has a new refreshing style but it’s completely different. Will it work? We don’t know fully at this stage, but I think that the younger generation of today respond much better to more freedom to express personality as opposed to the older, strict adherence to a code.

 

[Simon Crawshay]

I just think there’s different styles of leadership and different philosophies. Clarko was a control freak and believed in buying into a cause bigger than yourself, which included reducing anything personal that distracted took away from the team. Not a unique philosophy, it’s what underlines many clubs and armies and organisations, and it’s proven to work. We have 4 flags to attest to it and there are countless leadership books that support this way of doing it.

However, you’re right, it did rub people up the wrong way sometimes and, regardless of where the current First Nations investigation ends up, it’s clear that as a minimum, this approach did not work for everyone.

Sam has a new refreshing style but it’s completely different. Will it work? We don’t know fully at this stage, but I think that the younger generation of today respond much better to more freedom to express personality as opposed to the older, strict adherence to a code.

Plenty of truth in what you have said I don't deny it.

But I can't help but feel that once Fages left Clarko basically had free reign to do what he wanted he pushed that philosophy to the limit (that stunt with making the first year players go Christmas carolling was mortifying).

Sam is no less a ruthless campaigner than Clarko but I think Sam recognises that policing incidental stuff like long sleeves is just a distraction and will probably just p..s the players off for no net benefit.

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

I am hopefull Mitchell Sruk is our next mid season draft success from boxhill.

 

[threesixpio]

I just think there’s different styles of leadership and different philosophies. Clarko was a control freak and believed in buying into a cause bigger than yourself, which included reducing anything personal that distracted took away from the team. Not a unique philosophy, it’s what underlines many clubs and armies and organisations, and it’s proven to work. We have 4 flags to attest to it and there are countless leadership books that support this way of doing it.

However, you’re right, it did rub people up the wrong way sometimes and, regardless of where the current First Nations investigation ends up, it’s clear that as a minimum, this approach did not work for everyone.

Sam has a new refreshing style but it’s completely different. Will it work? We don’t know fully at this stage, but I think that the younger generation of today respond much better to more freedom to express personality as opposed to the older, strict adherence to a code.

Nailed it

 

[threesixpio]

Plenty of truth in what you have said I don't deny it.

But I can't help but feel that once Fages left Clarko basically had free reign to do what he wanted he pushed that philosophy to the limit (that stunt with making the first year players go Christmas carolling was mortifying).

Sam is no less a ruthless campaigner than Clarko but I think Sam recognises that policing incidental stuff like long sleeves is just a distraction and will probably just p..s the players off for no net benefit.

It’s also entirely possible that the winning culture of the threepeat included a bit of smart ass rebellion against the Clarko control freakism with figures such as Mitchell, Hodge, Rough etc. Maybe the Mitchell/Hodge culture was an undercurrent that lead to results

So Fages leaving is compounded by Lewis, Hodge and Mitchell leaving

 

[Toasted]

Plenty of truth in what you have said I don't deny it.

But I can't help but feel that once Fages left Clarko basically had free reign to do what he wanted he pushed that philosophy to the limit (that stunt with making the first year players go Christmas carolling was mortifying).

Sam is no less a ruthless campaigner than Clarko but I think Sam recognises that policing incidental stuff like long sleeves is just a distraction and will probably just p..s the players off for no net benefit.

I’ve said this a few times. Fages seemed to be the one person at the club who could tell Clarko that he was wrong, or at least challenge him when he made a decision. Clarko really did seem to have free reign to do what he wanted once he left.

 

[Suntory Boss Coffee]

DGB looks a tiny bit bigger

 

[Suntory Boss Coffee]

 

[KermitJagger]

From that Instagram training video, Ned Long looks in fairly ripping condition.

 

[matey]

With some of the rumours flying around during the trade period …….. great to see the young lad smiling and having some fun

 

[Satchel]

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from the looks of the tattoo he has been hanging out with Hardwick a bit too much

 

[brad sue well]

I’ve said this a few times. Fages seemed to be the one person at the club who could tell Clarko that he was wrong, or at least challenge him when he made a decision. Clarko really did seem to have free reign to do what he wanted once he left.

I remember Clarko saying that he had to put his friendship on hold with David Flood when he asked him to work at HFC and it demonstrated a really professional approach.

Was Rob McCartney a friend from teaching? He was a principal at a school before Clarko got him once and then maybe a second stint? I agree, not sure Rob had the same ability to tell Clarko to pull his head in and without decades of Fagan football club experience, maybe less sure/confident/authoritative. Not a criticism as 'managing' an adult is not really something that should have to be done. MCcartney seems decent and I thought may go to the Roos but I now can't help but think he as a person can do his best work after a few years of experience and Mitchell is a lot closer to his wavelength. To see McCartney involved in the AFLW program at times through the media just looks genuine. That Bailey, Woodward and Suckling are at Ormond FC as is McCartney's son I believe shows you the type of person he seeks out, a reflection of himself.

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

I remember Clarko saying that he had to put his friendship on hold with David Flood when he asked him to work at HFC and it demonstrated a really professional approach.

Was Rob McCartney a friend from teaching? He was a principal at a school before Clarko got him once and then maybe a second stint? I agree, not sure Rob had the same ability to tell Clarko to pull his head in and without decades of Fagan football club experience, maybe less sure/confident/authoritative. Not a criticism as 'managing' an adult is not really something that should have to be done. MCcartney seems decent and I thought may go to the Roos but I now can't help but think he as a person can do his best work after a few years of experience and Mitchell is a lot closer to his wavelength. To see McCartney involved in the AFLW program at times through the media just looks genuine. That Bailey, Woodward and Suckling are at Ormond FC as is McCartney's son I believe shows you the type of person he seeks out, a reflection of himself.

Yep.

McCartney is a fantastic football person, we are lucky to have him.

 

[Suntory Boss Coffee]

disappointed with the lack of content so far from the pre-season. Should have daily interviews with the players. Last upload on the Youtube channel was two weeks ago.

 

[HawthornHawk]

disappointed with the lack of content so far from the pre-season. Should have daily interviews with the players. Last upload on the Youtube channel was two weeks ago.

I'm disappointed with the lack of pre season content here to be fair..

 

[hawkmang]

Anyone know when Brocky is joining pre-season?