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Is he Edward, Eddie, Ed or Ted? Or Butch - for us older fans?

Whatever we call him, I like the look of him.
 
Vicky Park said:
Is he Edward, Eddie, Ed or Ted? Or Butch - for us older fans?

Whatever we call him, I like the look of him.
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Fast Eddie after his combine run.
 
loki04 said:
Imo 194cm is still fine for a KPF with athletic ability.
Curnow is doing it at 193cm, quick, long reach, big leap and mobile.

I'm just not sure Allen plays like a KPF in any case. That would be the harder transition.
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That is true, and yet I could imagine if he got up to 198-ish there would be more people asking the question about whether he should be experimented with up forward than if he remains at 194cm.
 

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Vicky Park said:
Is he Edward, Eddie, Ed or Ted? Or Butch - for us older fans?

Whatever we call him, I like the look of him.
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What’s his hair like?
 
Without wanting to be a pain just wanted to post further on the idea of kids playing early and often in their 1st 2 years. Breakdown the Collingwood list of 2022 all players who were drafted as teens

Look at games played total and season 1 and 2 and draft possie. Look where the cream of our list is.

30-40 games

De Goey 36 games total, 16 season 1, 20 season 2, DRAFT PICK 5
Sidebottom 36, (11,25) Draft pick 11
Elliott 35 (15,20) draft trade, approx 25
Howe 35 (13,22) pick 33
McCreery 35 (13/22) pick 44
Pendles 32 (9/23) pick 5
Adams 31 (15/16) pick 13

20-30 Games

Maynard 29 (9/20) pick 30
Ginnivan 28 (5/23) rookie
Moore 26 (9/17) pick 9
Henry 25 (10/15) pick 17
Nick D 25 (25/ plenty) pick 4 ******************************
Grundy 22 (7/15) pick 18

10-20 games

WHE 19 (10/9) pick 4
Lippa 18 (1/17) pick 28
Quaynor 14 (4/11) pick 13
Ruscoe 13 (4/9) pick 55
Cal Brown 13 (5/8) pick 35
Poulter 13 (11/2) pick 30
Josh D 12 (2/10) pick 35
Crisp 12 (10/2) rookie
Bianco 12 (0/12) pick 45
Macrae 11 (9/2) pick 19


1-10 Games

Roughy 8 (-/8) pick 31
McInnes 6 (-/6) pick 23
Begg 3 (-/3) Mid season
Murphy 2 (2/-) pick 39
Chugg 2 (-/2) Rookie
Kelly 1 (-/1) pick 29

0 games

Tyler B 0 (0/0) pick 50
Kreuger 0 (0/0) Alt pathway
McMahon 0 (0/0)
Draper 0 (0/?) pick 45
Murley 0 (0/?) pick 49
Harrison 0 (0/?) pick 52

Really instructive the 1st 2 seasons

All the players 20+ games are either very good players or above or project that way. Makes you wince a little more at the Henry loss.
A few of the 10-20, bolded, are either very good or above or project that way
All the 10 and below are good ordinaries at best or 1st to second years who are not yet threatening best 22. If you dont by end of year 2 you are probably not going to end up in the better half of AFL players. (McInnes has an injury * as does Murphy.) If you dont get a game in your 1st season you are probably going to struggle.


So Ed Allen be aiming for an early debut and play at least 20 games in your 1st 2 seasons. Figures suggest if you dont you aint going to become a player to excite us over the next 10 years.

Draft possie pretty irrelevent, more high picks will turn into stars but no matter where you are picked play early and often if you want a substantial career, good players dont wait.

Also augers really well for career of Ginnivan and McCreery
 
Gone Critical said:
Nah, he grew late but he is done. 18 and 6 months now. Images of him playing footy this year is an adult body. Hard to get cms when you can grow a dirty tash.

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I've seen 13 year olds with more chin hair. Does that mean they are done growing? ;)
 
Gold Rocks said:
Some photos of Ed’s dad and Ed’s mums cousin Peter Mann who’s the same height as ed. View attachment 1565655View attachment 1565656View attachment 1565657View attachment 1565658View attachment 1565659View attachment 1565673Ed could be a monster when he puts in the muscle baulk and could turn into a tall fast Chris Judd with better forward craft. Sky is the limit so maybe Ed could be the new modern dayAnthony Koutoufides?View attachment 1565662View attachment 1565663
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Physique wise Ed clearly throws to the Mann side of the family. He has the same broad shoulders & height.
But his Dad was a more than handy player too.
 
Gone Critical said:
Without wanting to be a pain just wanted to post further on the idea of kids playing early and often in their 1st 2 years. Breakdown the Collingwood list of 2022 all players who were drafted as teens

Look at games played total and season 1 and 2 and draft possie. Look where the cream of our list is.

30-40 games

De Goey 36 games total, 16 season 1, 20 season 2, DRAFT PICK 5
Sidebottom 36, (11,25) Draft pick 11
Elliott 35 (15,20) draft trade, approx 25
Howe 35 (13,22) pick 33
McCreery 35 (13/22) pick 44
Pendles 32 (9/23) pick 5
Adams 31 (15/16) pick 13

20-30 Games

Maynard 29 (9/20) pick 30
Ginnivan 28 (5/23) rookie
Moore 26 (9/17) pick 9
Henry 25 (10/15) pick 17
Nick D 25 (25/ plenty) pick 4 ******************************
Grundy 22 (7/15) pick 18

10-20 games

WHE 19 (10/9) pick 4
Lippa 18 (1/17) pick 28
Quaynor 14 (4/11) pick 13
Ruscoe 13 (4/9) pick 55
Cal Brown 13 (5/8) pick 35
Poulter 13 (11/2) pick 30
Josh D 12 (2/10) pick 35
Crisp 12 (10/2) rookie
Bianco 12 (0/12) pick 45
Macrae 11 (9/2) pick 19


1-10 Games

Roughy 8 (-/8) pick 31
McInnes 6 (-/6) pick 23
Begg 3 (-/3) Mid season
Murphy 2 (2/-) pick 39
Chugg 2 (-/2) Rookie
Kelly 1 (-/1) pick 29

0 games

Tyler B 0 (0/0) pick 50
Kreuger 0 (0/0) Alt pathway
McMahon 0 (0/0)
Draper 0 (0/?) pick 45
Murley 0 (0/?) pick 49
Harrison 0 (0/?) pick 52

Really instructive the 1st 2 seasons

All the players 20+ games are either very good players or above or project that way. Makes you wince a little more at the Henry loss.
A few of the 10-20, bolded, are either very good or above or project that way
All the 10 and below are good ordinaries at best or 1st to second years who are not yet threatening best 22. If you dont by end of year 2 you are probably not going to end up in the better half of AFL players. (McInnes has an injury * as does Murphy.) If you dont get a game in your 1st season you are probably going to struggle.


So Ed Allen be aiming for an early debut and play at least 20 games in your 1st 2 seasons. Figures suggest if you dont you aint going to become a player to excite us over the next 10 years.

Draft possie pretty irrelevent, more high picks will turn into stars but no matter where you are picked play early and often if you want a substantial career, good players dont wait.

Also augers really well for career of Ginnivan and McCreery
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Thanks GC. Interesting reminder that champions such as Pendles and Moore played relatively few games in their first year. And by comparison the freak that is Nick Daicos played every game in year 1.
 

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Ugene41 said:
And Pavlich like KPP versatility
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Sorry to intrude but I think you have a very good one here. We all know his dad was a super skilful gun before he was struck down early with a knee injury that eventually forced him to retire at 28 (didn’t really train in his last 2-3 years). But his mother is a Mann, cousin of Peter who played for NM and Captained the Dockers. That is where he gets his height from (Peter was also 194cm). Ed is excellent on both feet and if he can combine the traits of Peter Mann (who was very agile for his size) and the skills of Ben Allan you will have a player who can play in any position on the ground. Also if he takes after his old man, he won’t die wondering. Would have loved to see him in purple, but now Collingwood is my second team.


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FreoMatt said:
Sorry to intrude but I think you have a very good one here. We all know his dad was a super skilful gun before he was struck down early with a knee injury that eventually forced him to retire at 28 (didn’t really train in his last 2-3 years). But his mother is a Mann, cousin of Peter who played for NM and Captained the Dockers. That is where he gets his height from (Peter was also 194cm). Ed is excellent on both feet and if he can combine the traits of Peter Mann (who was very agile for his size) and the skills of Ben Allan you will have a player who can play in any position on the ground. Also if he takes after his old man, he won’t die wondering. Would have loved to see him in purple, but now Collingwood is my second team.


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Best of both Peter Mann + Ben Allen => Peter Allen
 
No aspersions cast here, but have a look at the legs on the bloke! Standing next to Richards and Ryan, Allen has the skinniest thighs in the world, unbelievable for a big boy with that frame. He has skinnier legs than a small framed 176cm Richards!

Hopefully he is a very late bloomer and he starts to pack on some muscle on that frame if he is to turn into a big bodied midfielder.

If you look at the players people are projecting his cieling for, they all have big powerful legs and strong through the hips so they can run through tackles and break tags (Cripps, Bont, Judd, even degoey etc.)

Being quick off the mark doesn't mean as much in an AFL midfield when you are being held and blocked at the contest. You need to have the power to go with it to overwhelm your opponent and leave them behind.

If he adds kgs to his frame but in proportion to his current build, he will project more as a winger/outside midfielder, power through the legs and lower body is not as important for outside midfielders.
 
FreoMatt said:
But his mother is a Mann, cousin of Peter who played for NM and Captained the Dockers. That is where he gets his height from (Peter was also 194cm).
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Cheers for the info. Is Peter any relation to premiership magpie Neil Mann?
 
Rhysoid said:
No aspersions cast here, but have a look at the legs on the bloke! Standing next to Richards and Ryan, Allen has the skinniest thighs in the world, unbelievable for a big boy with that frame. He has skinnier legs than a small framed 176cm Richards!

Hopefully he is a very late bloomer and he starts to pack on some muscle on that frame if he is to turn into a big bodied midfielder.

If you look at the players people are projecting his cieling for, they all have big powerful legs and strong through the hips so they can run through tackles and break tags (Cripps, Bont, Judd, even degoey etc.)

Being quick off the mark doesn't mean as much in an AFL midfield when you are being held and blocked at the contest. You need to have the power to go with it to overwhelm your opponent and leave them behind.

If he adds kgs to his frame but in proportion to his current build, he will project more as a winger/outside midfielder, power through the legs and lower body is not as important for outside midfielders.
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So did Dustin Fletcher and he could do it all. Ed will add a bit more muscle and strength. Even one pre season changes a players physique. A year or two outside and than inside if that's what McRae sees him as.
He looks good to me. I appreciate your thoughts mate.
 

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