Training 2023 Pre Season

[plugger66]

Yes but this dancing with your sister is in front of the new step dad who is working out who gets first crack at the keys to the car.

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I’d be happy dancing with anyone at the moment.

 

[plugger66]

The lack of players fully participating in the match sim is concerning.

Agreed. It’s only about 5 weeks until we play against another side and we only have one or maybe 2 practice games and the start of the year is pretty tough.

 

[gubby88]

I went down to a pre season session down at Sandringham last year around the same time. Huge difference between the standard and skills level. The training session i saw was drills and a full ground match sim. Last year there was no method in the way the ball was moved, the ball did not move with flow and with purpose. Most of the time the player with the ball was either caught, turned it over, gave to the wrong option or kicked to a pack Forward entries were poor, long and direct. I left thinking not much has changed in our game plan but hopeful that it was pre season and it would improve from there.

• Training over all was a really good vibe, players are up and about, training with purpose and intensity, a lot of talk out there from the group. There was joking around but they were trying to get the most out the drills, between drills players they got a drink then straight back to it.
• Players were providing a lot of feedback to each other and no being afraid to challenge other out. In one of the drills a bunch of the senior players were out on the hill side wing. Higgo came out of the forward line on a lead didnt get the ball and Seb Ross said some thing to him. He mentioned Allison not being in the right position, they told him to go and speak to him which he did.
• Listening to that group of senior players (steele, hill, ross, crouch and two others) speak while they were resting. It sounded like they were very clear in what was being asked from them by the coaches.
• RTB is a posing figure out on the track. He had a great mix of challenging players but being able to joke around with them as well. Multiple times he would stop the play and directly call out a player, he would first ask them what they were doing wrong then give them advice. Players received the feedback really well and acted on feedback. You can see there is a lot of respect between the group and Ross. Most conversations would finish with his type of humour and a word of encouragement. At one point 3 coaching/training staff (not harves, banga or BJ) were in the middle of the ground talking during the 13 v 13 drill. He noticed this and made a point to stop the play and ask them what was happening. The quickly ended their conversion and spread out to observe.
• Coaches and more importantly players would stop drills and point out things. When a drill reset there was always conversations happening. Younger players were giving feedback to more senior players.
• Goddard doesn't talk or act like a first year coach. It looks like he has the respect of the senior players as he would give them feedback and they would fully engage in the conversation.
• Between most drills every player would have set shots. Hayes asked why the green hat group had gone for set shots and the other coach replied that they wanted to because they were not fatigued.
• Between every drill windy would have a set shot/s before getting a drink. One time he missed, got super cut at him self and then slotted 3 in a row. He is putting in the work, excited to see what he becomes and also for windy to mentor phillipou. At the same stage of their carer, same work ethic and desire to get better.
• There is a real intent to move the ball quickly. This time round there is method and skills levels are good. They were making the right decision more often than not. Interesting thing i heard was a player called out hill for not giving the ball off. Hill said that while that was on, the next two plays were not and it would have been turned over. They were thinking about the bigger picture and switch up the play to break through the lines. Our game plan looks balanced. Players knew where to go and move into space, when to call for the ball and when not to call for the ball.
• Players really got around some one who did the smalll things spoil, block ect.
• The group practicing center bounce work was Marshall, Steele, Gresh, Ross, Crouch and Clark.
• Hilly looks very up and about
• Sinclair looks like he is ready to go again. Carries himself and plays with a lot of confidence.
• Nas has put on size. He was also doing drills with the backs towards the end.
• Owens was playing up forward. If he didn't take the contested mark, his follow up work was great.
• Pou did some really nice things which reflected his highlights. Still got a bit of work to do. Which will all be down to confidence. Once that clicks he will start marking the ball out in front and taking the game on more.
• Moose did some nice things. Took some strong marks. Was getting beaten by Marshall most of the time but didn't look completely out of his depth.
• Byrnes moved really well and looked good
• Cordy does not look and move like a afl footballer. Way off the pace during conditioning running at the end. I honestly thought he was a sandy fill in until I saw him running back towards me.
• Stoker did some good things, he is a strong player. Eyre looked like a man with not much confidence. Didn't really seem to be pushing him self or doing much. Maybe through feedback it has already been decided who has a spot.
• There was a group of about 100+ kids. There were doing tours of the space and hanging out in the rec area playing games. The clubs is investing in grass routes football (future supporters and $$$)

From what I saw last year, compared to this year. It is going to be a much more exciting/enjoyable team to watch.

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[gringo2011]

I went down to a pre season session down at Sandringham last year around the same time. Huge difference between the standard and skills level. The training session i saw was drills and a full ground match sim. Last year there was no method in the way the ball was moved, the ball did not move with flow and with purpose. Most of the time the player with the ball was either caught, turned it over, gave to the wrong option or kicked to a pack Forward entries were poor, long and direct. I left thinking not much has changed in our game plan but hopeful that it was pre season and it would improve from there.

• Training over all was a really good vibe, players are up and about, training with purpose and intensity, a lot of talk out there from the group. There was joking around but they were trying to get the most out the drills, between drills players they got a drink then straight back to it.
• Players were providing a lot of feedback to each other and no being afraid to challenge other out. In one of the drills a bunch of the senior players were out on the hill side wing. Higgo came out of the forward line on a lead didnt get the ball and Seb Ross said some thing to him. He mentioned Allison not being in the right position, they told him to go and speak to him which he did.
• Listening to that group of senior players (steele, hill, ross, crouch and two others) speak while they were resting. It sounded like they were very clear in what was being asked from them by the coaches.
• RTB is a posing figure out on the track. He had a great mix of challenging players but being able to joke around with them as well. Multiple times he would stop the play and directly call out a player, he would first ask them what they were doing wrong then give them advice. Players received the feedback really well and acted on feedback. You can see there is a lot of respect between the group and Ross. Most conversations would finish with his type of humour and a word of encouragement. At one point 3 coaching/training staff (not harves, banga or BJ) were in the middle of the ground talking during the 13 v 13 drill. He noticed this and made a point to stop the play and ask them what was happening. The quickly ended their conversion and spread out to observe.
• Coaches and more importantly players would stop drills and point out things. When a drill reset there was always conversations happening. Younger players were giving feedback to more senior players.
• Goddard doesn't talk or act like a first year coach. It looks like he has the respect of the senior players as he would give them feedback and they would fully engage in the conversation.
• Between most drills every player would have set shots. Hayes asked why the green hat group had gone for set shots and the other coach replied that they wanted to because they were not fatigued.
• Between every drill windy would have a set shot/s before getting a drink. One time he missed, got super cut at him self and then slotted 3 in a row. He is putting in the work, excited to see what he becomes and also for windy to mentor phillipou. At the same stage of their carer, same work ethic and desire to get better.
• There is a real intent to move the ball quickly. This time round there is method and skills levels are good. They were making the right decision more often than not. Interesting thing i heard was a player called out hill for not giving the ball off. Hill said that while that was on, the next two plays were not and it would have been turned over. They were thinking about the bigger picture and switch up the play to break through the lines. Our game plan looks balanced. Players knew where to go and move into space, when to call for the ball and when not to call for the ball.
• Players really got around some one who did the smalll things spoil, block ect.
• The group practicing center bounce work was Marshall, Steele, Gresh, Ross, Crouch and Clark.
• Hilly looks very up and about
• Sinclair looks like he is ready to go again. Carries himself and plays with a lot of confidence.
• Nas has put on size. He was also doing drills with the backs towards the end.
• Owens was playing up forward. If he didn't take the contested mark, his follow up work was great.
• Pou did some really nice things which reflected his highlights. Still got a bit of work to do. Which will all be down to confidence. Once that clicks he will start marking the ball out in front and taking the game on more.
• Moose did some nice things. Took some strong marks. Was getting beaten by Marshall most of the time but didn't look completely out of his depth.
• Byrnes moved really well and looked good
• Cordy does not look and move like a afl footballer. Way off the pace during conditioning running at the end. I honestly thought he was a sandy fill in until I saw him running back towards me.
• Stoker did some good things, he is a strong player. Eyre looked like a man with not much confidence. Didn't really seem to be pushing him self or doing much. Maybe through feedback it has already been decided who has a spot.
• There was a group of about 100+ kids. There were doing tours of the space and hanging out in the rec area playing games. The clubs is investing in grass routes football (future supporters and $$$)

From what I saw last year, compared to this year. It is going to be a much more exciting/enjoyable team to watch.

Windhager has the right attitude to extract every drop of what looks like it might be above average talent. Phillipou seems to have it too. If you hit the jackpot and have considerable talent, confidence and application in the same package, that's when you're talking the very best of the best types.

Windahager has the application at the very minimum at the moment and if you were a betting man you'd be pretty confident in the others developing quickly. Nat Fyfe really exploded in his 4th year and that seems like the usual path for guns after showing signs early. Hopefully he's more Bont or Selwood though. I'm impatient.

 

[Mowman]

Fantastic news.
Marathons are available again.
Might celebrate with a fresh Growler.

Always prefer my growler fresh

 

[The Jack]

Always prefer my growler fresh

And well groomed.

 

[George]

I went down to a pre season session down at Sandringham last year around the same time. Huge difference between the standard and skills level. The training session i saw was drills and a full ground match sim. Last year there was no method in the way the ball was moved, the ball did not move with flow and with purpose. Most of the time the player with the ball was either caught, turned it over, gave to the wrong option or kicked to a pack Forward entries were poor, long and direct. I left thinking not much has changed in our game plan but hopeful that it was pre season and it would improve from there.

• Training over all was a really good vibe, players are up and about, training with purpose and intensity, a lot of talk out there from the group. There was joking around but they were trying to get the most out the drills, between drills players they got a drink then straight back to it.
• Players were providing a lot of feedback to each other and no being afraid to challenge other out. In one of the drills a bunch of the senior players were out on the hill side wing. Higgo came out of the forward line on a lead didnt get the ball and Seb Ross said some thing to him. He mentioned Allison not being in the right position, they told him to go and speak to him which he did.
• Listening to that group of senior players (steele, hill, ross, crouch and two others) speak while they were resting. It sounded like they were very clear in what was being asked from them by the coaches.
• RTB is a posing figure out on the track. He had a great mix of challenging players but being able to joke around with them as well. Multiple times he would stop the play and directly call out a player, he would first ask them what they were doing wrong then give them advice. Players received the feedback really well and acted on feedback. You can see there is a lot of respect between the group and Ross. Most conversations would finish with his type of humour and a word of encouragement. At one point 3 coaching/training staff (not harves, banga or BJ) were in the middle of the ground talking during the 13 v 13 drill. He noticed this and made a point to stop the play and ask them what was happening. The quickly ended their conversion and spread out to observe.
• Coaches and more importantly players would stop drills and point out things. When a drill reset there was always conversations happening. Younger players were giving feedback to more senior players.
• Goddard doesn't talk or act like a first year coach. It looks like he has the respect of the senior players as he would give them feedback and they would fully engage in the conversation.
• Between most drills every player would have set shots. Hayes asked why the green hat group had gone for set shots and the other coach replied that they wanted to because they were not fatigued.
• Between every drill windy would have a set shot/s before getting a drink. One time he missed, got super cut at him self and then slotted 3 in a row. He is putting in the work, excited to see what he becomes and also for windy to mentor phillipou. At the same stage of their carer, same work ethic and desire to get better.
• There is a real intent to move the ball quickly. This time round there is method and skills levels are good. They were making the right decision more often than not. Interesting thing i heard was a player called out hill for not giving the ball off. Hill said that while that was on, the next two plays were not and it would have been turned over. They were thinking about the bigger picture and switch up the play to break through the lines. Our game plan looks balanced. Players knew where to go and move into space, when to call for the ball and when not to call for the ball.
• Players really got around some one who did the smalll things spoil, block ect.
• The group practicing center bounce work was Marshall, Steele, Gresh, Ross, Crouch and Clark.
• Hilly looks very up and about
• Sinclair looks like he is ready to go again. Carries himself and plays with a lot of confidence.
• Nas has put on size. He was also doing drills with the backs towards the end.
• Owens was playing up forward. If he didn't take the contested mark, his follow up work was great.
• Pou did some really nice things which reflected his highlights. Still got a bit of work to do. Which will all be down to confidence. Once that clicks he will start marking the ball out in front and taking the game on more.
• Moose did some nice things. Took some strong marks. Was getting beaten by Marshall most of the time but didn't look completely out of his depth.
• Byrnes moved really well and looked good
• Cordy does not look and move like a afl footballer. Way off the pace during conditioning running at the end. I honestly thought he was a sandy fill in until I saw him running back towards me.
• Stoker did some good things, he is a strong player. Eyre looked like a man with not much confidence. Didn't really seem to be pushing him self or doing much. Maybe through feedback it has already been decided who has a spot.
• There was a group of about 100+ kids. There were doing tours of the space and hanging out in the rec area playing games. The clubs is investing in grass routes football (future supporters and $$$)

From what I saw last year, compared to this year. It is going to be a much more exciting/enjoyable team to watch.

Great stuff mate

 

[Mowman]

I went down to a pre season session down at Sandringham last year around the same time. Huge difference between the standard and skills level. The training session i saw was drills and a full ground match sim. Last year there was no method in the way the ball was moved, the ball did not move with flow and with purpose. Most of the time the player with the ball was either caught, turned it over, gave to the wrong option or kicked to a pack Forward entries were poor, long and direct. I left thinking not much has changed in our game plan but hopeful that it was pre season and it would improve from there.

• Training over all was a really good vibe, players are up and about, training with purpose and intensity, a lot of talk out there from the group. There was joking around but they were trying to get the most out the drills, between drills players they got a drink then straight back to it.
• Players were providing a lot of feedback to each other and no being afraid to challenge other out. In one of the drills a bunch of the senior players were out on the hill side wing. Higgo came out of the forward line on a lead didnt get the ball and Seb Ross said some thing to him. He mentioned Allison not being in the right position, they told him to go and speak to him which he did.
• Listening to that group of senior players (steele, hill, ross, crouch and two others) speak while they were resting. It sounded like they were very clear in what was being asked from them by the coaches.
• RTB is a posing figure out on the track. He had a great mix of challenging players but being able to joke around with them as well. Multiple times he would stop the play and directly call out a player, he would first ask them what they were doing wrong then give them advice. Players received the feedback really well and acted on feedback. You can see there is a lot of respect between the group and Ross. Most conversations would finish with his type of humour and a word of encouragement. At one point 3 coaching/training staff (not harves, banga or BJ) were in the middle of the ground talking during the 13 v 13 drill. He noticed this and made a point to stop the play and ask them what was happening. The quickly ended their conversion and spread out to observe.
• Coaches and more importantly players would stop drills and point out things. When a drill reset there was always conversations happening. Younger players were giving feedback to more senior players.
• Goddard doesn't talk or act like a first year coach. It looks like he has the respect of the senior players as he would give them feedback and they would fully engage in the conversation.
• Between most drills every player would have set shots. Hayes asked why the green hat group had gone for set shots and the other coach replied that they wanted to because they were not fatigued.
• Between every drill windy would have a set shot/s before getting a drink. One time he missed, got super cut at him self and then slotted 3 in a row. He is putting in the work, excited to see what he becomes and also for windy to mentor phillipou. At the same stage of their carer, same work ethic and desire to get better.
• There is a real intent to move the ball quickly. This time round there is method and skills levels are good. They were making the right decision more often than not. Interesting thing i heard was a player called out hill for not giving the ball off. Hill said that while that was on, the next two plays were not and it would have been turned over. They were thinking about the bigger picture and switch up the play to break through the lines. Our game plan looks balanced. Players knew where to go and move into space, when to call for the ball and when not to call for the ball.
• Players really got around some one who did the smalll things spoil, block ect.
• The group practicing center bounce work was Marshall, Steele, Gresh, Ross, Crouch and Clark.
• Hilly looks very up and about
• Sinclair looks like he is ready to go again. Carries himself and plays with a lot of confidence.
• Nas has put on size. He was also doing drills with the backs towards the end.
• Owens was playing up forward. If he didn't take the contested mark, his follow up work was great.
• Pou did some really nice things which reflected his highlights. Still got a bit of work to do. Which will all be down to confidence. Once that clicks he will start marking the ball out in front and taking the game on more.
• Moose did some nice things. Took some strong marks. Was getting beaten by Marshall most of the time but didn't look completely out of his depth.
• Byrnes moved really well and looked good
• Cordy does not look and move like a afl footballer. Way off the pace during conditioning running at the end. I honestly thought he was a sandy fill in until I saw him running back towards me.
• Stoker did some good things, he is a strong player. Eyre looked like a man with not much confidence. Didn't really seem to be pushing him self or doing much. Maybe through feedback it has already been decided who has a spot.
• There was a group of about 100+ kids. There were doing tours of the space and hanging out in the rec area playing games. The clubs is investing in grass routes football (future supporters and $$$)

From what I saw last year, compared to this year. It is going to be a much more exciting/enjoyable team to watch.

Ripping Post

 

[Diehard Saint]

I went down to a pre season session down at Sandringham last year around the same time. Huge difference between the standard and skills level. The training session i saw was drills and a full ground match sim. Last year there was no method in the way the ball was moved, the ball did not move with flow and with purpose. Most of the time the player with the ball was either caught, turned it over, gave to the wrong option or kicked to a pack Forward entries were poor, long and direct. I left thinking not much has changed in our game plan but hopeful that it was pre season and it would improve from there.

• Training over all was a really good vibe, players are up and about, training with purpose and intensity, a lot of talk out there from the group. There was joking around but they were trying to get the most out the drills, between drills players they got a drink then straight back to it.
• Players were providing a lot of feedback to each other and no being afraid to challenge other out. In one of the drills a bunch of the senior players were out on the hill side wing. Higgo came out of the forward line on a lead didnt get the ball and Seb Ross said some thing to him. He mentioned Allison not being in the right position, they told him to go and speak to him which he did.
• Listening to that group of senior players (steele, hill, ross, crouch and two others) speak while they were resting. It sounded like they were very clear in what was being asked from them by the coaches.
• RTB is a posing figure out on the track. He had a great mix of challenging players but being able to joke around with them as well. Multiple times he would stop the play and directly call out a player, he would first ask them what they were doing wrong then give them advice. Players received the feedback really well and acted on feedback. You can see there is a lot of respect between the group and Ross. Most conversations would finish with his type of humour and a word of encouragement. At one point 3 coaching/training staff (not harves, banga or BJ) were in the middle of the ground talking during the 13 v 13 drill. He noticed this and made a point to stop the play and ask them what was happening. The quickly ended their conversion and spread out to observe.
• Coaches and more importantly players would stop drills and point out things. When a drill reset there was always conversations happening. Younger players were giving feedback to more senior players.
• Goddard doesn't talk or act like a first year coach. It looks like he has the respect of the senior players as he would give them feedback and they would fully engage in the conversation.
• Between most drills every player would have set shots. Hayes asked why the green hat group had gone for set shots and the other coach replied that they wanted to because they were not fatigued.
• Between every drill windy would have a set shot/s before getting a drink. One time he missed, got super cut at him self and then slotted 3 in a row. He is putting in the work, excited to see what he becomes and also for windy to mentor phillipou. At the same stage of their carer, same work ethic and desire to get better.
• There is a real intent to move the ball quickly. This time round there is method and skills levels are good. They were making the right decision more often than not. Interesting thing i heard was a player called out hill for not giving the ball off. Hill said that while that was on, the next two plays were not and it would have been turned over. They were thinking about the bigger picture and switch up the play to break through the lines. Our game plan looks balanced. Players knew where to go and move into space, when to call for the ball and when not to call for the ball.
• Players really got around some one who did the smalll things spoil, block ect.
• The group practicing center bounce work was Marshall, Steele, Gresh, Ross, Crouch and Clark.
• Hilly looks very up and about
• Sinclair looks like he is ready to go again. Carries himself and plays with a lot of confidence.
• Nas has put on size. He was also doing drills with the backs towards the end.
• Owens was playing up forward. If he didn't take the contested mark, his follow up work was great.
• Pou did some really nice things which reflected his highlights. Still got a bit of work to do. Which will all be down to confidence. Once that clicks he will start marking the ball out in front and taking the game on more.
• Moose did some nice things. Took some strong marks. Was getting beaten by Marshall most of the time but didn't look completely out of his depth.
• Byrnes moved really well and looked good
• Cordy does not look and move like a afl footballer. Way off the pace during conditioning running at the end. I honestly thought he was a sandy fill in until I saw him running back towards me.
• Stoker did some good things, he is a strong player. Eyre looked like a man with not much confidence. Didn't really seem to be pushing him self or doing much. Maybe through feedback it has already been decided who has a spot.
• There was a group of about 100+ kids. There were doing tours of the space and hanging out in the rec area playing games. The clubs is investing in grass routes football (future supporters and $$$)

From what I saw last year, compared to this year. It is going to be a much more exciting/enjoyable team to watch.

Thanks for the post.
Really informative. And objective.
Getting very excited to watch this bunch under the new coaching structure.

 

[plugger66]

Windhager has the right attitude to extract every drop of what looks like it might be above average talent. Phillipou seems to have it too. If you hit the jackpot and have considerable talent, confidence and application in the same package, that's when you're talking the very best of the best types.

Windahager has the application at the very minimum at the moment and if you were a betting man you'd be pretty confident in the others developing quickly. Nat Fyfe really exploded in his 4th year and that seems like the usual path for guns after showing signs early. Hopefully he's more Bont or Selwood though. I'm impatient.

I will take the 2 time Brownlow medialist ability but he seems more your Selwood type. That would be fine. Lenny type would be good as well. I think he is a bit like him without the step.

 

[plugger66]

Fantastic news.
Marathons are available again.
Might celebrate with a fresh Growler.

Made my life

 

[BrutThough]

Agreed. It’s only about 5 weeks until we play against another side and we only have one or maybe 2 practice games and the start of the year is pretty tough.

We are going to have a lot playing catch up at the start of the season without them having a full, proper pre season.

 

[SteeleSaints]

I went down to a pre season session down at Sandringham last year around the same time. Huge difference between the standard and skills level. The training session i saw was drills and a full ground match sim. Last year there was no method in the way the ball was moved, the ball did not move with flow and with purpose. Most of the time the player with the ball was either caught, turned it over, gave to the wrong option or kicked to a pack Forward entries were poor, long and direct. I left thinking not much has changed in our game plan but hopeful that it was pre season and it would improve from there.

• Training over all was a really good vibe, players are up and about, training with purpose and intensity, a lot of talk out there from the group. There was joking around but they were trying to get the most out the drills, between drills players they got a drink then straight back to it.
• Players were providing a lot of feedback to each other and no being afraid to challenge other out. In one of the drills a bunch of the senior players were out on the hill side wing. Higgo came out of the forward line on a lead didnt get the ball and Seb Ross said some thing to him. He mentioned Allison not being in the right position, they told him to go and speak to him which he did.
• Listening to that group of senior players (steele, hill, ross, crouch and two others) speak while they were resting. It sounded like they were very clear in what was being asked from them by the coaches.
• RTB is a posing figure out on the track. He had a great mix of challenging players but being able to joke around with them as well. Multiple times he would stop the play and directly call out a player, he would first ask them what they were doing wrong then give them advice. Players received the feedback really well and acted on feedback. You can see there is a lot of respect between the group and Ross. Most conversations would finish with his type of humour and a word of encouragement. At one point 3 coaching/training staff (not harves, banga or BJ) were in the middle of the ground talking during the 13 v 13 drill. He noticed this and made a point to stop the play and ask them what was happening. The quickly ended their conversion and spread out to observe.
• Coaches and more importantly players would stop drills and point out things. When a drill reset there was always conversations happening. Younger players were giving feedback to more senior players.
• Goddard doesn't talk or act like a first year coach. It looks like he has the respect of the senior players as he would give them feedback and they would fully engage in the conversation.
• Between most drills every player would have set shots. Hayes asked why the green hat group had gone for set shots and the other coach replied that they wanted to because they were not fatigued.
• Between every drill windy would have a set shot/s before getting a drink. One time he missed, got super cut at him self and then slotted 3 in a row. He is putting in the work, excited to see what he becomes and also for windy to mentor phillipou. At the same stage of their carer, same work ethic and desire to get better.
• There is a real intent to move the ball quickly. This time round there is method and skills levels are good. They were making the right decision more often than not. Interesting thing i heard was a player called out hill for not giving the ball off. Hill said that while that was on, the next two plays were not and it would have been turned over. They were thinking about the bigger picture and switch up the play to break through the lines. Our game plan looks balanced. Players knew where to go and move into space, when to call for the ball and when not to call for the ball.
• Players really got around some one who did the smalll things spoil, block ect.
• The group practicing center bounce work was Marshall, Steele, Gresh, Ross, Crouch and Clark.
• Hilly looks very up and about
• Sinclair looks like he is ready to go again. Carries himself and plays with a lot of confidence.
• Nas has put on size. He was also doing drills with the backs towards the end.
• Owens was playing up forward. If he didn't take the contested mark, his follow up work was great.
• Pou did some really nice things which reflected his highlights. Still got a bit of work to do. Which will all be down to confidence. Once that clicks he will start marking the ball out in front and taking the game on more.
• Moose did some nice things. Took some strong marks. Was getting beaten by Marshall most of the time but didn't look completely out of his depth.
• Byrnes moved really well and looked good
• Cordy does not look and move like a afl footballer. Way off the pace during conditioning running at the end. I honestly thought he was a sandy fill in until I saw him running back towards me.
• Stoker did some good things, he is a strong player. Eyre looked like a man with not much confidence. Didn't really seem to be pushing him self or doing much. Maybe through feedback it has already been decided who has a spot.
• There was a group of about 100+ kids. There were doing tours of the space and hanging out in the rec area playing games. The clubs is investing in grass routes football (future supporters and $$$)

From what I saw last year, compared to this year. It is going to be a much more exciting/enjoyable team to watch.

A brilliant post UU, it really affirms what other have been saying. You are obviously someone who has a handle on the nuances of footy.

 

[stfan]

So let's see how he goes then before writing him off. He's already a 100 game premiership player I doubt he's a hack. I remember when we signed Dawson everyone hated it, ended up a good player for us.

You are confusing two very different things. Ability and Fitness Level.
Not sure why you are raising Dawson? Dawson turned up fit and raring to go. No problems at all with his work ethic. He did the role that Lyon wanted him to do. Did anyone question Dawson's fitness or work ethic? = No. Did people people question his ability = sure.

Compare Cordy instead to Campbell. Campbell turned up fit and raring to go.


I did not write him off. What I have reported is that his fitness is well bellow the required level.


The reporting on Cordy, including by myself, in this the Pre-season trainig thread, is that for someone of his age (26) who has been at an AFL club for EIGHT years prior to St Kilda that his fitness level is appalling.


That Cordy being so out of condition has a 3 year deal is a concern to myself.

Can Cordy still make it? Sure, but again what I was reporting was that his fitness level right now is not at all what it should be.

The question with Cordy is why is he so unfit? Was he like that at the Dogs too? Has he just let himself go? Has he been unwell?

As you say he has played 100games, so why is he so far of the pace fitness wise?

 

[hangdog]

With Owens playing fwd and looking good will be interesting to see where Higgins fits in.
Anyone know how Higgins is looking on the track?

I would've thought Butler would be under more pressure for a spot than Higgins?

 

[Sun Ra]

You are confusing two very different things. Ability and Fitness Level.
Not sure why you are raising Dawson? Dawson turned up fit and raring to go. No problems at all with his work ethic. He did the role that Lyon wanted him to do. Did anyone question Dawson's fitness or work ethic? = No. Did people people question his ability = sure.

Compare Cordy instead to Campbell. Campbell turned up fit and raring to go.


I did not write him off. What I have reported is that his fitness is well bellow the required level.


The reporting on Cordy, including by myself, in this the Pre-season trainig thread, is that for someone of his age (26) who has been at an AFL club for EIGHT years prior to St Kilda that his fitness level is appalling.


That Cordy being so out of condition has a 3 year deal is a concern to myself.

Can Cordy still make it? Sure, but again what I was reporting was that his fitness level right now is not at all what it should be.

The question with Cordy is why is he so unfit? Was he like that at the Dogs too? Has he just let himself go? Has he been unwell?

As you say he has played 100games, so why is he so far of the pace fitness wise?

Absolute flat out stars like Cordy, don't need to be fit ffs.

 

[hayes]

I would've thought Butler would be under more pressure for a spot than Higgins?

We don’t have many small forwards so I don’t think either would be under much pressure.

 

[DougalHoward]

I would've thought Butler would be under more pressure for a spot than Higgins?

Butler is having a good preseason from what I've seen, if he can stay motivated could have another season like 2020

 

[Sun Ra]

I will take the 2 time Brownlow medialist ability but he seems more your Selwood type. That would be fine. Lenny type would be good as well. I think he is a bit like him without the step.

I see Windhager potentially as more of a Dangerfield type - but with a bit more speed.

 

[dudeintheswamp]

You are confusing two very different things. Ability and Fitness Level.
Not sure why you are raising Dawson? Dawson turned up fit and raring to go. No problems at all with his work ethic. He did the role that Lyon wanted him to do. Did anyone question Dawson's fitness or work ethic? = No. Did people people question his ability = sure.

Compare Cordy instead to Campbell. Campbell turned up fit and raring to go.


I did not write him off. What I have reported is that his fitness is well bellow the required level.


The reporting on Cordy, including by myself, in this the Pre-season trainig thread, is that for someone of his age (26) who has been at an AFL club for EIGHT years prior to St Kilda that his fitness level is appalling.


That Cordy being so out of condition has a 3 year deal is a concern to myself.

Can Cordy still make it? Sure, but again what I was reporting was that his fitness level right now is not at all what it should be.

The question with Cordy is why is he so unfit? Was he like that at the Dogs too? Has he just let himself go? Has he been unwell?

As you say he has played 100games, so why is he so far of the pace fitness wise?

Well said mate.

 

[plugger66]

I see Windhager potentially as more of a Dangerfield type - but with a bit more speed.

At least we have only used average players to decide his ability.

 

[Sun Ra]

At least we have only used average players to decide his ability.

That's why I said potentially mate.

 

[Sunshine Sainter]

I went down to a pre season session down at Sandringham last year around the same time. Huge difference between the standard and skills level. The training session i saw was drills and a full ground match sim. Last year there was no method in the way the ball was moved, the ball did not move with flow and with purpose. Most of the time the player with the ball was either caught, turned it over, gave to the wrong option or kicked to a pack Forward entries were poor, long and direct. I left thinking not much has changed in our game plan but hopeful that it was pre season and it would improve from there.

• Training over all was a really good vibe, players are up and about, training with purpose and intensity, a lot of talk out there from the group. There was joking around but they were trying to get the most out the drills, between drills players they got a drink then straight back to it.
• Players were providing a lot of feedback to each other and no being afraid to challenge other out. In one of the drills a bunch of the senior players were out on the hill side wing. Higgo came out of the forward line on a lead didnt get the ball and Seb Ross said some thing to him. He mentioned Allison not being in the right position, they told him to go and speak to him which he did.
• Listening to that group of senior players (steele, hill, ross, crouch and two others) speak while they were resting. It sounded like they were very clear in what was being asked from them by the coaches.
• RTB is a posing figure out on the track. He had a great mix of challenging players but being able to joke around with them as well. Multiple times he would stop the play and directly call out a player, he would first ask them what they were doing wrong then give them advice. Players received the feedback really well and acted on feedback. You can see there is a lot of respect between the group and Ross. Most conversations would finish with his type of humour and a word of encouragement. At one point 3 coaching/training staff (not harves, banga or BJ) were in the middle of the ground talking during the 13 v 13 drill. He noticed this and made a point to stop the play and ask them what was happening. The quickly ended their conversion and spread out to observe.
• Coaches and more importantly players would stop drills and point out things. When a drill reset there was always conversations happening. Younger players were giving feedback to more senior players.
• Goddard doesn't talk or act like a first year coach. It looks like he has the respect of the senior players as he would give them feedback and they would fully engage in the conversation.
• Between most drills every player would have set shots. Hayes asked why the green hat group had gone for set shots and the other coach replied that they wanted to because they were not fatigued.
• Between every drill windy would have a set shot/s before getting a drink. One time he missed, got super cut at him self and then slotted 3 in a row. He is putting in the work, excited to see what he becomes and also for windy to mentor phillipou. At the same stage of their carer, same work ethic and desire to get better.
• There is a real intent to move the ball quickly. This time round there is method and skills levels are good. They were making the right decision more often than not. Interesting thing i heard was a player called out hill for not giving the ball off. Hill said that while that was on, the next two plays were not and it would have been turned over. They were thinking about the bigger picture and switch up the play to break through the lines. Our game plan looks balanced. Players knew where to go and move into space, when to call for the ball and when not to call for the ball.
• Players really got around some one who did the smalll things spoil, block ect.
• The group practicing center bounce work was Marshall, Steele, Gresh, Ross, Crouch and Clark.
• Hilly looks very up and about
• Sinclair looks like he is ready to go again. Carries himself and plays with a lot of confidence.
• Nas has put on size. He was also doing drills with the backs towards the end.
• Owens was playing up forward. If he didn't take the contested mark, his follow up work was great.
• Pou did some really nice things which reflected his highlights. Still got a bit of work to do. Which will all be down to confidence. Once that clicks he will start marking the ball out in front and taking the game on more.
• Moose did some nice things. Took some strong marks. Was getting beaten by Marshall most of the time but didn't look completely out of his depth.
• Byrnes moved really well and looked good
• Cordy does not look and move like a afl footballer. Way off the pace during conditioning running at the end. I honestly thought he was a sandy fill in until I saw him running back towards me.
• Stoker did some good things, he is a strong player. Eyre looked like a man with not much confidence. Didn't really seem to be pushing him self or doing much. Maybe through feedback it has already been decided who has a spot.
• There was a group of about 100+ kids. There were doing tours of the space and hanging out in the rec area playing games. The clubs is investing in grass routes football (future supporters and $$$)

From what I saw last year, compared to this year. It is going to be a much more exciting/enjoyable team to watch.

Great write up, thanks so much for that

 

[dudeintheswamp]

Certainly will be interesting to see how they partner up Roma in the ruck in the early games. First matchup is against Darcy & Jackson and seems like we'll have a few unavailable then unfortunately.

 

[dudeintheswamp]

And as has been mentioned earlier, if something happens to Roma early in the season we'll have some problems.