Mega Thread Non-Freo AFL Discussion 2023

[Snuffaluphagus]

How do they manage to refresh their list and still be top 4 so often?

Most clubs rely on bottoming out

List management and trade negotiations are incredible

i think they have advantages where they start on 1st base (Sydney advantages have them on 2nd base) but behind it all is best in business development and talent identification. They don’t really miss on draft picks at all but they have terrific geographical and ‘endorsement’ advantages

 

[Joao]

Geelong are still getting older. It will end in tears at some point (Scott has acknowledged this) but I bet they are enjoying the ride.

 

[King Huskii]

Geelong are still getting older. It will end in tears at some point (Scott has acknowledged this) but I bet they are enjoying the ride.

Tears of joy don't you mean

They just won a premiership and now they have brought in more youth

 

[King Huskii]

i think they have advantages where they start on 1st base (Sydney advantages have them on 2nd base) but behind it all is best in business development and talent identification. They don’t really miss on draft picks at all but they have terrific geographical and ‘endorsement’ advantages

I haven't heard of 1st base and second base advantages

 

[Taylor]

That father son win they got in 2006 where they got the number one player in the draft for a third round pick and were then able to select their recently retired captain at pick seven has given them a boost for a long time. They effectively got two generational players for Geelong out of one first round pick.

The rules were changed, but the benefits remained for them.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I haven't heard of 1st base and second base advantages

Basically just advantages like academies and locations that give them a leg up over the likes of clubs like us and the Saints

 

[Yeti]

us and the Saints

 

[Quazar]

That father son win they got in 2006 where they got the number one player in the draft for a third round pick and were then able to select their recently retired captain at pick seven has given them a boost for a long time. They effectively got two generational players for Geelong out of one first round pick.

The rules were changed, but the benefits remained for them.

I had to look this up because my knowledge of AFL pre-2010 is pretty ropey. Turns out that Father-Son selection was one Tommy 'Tomahawk' Hawkins......handy pick up at 41 to say the least As I was nosing, I saw out first pick was 31 with Clayton Collard who I'd never even heard of. Turns out he managed just 1 game.

I realised I don't much about this sport overall, but also....it hasn't been great for Freo, has it..?!?!

 

[Superkoops]

Tears of joy don't you mean

They just won a premiership and now they have brought in more youth

Ins:
Tanner Bruhn (Pick 12, 2020 ND), age 20
Oliver Henry (Pick 17, 2020 ND), age 20
Jhye Clark (Pick 8, 2022 ND), age 18
All after winning 2022 premiership

Also added Jack Bowes (Pick 10, 2016 ND, age 25) for free.
Also selected three early to mid second round draftees in 2021.

Max Holmes pick 20 2020 ND, Shannon Neale pick 33 2020 ND
Cooper Stevens pick 16 2019 ND, Sam de Koning pick 19 2019 ND

They can progressively retire their older players whilst bringing in the new youth.

On numbers they have plenty of youth coming through. People may refer to draft capital used to bring in Cameron but they fleeced West Coast for Tim Kelly and used the majority of that trade capital for Cameron.

They are in a good place at the moment with good mix of Youth and older players.
Brisbane courtesy of two f/s picks also have a good blend.
Melbourne play the game well where they trade themselves back into first round using future picks and add mature age players via trades.

We are working our way into that mix but can’t keep losing quality players. You will always lose some players on the fringe, like Jordan Clark Geelong. But we have lost some very good players over the years (first round picks Weller, Neale, Cerra, Logue) as well as quality like Langdon, Meek. I don’t include BHill (pick 10, 2nd, Acres) and Lobb (pick 33, JOM) as they came to us for lowish cost (second round pick value each) and we more than got our value back and got good service from them.

 

[Ysaye]

I had to look this up because my knowledge of AFL pre-2010 is pretty ropey. Turns out that Father-Son selection was one Tommy 'Tomahawk' Hawkins......handy pick up at 41 to say the least As I was nosing, I saw out first pick was 31 with Clayton Collard who I'd never even heard of. Turns out he managed just 1 game.

I realised I don't much about this sport overall, but also....it hasn't been great for Freo, has it..?!?!

I still pretty much forgive the club for the Clayton Collard and Josh Simpson picks; as a watcher of players pre-draft they both had amazing skills and athleticism. I remember that I predicted (before he got drafted) that Clayton Collard would be the next Jason Akermanis (a Brownlow Medalist and triple premiership player for someone without pre-2010 knowledge ), and many draft watchers had him in their Top 10 for that year, whilst Josh Simpson was amazingly fast and had a great kick on him and was also in many draft watchers Top 10 (he was chosen at 18). Of course what was not taken into account was their ability to fit into an AFL environment - I guess both struggled with what is required to succeed at AFL in terms of discipline, training and mental application and were both let go early on in their careers.

 

[theGav56]

I had to look this up because my knowledge of AFL pre-2010 is pretty ropey. Turns out that Father-Son selection was one Tommy 'Tomahawk' Hawkins......handy pick up at 41 to say the least As I was nosing, I saw out first pick was 31 with Clayton Collard who I'd never even heard of. Turns out he managed just 1 game.

I realised I don't much about this sport overall, but also....it hasn't been great for Freo, has it..?!?!

Pretty sure the Collard draft was the one where we were accused of hiding stars and grabbing them for peanuts in the draft.

So far the only real advantage I can see in this has been Hawkins. Even under the current system they would have him on the list at the expense of Selwood.

Most of their other advantages are things we can also do.

They have developed tax advantaged investment for players in farms, which could be something our players and our President could be interested in. It's not a Geelong thing, it's a tax thing that Geelong makes available to their players

They work the go home factor hard. Jackson, Hamling, Clark, Hogan, O'Meara, Wilson. It's a great strategy. We could be best in the AFL.

The other area they excel in is finding players outside the normal AFL pathways. This includes Blicavs and the incoming Irishman, but they routinely pluck talented players with little profile in the draft. And they grabbed a sensational small forward who would look great in purple by a very clever and strategic management strategy. They saw the opportunity the Suns had last trade season but apparently had no takers for, and they took it.

 

[Kram]

‘Not a three or four month fix’: Bucks predicts Ross’ Saints drop to bottom four

 

[E Shed]

‘Not a three or four month fix’: Bucks predicts Ross’ Saints drop to bottom four

God I hope so. My biggest fear is Ross doing a number on us in Rd 1 and making some quip about just getting the 4 points like any other game after.

 

[BettercallSaul]

God I hope so. My biggest fear is Ross doing a number on us in Rd 1 and making some quip about just getting the 4 points like any other game after.

Haha I thought the same. Their injuries though will make it difficult for them.

 

[Mr Cheese]

I still pretty much forgive the club for the Clayton Collard and Josh Simpson picks; as a watcher of players pre-draft they both had amazing skills and athleticism. I remember that I predicted (before he got drafted) that Clayton Collard would be the next Jason Akermanis (a Brownlow Medalist and triple premiership player for someone without pre-2010 knowledge )

Mundy reckons he's the most talented player he ever saw at Freo, so you were pretty on the money. Just shows how many things need to line up to have a successful AFL career.



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[Purpletown]

Ins:
Tanner Bruhn (Pick 12, 2020 ND), age 20
Oliver Henry (Pick 17, 2020 ND), age 20
Jhye Clark (Pick 8, 2022 ND), age 18
All after winning 2022 premiership

Also added Jack Bowes (Pick 10, 2016 ND, age 25) for free.
Also selected three early to mid second round draftees in 2021.

Max Holmes pick 20 2020 ND, Shannon Neale pick 33 2020 ND
Cooper Stevens pick 16 2019 ND, Sam de Koning pick 19 2019 ND

They can progressively retire their older players whilst bringing in the new youth.

On numbers they have plenty of youth coming through. People may refer to draft capital used to bring in Cameron but they fleeced West Coast for Tim Kelly and used the majority of that trade capital for Cameron.

They are in a good place at the moment with good mix of Youth and older players.
Brisbane courtesy of two f/s picks also have a good blend.
Melbourne play the game well where they trade themselves back into first round using future picks and add mature age players via trades.

We are working our way into that mix but can’t keep losing quality players. You will always lose some players on the fringe, like Jordan Clark Geelong. But we have lost some very good players over the years (first round picks Weller, Neale, Cerra, Logue) as well as quality like Langdon, Meek. I don’t include BHill (pick 10, 2nd, Acres) and Lobb (pick 33, JOM) as they came to us for lowish cost (second round pick value each) and we more than got our value back and got good service from them.

Lachie Neale was pick 58, but he always played like a first round pick.

 

[Quazar]

I still pretty much forgive the club for the Clayton Collard and Josh Simpson picks; as a watcher of players pre-draft they both had amazing skills and athleticism. I remember that I predicted (before he got drafted) that Clayton Collard would be the next Jason Akermanis (a Brownlow Medalist and triple premiership player for someone without pre-2010 knowledge ), and many draft watchers had him in their Top 10 for that year, whilst Josh Simpson was amazingly fast and had a great kick on him and was also in many draft watchers Top 10 (he was chosen at 18). Of course what was not taken into account was their ability to fit into an AFL environment - I guess both struggled with what is required to succeed at AFL in terms of discipline, training and mental application and were both let go early on in their careers.

oi! I know who Jason Akermanis is, my knowledge isn't THAT bad!! He played very well for Saint Kilda

Pretty sure the Collard draft was the one where we were accused of hiding stars and grabbing them for peanuts in the draft.

So far the only real advantage I can see in this has been Hawkins. Even under the current system they would have him on the list at the expense of Selwood.

Most of their other advantages are things we can also do.

They have developed tax advantaged investment for players in farms, which could be something our players and our President could be interested in. It's not a Geelong thing, it's a tax thing that Geelong makes available to their players

They work the go home factor hard. Jackson, Hamling, Clark, Hogan, O'Meara, Wilson. It's a great strategy. We could be best in the AFL.

The other area they excel in is finding players outside the normal AFL pathways. This includes Blicavs and the incoming Irishman, but they routinely pluck talented players with little profile in the draft. And they grabbed a sensational small forward who would look great in purple by a very clever and strategic management strategy. They saw the opportunity the Suns had last trade season but apparently had no takers for, and they took it.

Interesting posts, illuminating stuff - shame about Collard and not making it, feels a bit 'Freo familiar' though. Well, up until recent years

 

[Superkoops]

Lachie Neale was pick 58, but he always played like a first round pick.

Very true - I should have said quality players rather than first round. I think all of Weller, Neale, Cerra and lesser extent Logue are all quality that requested trades. Money was a big factor for all except Cerra.

 

[freo84]

Now I know Will has made a few good calls but...ummm I dont think this is one of them.

 

[SupermanCapes]

Now I know Will has made a few good calls but...ummm I dont think this is one of them.

flipping lol

That's also such a nothing comment - there are 8 spots up the top and only one down the bottom. It would be like a Freo pessimist saying we're more likely to finish outside the 8 than we are to finish top spot. No shit, on probabilities that'll be bang on.

 

[mattis117]

Now I know Will has made a few good calls but...ummm I dont think this is one of them.

This is no doubt out of context, I'm sure he is saying this because both are unlikely, but he thinks they def won't win the spoon cause there are worse teams like North, Hawthorn.

One of those sound bites that people spin to make it seem he had said they are likely to make the eight, when in fact he hasn't said that at all.

E.g. Chances of them finishing last let's say is 1%, then if their chance of finishing top 8 is 1.1%, then his statement is true.

 

[freo84]

This is no doubt out of context, I'm sure he is saying this because both are unlikely, but he thinks they def won't win the spoon cause there are worse teams like North, Hawthorn.

One of those sound bites that people spin to make it seem he had said they are likely to make the eight, when in fact he hasn't said that at all.

E.g. Chances of them finishing last let's say is 1%, then if their chance of finishing top 8 is 1.1%, then his statement is true.

If he is being quoted correctly as saying the Eagles are "Far more likely" then the example of 1% to 1.1% isn't a great example. There's not much difference to be honest.

I'm not sure where the Eagles will finish but i think that if Nic Nat isn't going to play much then they will finish bottom 4 which is closer to a spoon than finals. North should improve but the Hawks will be diabolical. I have the Hawks as spooners this season.

 

[Mags98]

This is no doubt out of context, I'm sure he is saying this because both are unlikely, but he thinks they def won't win the spoon cause there are worse teams like North, Hawthorn.

One of those sound bites that people spin to make it seem he had said they are likely to make the eight, when in fact he hasn't said that at all.

E.g. Chances of them finishing last let's say is 1%, then if their chance of finishing top 8 is 1.1%, then his statement is true.

im sure hes predicted the eagles make the finals this pre-season as well though, they are a deluded bunch

think a few of them got hit with reality over the last weekend, they were really relying on dom sheed to get back in the finals

 

[holybishop]

im sure hes predicted the eagles make the finals this pre-season as well though, they are a deluded bunch

Very unfair on Schofield. One of the few out of the West Coast factory that is actually unbiased and gives Fremantle fair coverage.

 

[freo84]

Very unfair on Schofield. One of the few out of the West Coast factory that is actually unbiased and gives Fremantle a coverage.

I actually like his work in the media. His podcasts are pretty funny and he's well informed.