Game Day Collingwood v Brisbane, Gabba, 6 April, 7.45pm

[Jen2310]

Unclear why he was dropped for Carmichael in the first place to be frank.

I asked his dad, he needed a 4 quarter game, which is what I expected; even though us fans were pretty dirty he wasn't in the 23.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I asked his dad, he needed a 4 quarter game, which is what I expected; even though us fans were pretty dirty he wasn't in the 23.

Yeah totally understandable but so did Carmichael.

 

[Jen2310]

Yeah totally understandable but so did Carmichael.

I know, it didn't make sense they chose him since carmy didn't even play at all the week prior.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I know, it didn't make sense they chose him since carmy didn't even play at all the week prior.

Doesn’t matter now and we won, but maybe Bianco or Ruscoe might have been better choices.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Except the obvious reason that they wanted to get a full game in to him after 2 weeks of minimal game time.

Read the full sentence for context.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Doesn’t matter now and we won, but maybe Bianco or Ruscoe might have been better choices.

Carmichael played a full VFL game yesterday and got 18 possessions, but on form, there would be a couple at least ahead of him in line for the sub job next week.

 

[ThePhantom777]

Out: Cameron
In: McInnes
Sub: Macrae (unless there's a reason they want him playing 4 quarters at VFL)

McStay/AJ: ruck/forward rotation
McInnes: forward to cover McStay/AJ rotation

 

[Jen2310]

Reckon Ginni needs 1 more vfl game for match fitness, but last night was a good step forward in that.
Reef would be the one that would more likely come in for Cameron, he looked good last night.

 

[Football God]

Going by the review of last nights game seems like Steene's not ready, especially against Mcinerney he will outbody him with ease and will punch it far out of the contest so our midfielders can't get to the ball.

Atleast with Mcstay he creates a decent contest, bring the ball to ground and let our midfielders get to work.

Think in last years finals game against Melbourne he was one of their BOG as the predominant ruck with Big O out. Correct me if i'm wrong.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

Going by the review of last nights game seems like Steene's not ready, especially against Mcinerney he will outbody him with ease and will punch it far out of the contest so our midfielders can't get to the ball.

Atleast with Mcstay he creates a decent contest, bring the ball to ground and let our midfielders get to work.

Think in last years finals game against Melbourne he was one of their BOG as the predominant ruck with Big O out. Correct me if i'm wrong.

McStay seemed to excel being thrown into ruck at the last minute in that final & played so well. Says a lot about him imo. I can't imagine I'd be too thrilled being the third wheel to Hipwood & Daniher every week.

 

[The Ghost of the KPF]

It seems to come down to bring in Reef and use McStay heavily in ruck, or bring in Ruscoe and use Frampton.

On balance I prefer the former.

Id drop WHE for Allan but that wont happen.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

It seems to come down to bring in Reef and use McStay heavily in ruck, or bring in Ruscoe and use Frampton.

On balance I prefer the former.

Id drop WHE for Allan but that wont happen.

I think Frampton needs the consistency down back more, and I think Reef is more deserving of a senior selection than Ruscoe, so that’s two thumbs up for the former option from me.

Reef in for Cameron, and a McStay/AJ ruck combo.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Carmichael played a full VFL game yesterday and got 18 possessions, but on form, there would be a couple at least ahead of him in line for the sub job next week.

My point was why select him at all when he’d played zero minutes the week before.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

My point was why select him at all when he’d played zero minutes the week before.

I knew that and had said the same myself. I was just adding that with a VFL game under his belt this time, he still doesn't deserve to be sub next week,

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I knew that and had said the same myself. I was just adding that with a VFL game under his belt this time, he still doesn't deserve to be sub next week,

Yep. I’d prefer it was WHE ( if dropped out of the 22) or Ed Allan although prefer he played a bit more VFL. Or maybe If they want a taller option, Ruscoe or Wilson. Or Ginni

 

[sr36]

It seems to come down to bring in Reef and use McStay heavily in ruck, or bring in Ruscoe and use Frampton.

On balance I prefer the former.

Id drop WHE for Allan but that wont happen.

I'd go with Cameron out - Ruscoe or Ryan in, (Frampton in the ruck). WHE and Carmichael out of 23. Reef and Ginni in.

 

[Scritchyscroony]

Out: Cameron
In: McInnes
Sub: Macrae (unless there's a reason they want him playing 4 quarters at VFL)

McStay/AJ: ruck/forward rotation
McInnes: forward to cover McStay/AJ rotation

Yep.
This.

 

[Apex36]

Going by the review of last nights game seems like Steene's not ready, especially against Mcinerney he will outbody him with ease and will punch it far out of the contest so our midfielders can't get to the ball.

Atleast with Mcstay he creates a decent contest, bring the ball to ground and let our midfielders get to work.

Think in last years finals game against Melbourne he was one of their BOG as the predominant ruck with Big O out. Correct me if i'm wrong.

If we know he’s going to do that we can set up appropriately. Honestly, it’s easier for our mids to set up knowing that the oppo ruckman is going to win the tap. Bringing the ball to ground is what Grundy always did, and it frustrates the hell out of everyone here because we couldn’t win clearances doing that.
And does McStay really create much of a contest? Nankervis absolutely dominated him on Saturday night, got hitouts at will in the last quarter, yet we won the clearance count comfortably for the term. We were out scored though, and our forward structure being compromised by McStays absence had a lot to do with that imo.

 

[The Magnificent Seven]

If we know he’s going to do that we can set up appropriately. Honestly, it’s easier for our mids to set up knowing that the oppo ruckman is going to win the tap. Bringing the ball to ground is what Grundy always did, and it frustrates the hell out of everyone here because we couldn’t win clearances doing that.
And does McStay really create much of a contest? Nankervis absolutely dominated him on Saturday night, got hitouts at will in the last quarter, yet we won the clearance count comfortably for the term. We were out scored though, and our forward structure being compromised by McStays absence had a lot to do with that imo.

Except for that goal he kicked as a forward

He ended up being more mobile than Nankervis and he’s at the very least better suited to the role than most. Esp Pendles

 

[frizzle]

If we know he’s going to do that we can set up appropriately. Honestly, it’s easier for our mids to set up knowing that the oppo ruckman is going to win the tap. Bringing the ball to ground is what Grundy always did, and it frustrates the hell out of everyone here because we couldn’t win clearances doing that.
And does McStay really create much of a contest? Nankervis absolutely dominated him on Saturday night, got hitouts at will in the last quarter, yet we won the clearance count comfortably for the term. We were out scored though, and our forward structure being compromised by McStays absence had a lot to do with that imo.

I think you’re argument has merit. We are going to get smashed in the ruck anyway. Big O will probably consistently grab the ball in the ruck contest for Brisbane. The question is do we upset one part of the field being the ruck contests or add the forward line being out of kilter as well.
‘Steene is not ready to step up to AFL level. But will McStay compete around stoppages better than Steene or only similar?
Match committee have some thinking to do. Tough decision because I’m here arguing with myself & there is no clear winner.

 

[Big Bryza]

Could Kelly fill the ruck role for a couple of games though?

No.

People need to stop throwing up Kelly's name. He's not up to it, hence why they've been playing him on a wing.

 

[Apex36]

Except for that goal he kicked as a forward

He ended up being more mobile than Nankervis and he’s at the very least better suited to the role than most. Esp Pendles

Is it worth compromising our forward line for what will likely only be a very minor performance difference in probably one of the easiest positions to compensate for low performance?

 

[76woodenspooners]

Gee, our round 1 win against Geelong isn’t looking so impressive now …



The teams we’ve beaten are 8th, 13th and 18th.

Even Hawthorn have defeated better opponents than we have (North are 7th) *

* The meaningless twaddle of early season ladder positions.

 

[76woodenspooners]

No.

People need to stop throwing up Kelly's name. He's not up to it, hence why they've been playing him on a wing.

IIRC Wright spoke at length about our ruck stocks in his recent Herald Sun interview.

IIRC he said a team always needs at least five ruck options. And our rucks are:

Cameron
Cox
Begg
Stene
With McStay being able to go into the ruck if needed.

I guess with three of those now out injured, a fourth super raw, it comes down to McStay?

 

[The Royal Sampler]

IIRC Walsh spoke at length about our ruck stocks in his recent Herald Sun interview.

IIRC he said a team always needs at least five ruck options. And our rucks are:

Cameron
Cox
Begg
Stene
With McStay being able to go into the ruck if needed.

I guess with three of those now out injured, a fourth super raw, it comes down to McStay?

You could argue Kreuger as well, and so 4 out of 5 injured.