Game Day Collingwood v Brisbane, Gabba, 6 April, 7.45pm

[beerbandit]

Ruck is such a joke of a position. McStay proved he could ruck out a game in Brisbane's final series last year, have Johnson pinch hit and we'll be fine.

I wouldn’t say it’s a joke of a position, granted it requires to basically just create a contest, but having a good one who knows how to tap aka Nic Nat or Gawn makes a massive difference to the mids

 

[left at home]

I am in the camp that gives steene the job also, we know he is not ready, but l don’t want changes to our forwards and backs.
Let’s not change what is working
He only has to compete, and who knows he may do better than that

 

[beerbandit]

OUT - Cameron, Carmichael

IN - McInnes, Ginnivan

I’d go with McStay and Johnson again, I actually think Johnson would be decent at Centre bounces as he’s vertical leap is better then just about anyone in the comp, but may get manhandled around the stoppages, McStay to do the grunt work.

Carmichael looked like a fish out of water unfortunately so he goes too, bring in Reef to play FF and have Ginni as the sub to perhaps have some X-Factor once he comes on.

 

[ipswichpies]

I watched the match last night and it showed Steene is not ready but will compete, I do not think we can afford any passengers v the Lions so WHE is out, I think it is a month too soon for Oscar and we are going to get beat in the ruck anyway big O is very good in contests.

Bring in Steene,Reef and Allan as sub ,and out are DC Carm and WHE.

 

[stormskye]

i don’t think the overall benefit we get from having mcstay in the forward line outweighs the issues playing Steene we will have around the ground. Big O will have a field day against the kid.

Reef in for height, mcstay rucks with Johnson pinch hitting.

It’s not ideal, but for overall balance I think that’s best

 

[foreigner]

A poster in the VFL gameday thread applauded Ginni's brilliant snap goal in the 4th, so that should be 2 to the guinea pig I think. The official VFL stats only have him on 1 for some reason, but going by the VFL gameday thread (post #221) he had 2. Doesn't matter much I know, but I get nerdy about inconsistencies like that

Exactly, I was watching the livestream in the last quarter and the commentary team also said Ginni had 2, but the official stat's said 1

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[Apex36]

Re the subs… I’d retain whe and just switch Carmichael and Allan. Not ideal to debut a player off the sub bench but now the injury rule is removed…. Why not.

5 disposals playing high half forward wing is unacceptable. He’s had 2 shockers out of 3 games now while Allan has been performing to a high level. We can’t keep rewarding WHE with games when he’s literally been a standout for all the wrong reasons.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

5 disposals playing high half forward wing is unacceptable. He’s had 2 shockers out of 3 games now while Allan has been performing to a high level. We can’t keep rewarding WHE with games when he’s literally been a standout for all the wrong reasons.

Clock is definitely ticking for WHE with the arrival of Allan (and Ryan) not to mention return of Ginnivan so I can definitely see your point. If lipinski wasn’t injured he might be out already. Allan is smashing the door down but maybe one more week and a home town debut…. After all the vfl side has played just two games and I believe both against non aligned opponents.

Maybe I have more patience than most, but WHE is a low possession player at the best of times and conditions last week weren’t ideal. Maybe he is sub this week.

 

[ipswichpies]

I didn’t get to watch last nights game, but going by the numbers they had Allan playing wing/mid and pushing up forward just like WHE is meant to do. Given Ginni was largely disappointing and Allan had an excellent game:

Out: Cameron, WHE

In: Steene (yes he’s not ready, but he all he has to do is compete and allow our key forwards to be key forwards), Allan

I think Ginnivan is just short of matchplay, he will return soon as he is ready there is not much doubt of that.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

Concerning issue of course is how we combat in the ruck.
We will need to create a team ruck, just as we have a team defence.
I would like to see either Wilson or McInnes selected to be the additional tall forward.
McStay and Ash to share centre bounces. But also, maybe we often go with a "place holder" ruckman, who does little but offer a presence in the centre circle. When we do this, we have instructions for a midfielder to grab McIerney immediately if he takes possession, and a plan for the midfield set up in anticipation of McIerney winning the tap. Such a plan will need to be dynamic of course, and respond to what McInerney actually does.
Who could such a place holder be? Maybe even Beau McCreery, who would just pretend to contest the ruck, but could use his body. Perhaps indeed it doesn't matter who the placeholder is, since in reality we are conceding the ruck contest to Brisbane and preparing accordingly. The main thing is to have an immediate reflex response if McIerney simply grabs the ball out of the ruck.
Then, to make McIerney accountable around the ground ,we run a relay of McStay, Johnson, Checkers running around the field to contest marks.
I would definitely not:
a) Put Frampton in at the centre bounce or assign to him many ruck duties (maybe contest a few in D50, but mostly as the "place holder ruck" as he needs to continue to focus on developing his role in defence.)
b) Select Oscar Steene. Clearly he is not ready yet.
My changes: Out Darcy Cameron , In: Wilson or McInnes Sub: Carmichael becausee of his versatility. (McCrae knocking on the door to be sub as well).

Agree..I wouldn't be messing with our defence. Frampton needs to consolidate his spot down there. He's just starting to feel confident after his first 2 games. McStay & AJ are more than capable of taking ruck duties. McStay proved that last year during the Lions finals series. Our midfielders are more than capable of adapting & we have multiple players who can score goals. The coaches know the situation they are in & will train accordingly.

 

[Apex36]

Clock is definitely ticking for WHE with the arrival of Allan (and Ryan) not to mention return of Ginnivan so I can definitely see your point. If lipinski wasn’t injured he might be out already. Allan is smashing the door down but maybe one more week and a home town debut…. After all the vfl side has played just two games and I believe both against non aligned opponents.

Maybe I have more patience than most, but WHE is a low possession player at the best of times and conditions last week weren’t ideal. Maybe he is sub this week.

If Lipinski wasn’t injured he wouldn’t have been selected in the senior team in the first place.
Non-aligned opponents or not, you can only play what’s in front of you, and often those teams are the toughest in the league, particularly Port Melbourne.
What was Wills excuse against Geelong where conditions were ideal and he butchered everything he got? He was already border line 22 and now he’s had 2 shockers and 1 just ok game. We have a first round draftee banging the door down playing his role. Time to reward the kid.

Oh, and his home town is Perth, not Adelaide, so the home town debut thing is irrelevant too.

 

[Apex36]

I think Ginnivan is just short of matchplay, he will return soon as he is ready there is not much doubt of that.

I agree, but off the back of last nights game there are others who deserve a senior berth more.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

If Lipinski wasn’t injured he wouldn’t have been selected in the senior team in the first place..

Thanks for repeating what I just said.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Non-aligned opponents or not, you can only play what’s in front of you, and often those teams are the toughest in the league, particularly Port Melbourne.
What was Wills excuse against Geelong where conditions were ideal and he butchered everything he got? He was already border line 22 and now he’s had 2 shockers and 1 just ok game. We have a first round draftee banging the door down playing his role. Time to reward the kid.

Oh, and his home town is Perth, not Adelaide, so the home town debut thing is irrelevant too.

Fair enough.

I’d like Allan to have a game or two more against AFL listed opposition.

 

[Apex36]

Thanks for repeating what I just said.

That’s not what you said.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

That’s not what you said.

Oh ……semantics again, you’re very predictable.

I said might instead of will. So shoot me.

 

[The Magnificent Seven]

I reckon McStay held his own against Nankervis. He didn't get many taps but was a good presence and definitely reduced the Tigers advantage.

Two things - McStay would have rucked against both Big O and Fort at some stage in their intraclub. He gives away 9cm to them both but otherwise physically matches up.

I don't see why we can't roll the dice a little bringing Reef in for a full game, leaving Carmie as the sub. It leaves us with options if we get an injury. We can then rotate Reef through forward line while McStay (and Ash) ruck in the centre.

And then just let them take the ruck contest around the ground, knowing we have the numbers at the contest to either win the ball back through tackling pressure or intercepts.

Thursday night footy up at the Gabba is going to be a slippery affair anyway, so perhaps Friday night was a good build-up for us adapting to more chaos-style gameplay. I'd be tempted to run Naicos with Ashcroft, because they both seem to accumulate and it would test Nick's defensive experience.

I feel like this will be a game we drop but at the very least I'd love for no more injuries and a tight-fought low scoreline.

 

[Apex36]

Oh ……semantics again, you’re very predictable.

I said might instead of will. So shoot me.

No need to get upset. Accept you were wrong and move on with your life.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I reckon McStay held his own against Nankervis. He didn't get many taps but was a good presence and definitely reduced the Tigers advantage.

Two things - McStay would have rucked against both Big O and Fort at some stage in their intraclub. He gives away 9cm to them both but otherwise physically matches up.

I don't see why we can't roll the dice a little bringing Reef in for a full game, leaving Carmie as the sub. It leaves us with options if we get an injury. We can then rotate Reef through forward line while McStay (and Ash) ruck in the centre.

And then just let them take the ruck contest around the ground, knowing we have the numbers at the contest to either win the ball back through tackling pressure or intercepts.

Thursday night footy up at the Gabba is going to be a slippery affair anyway, so perhaps Friday night was a good build-up for us adapting to more chaos-style gameplay. I'd be tempted to run Naicos with Ashcroft, because they both seem to accumulate and it would test Nick's defensive experience.

I feel like this will be a game we drop but at the very least I'd love for no more injuries and a tight-fought low scoreline.

I don’t think bringing Reef in is rolling the dice. In fact it’s our least risky option, as it retains our structure as much as practicable.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

No need to get upset. Accept you were wrong and move on with your life.

Yes, if you have perfect 20/20 hindsight that’s what would have definitely happened…..got any evidence

 

[The Magnificent Seven]

I don’t think bringing Reef in is rolling the dice. In fact it’s our least risky option, as it retains our structure as much as practicable.

I meant rolling the dice by not using a Ruck in general play - I didn't write that as well as I could have.

 

[nahnah]

I wasn’t impressed with Carmichael on Friday and his vfl stats don’t look fantastic, I’d keep him in vfl this week

No need to rush Allan

Reef in for me

 

[Jen2310]

It'll probably be reef, he played well. Competed strongly and kicked a couple goals.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

It'll probably be reef, he played well. Competed strongly and kicked a couple goals.

Unclear why he was dropped for Carmichael in the first place to be frank.

 

[Apex36]

Unclear why he was dropped for Carmichael in the first place to be frank.

Except the obvious reason that they wanted to get a full game in to him after 2 weeks of minimal game time.