Game Day Collingwood v Brisbane, Gabba, 6 April, 7.45pm

[eyeroller]

A poster in the VFL gameday thread applauded Ginni's brilliant snap goal in the 4th, so that should be 2 to the guinea pig I think. The official VFL stats only have him on 1 for some reason, but going by the VFL gameday thread he had 2. Doesn't matter much I know, but I get nerdy about inconsistencies like that

I think they've accidentally credited Murley for his second goal. Both wearing long sleeves and they flashed Murley's name card on screen after it. It was definitely Ginni though

 

[stormskye]

A poster in the VFL gameday thread applauded Ginni's brilliant snap goal in the 4th, so that should be 2 to the guinea pig I think. The official VFL stats only have him on 1 for some reason, but going by the VFL gameday thread he had 2. Doesn't matter much I know, but I get nerdy about inconsistencies like that

A poster in the VFL gameday thread applauded Ginni's brilliant snap goal in the 4th, so that should be 2 to the guinea pig I think. The official VFL stats only have him on 1 for some reason, but going by the VFL gameday thread he had 2. Doesn't matter much I know, but I get nerdy about inconsistencies like that

Ginni kicked 2, but doesn’t deserve a recall

 

[Capital Magpie]

I think they've accidentally credited Murley for his second goal. Both wearing long sleeves and they flashed Murley's name card on screen after it. It was definitely Ginni though

Thanks, that would explain it. We need to write to the VFL powers that be and correct it! And don't call me obsessive

 

[jaffa23]

A few folks here thinking what I'm thinking,,,, Don't make unnecessary changes just for the sake of it:

FB: Bruz Moore IQ

HB: Naicos Murphy Pendles

C: Jaicos De God Sidebum

HF: Billy E Mc Stay,,, McTackle

FF: Bobbie Checkers Ash


R: Show Me The Way Potato Crisp, Mitch

IC: Taz Ads, Beaker Noble, Beef McInnes, Hyphen

Sub: Carm the Pies

Ins: Beef McInnes

Outs: Sore Knee

 

[Jonno94]

Pump games into Ed Allan, he can be a big contributor this season.

 

[live fast pieyoung]

Theres a 23 day gap between round two when cox got injured and our round five Sunday game vs StKilda. I hold out hope he can be back for that ( assuming this week is too soon), meaning we only have one game this week where we need to organise a makeshift ruck combination. Surely he can wear a brace or something to protect him from further contact injuries to the ribs.

STK are pretty short on talls, we can probably get away with what we have for that match, but will likely need him back for essendon

 

[Gabbo64]

I reckon bring in Steene and leave the rest alone. Why **** with the structure. Watched him last week against Coburg and he looked OK.

 

[live fast pieyoung]

Id be very surprised if our ruck isnt mcstay and AJ, and our 3 tall fwds are mihocek, reef, and the resting ruckman

 

[magpies42]

After watching VFL

In: Ryan, McInnes, Wilson
Out: Cameron, Hoskin-Elliott, Carmichael

Frampton to play Ruck, assisted by McStay/Johnson
Murphy to play key defender, Ryan to play 3rd tall
Wilson to take WHE place
McInnes as a sub

You’ve got two of the tallest forwards in the comp, and very capable in the one forward line. You need to have two proper talls. Agree Frampton should ruck, but I think Kelly comes in.

I don’t get the WHE hating, he’s not getting dropped. He plays a role that no many can play. Plugs holes and runs end to end. His experience is invaluable.

 

[IlovethePies]

Concerning issue of course is how we combat in the ruck.
We will need to create a team ruck, just as we have a team defence.
I would like to see either Wilson or McInnes selected to be the additional tall forward.
McStay and Ash to share centre bounces. But also, maybe we often go with a "place holder" ruckman, who does little but offer a presence in the centre circle. When we do this, we have instructions for a midfielder to grab McIerney immediately if he takes possession, and a plan for the midfield set up in anticipation of McIerney winning the tap. Such a plan will need to be dynamic of course, and respond to what McInerney actually does.
Who could such a place holder be? Maybe even Beau McCreery, who would just pretend to contest the ruck, but could use his body. Perhaps indeed it doesn't matter who the placeholder is, since in reality we are conceding the ruck contest to Brisbane and preparing accordingly. The main thing is to have an immediate reflex response if McIerney simply grabs the ball out of the ruck.
Then, to make McIerney accountable around the ground ,we run a relay of McStay, Johnson, Checkers running around the field to contest marks.
I would definitely not:
a) Put Frampton in at the centre bounce or assign to him many ruck duties (maybe contest a few in D50, but mostly as the "place holder ruck" as he needs to continue to focus on developing his role in defence.)
b) Select Oscar Steene. Clearly he is not ready yet.
My changes: Out Darcy Cameron

14

Darcy Cameron

Age

29

Ht

204cm

Wt

103kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

6.0

1star

K

3.3

1star

HB

2.7

2star

CL

0.3

2star

HO

5.3

5star

D

7.5

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

3.0

2star

CL

0.5

3star

HO

3.5

5star

D

6.0

2star

K

3.3

2star

HB

2.7

3star

CL

0.3

2star

HO

5.3

5star

, In: Wilson or McInnes Sub: Carmichael becausee of his versatility. (McCrae knocking on the door to be sub as well).

 

[magpies42]

Concerning issue of course is how we combat in the ruck.
We will need to create a team ruck, just as we have a team defence.
I would like to see either Wilson or McInnes selected to be the additional tall forward.
McStay and Ash to share centre bounces. But also, maybe we often go with a "place holder" ruckman, who does little but offer a presence in the centre circle. When we do this, we have instructions for a midfielder to grab McIerney immediately if he takes possession, and a plan for the midfield set up in anticipation of McIerney winning the tap. Such a plan will need to be dynamic of course, and respond to what McInerney actually does.
Who could such a place holder be? Maybe even Beau McCreery, who would just pretend to contest the ruck, but could use his body. Perhaps indeed it doesn't matter who the placeholder is, since in reality we are conceding the ruck contest to Brisbane and preparing accordingly. The main thing is to have an immediate reflex response if McIerney simply grabs the ball out of the ruck.
Then, to make McIerney accountable around the ground ,we run a relay of McStay, Johnson, Checkers running around the field to contest marks.
I would definitely not:
a) Put Frampton in at the centre bounce or assign to him many ruck duties (maybe contest a few in D50, but mostly as the "place holder ruck" as he needs to continue to focus on developing his role in defence.)
b) Select Oscar Steene. Clearly he is not ready yet.
My changes: Out Darcy Cameron , In: Wilson or McInnes Sub: Carmichael becausee of his versatility. (McCrae knocking on the door to be sub as well).

I think your ruck solution is probably most likely, I’d just prefer us to be more creative and keep McStay forward for structure…our forward line hasn’t functioned this well since 2011.

Also given we’ll need to maintain this for four weeks at least, we should look to see if we can find another viable alternative to hold down a key post (Kelly) and another viable ruck option that isn’t McStay (Frampton, Wilson). Wilson is interesting to me in that he would spread really well and impact aerially and on the ground…it’s just a matter of whether he can impact in a ruck dual scenario.

 

[Prexm]

Concerning issue of course is how we combat in the ruck.
We will need to create a team ruck, just as we have a team defence.
I would like to see either Wilson or McInnes selected to be the additional tall forward.
McStay and Ash to share centre bounces. But also, maybe we often go with a "place holder" ruckman, who does little but offer a presence in the centre circle. When we do this, we have instructions for a midfielder to grab McIerney immediately if he takes possession, and a plan for the midfield set up in anticipation of McIerney winning the tap. Such a plan will need to be dynamic of course, and respond to what McInerney actually does.
Who could such a place holder be? Maybe even Beau McCreery, who would just pretend to contest the ruck, but could use his body. Perhaps indeed it doesn't matter who the placeholder is, since in reality we are conceding the ruck contest to Brisbane and preparing accordingly. The main thing is to have an immediate reflex response if McIerney simply grabs the ball out of the ruck.
Then, to make McIerney accountable around the ground ,we run a relay of McStay, Johnson, Checkers running around the field to contest marks.
I would definitely not:
a) Put Frampton in at the centre bounce or assign to him many ruck duties (maybe contest a few in D50, but mostly as the "place holder ruck" as he needs to continue to focus on developing his role in defence.)
b) Select Oscar Steene. Clearly he is not ready yet.
My changes: Out Darcy Cameron , In: Wilson or McInnes Sub: Carmichael becausee of his versatility. (McCrae knocking on the door to be sub as well).

I like the definitely nots. The only change I would make to this is bring in both Reef and Wilson and have one of them as sub just in case we lose another tall during the game and due to the extra workload a few other talls will have.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Concerning issue of course is how we combat in the ruck.
We will need to create a team ruck, just as we have a team defence.
I would like to see either Wilson or McInnes selected to be the additional tall forward.
McStay and Ash to share centre bounces. But also, maybe we often go with a "place holder" ruckman, who does little but offer a presence in the centre circle. When we do this, we have instructions for a midfielder to grab McIerney immediately if he takes possession, and a plan for the midfield set up in anticipation of McIerney winning the tap. Such a plan will need to be dynamic of course, and respond to what McInerney actually does.
Who could such a place holder be? Maybe even Beau McCreery, who would just pretend to contest the ruck, but could use his body. Perhaps indeed it doesn't matter who the placeholder is, since in reality we are conceding the ruck contest to Brisbane and preparing accordingly. The main thing is to have an immediate reflex response if McIerney simply grabs the ball out of the ruck.
Then, to make McIerney accountable around the ground ,we run a relay of McStay, Johnson, Checkers running around the field to contest marks.
I would definitely not:
a) Put Frampton in at the centre bounce or assign to him many ruck duties (maybe contest a few in D50, but mostly as the "place holder ruck" as he needs to continue to focus on developing his role in defence.)
b) Select Oscar Steene. Clearly he is not ready yet.
My changes: Out Darcy Cameron , In: Wilson or McInnes Sub: Carmichael becausee of his versatility. (McCrae knocking on the door to be sub as well).

I don’t think we will go in with a non ruckman to play the sacrificial lamb role . Fly will want Collingwood to play its own game style as much as possible, not change it due to lack of personnel.

It’s a very rarely used strategy ( except for in game, where situations can’t be avoided if you get injuries). I reckon Maxwell rucked a few times as did wills, but that’s about all I can recall.

I think they will do one of

Stick with mcstay and Johnson and bring in a forward. ( McInnes, Wilson)
Go with mcstay and frampton and bring in a defender

 

[LuckyLee]

By all reports from the VFL watchers, Steene’s just not ready.

I expect minimal unforced changes at the selection table. We need stability. WHE will survive.

OUT - Cameron, Carmichael (sub)
IN - McInnes/Wilson, Allan (sub)

Frampton to ruck, with help from McStay. Crisp moves back into defence.

McInnes/Wilson up forward when McStay in ruck.

Ed Allan - I think we’re due for a debutant and he is showing all the right traits. We need something to get the players and supporters excited about in the midst of our injury mini-crisis.




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[Plecnik]

Moore to fulfil his destiny and move to the ruck, do so well that he stays there all year and then wins the Brownlow(and becomes a premiership captain)

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

No0 way would i ever risk Darcy

Dermie played with broken ribs with an inflatable vest under his jumper and kicked a bag.

Men were men back then.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Except it's not bleeding it's a hematoma
pool of mostly clotted blood that forms in an organ, tissue, or body space. A hematoma is usually caused by a broken blood vessel that was damaged by surgery or an injury.

A haematoma had to be bleeding before it became a haematoma. It may even still be bleeding slowly. The question is what is doing the bleeding, is it indicative of significant damage to a vital organ, or rupture of smaller vessels (say for instance supplying muscle which has undergone trauma)?

The haematoma itself is not really the issue; the body will generally reabsorb the blood over time, and if not it can be surgically evacuated as happened with Howe’s thigh. The issue is the underlying tissue damage and what impact that has.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

By all reports from the VFL watchers, Steene’s just not ready.

I expect minimal unforced changes at the selection table. We need stability. WHE will survive.

OUT - Cameron, Carmichael (sub)
IN - McInnes/Wilson, Allan (sub)

Frampton to ruck, with help from McStay. Crisp moves back into defence.

McInnes/Wilson up forward when McStay in ruck.

Ed Allan - I think we’re due for a debutant and he is showing all the right traits. We need something to get the players and supporters excited about in the midst of our injury mini-crisis.




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I wouldn't bring in Wilson. He was unsighted in the first half then kicked some goals in the second. If any other than McInness (who was nothing special last night) is to be named, Allan is the deserving one.

 

[Apex36]

No what you have is one non-AFL standard player against another non-AFL standard player. Rather that than a non-AFL size #1 ruck. Win the midfield and will not matter who plays on Hipwood.

No, you have one non AFL standard player playing on an out of form key forward who’s likely to kick a bag if you don’t pay him at least a little bit of respect. Get your blinkers off.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I just cant see us pinch hitting the ruck for 4-8 weeks without a proper ruckman and sacrificing our back & forward structure, Steene plays.

It’s not going to be 8 weeks. Probably won’t be 4, given cox has already missed one week.. likely he will only miss one or two more games from here unless he has a setback.

I think Steene will come into consideration, but ideally plays at least another few vfl games to continue building confidence form and technique.

Edit…. Of course the flip side to that argument is why not give Steene a run if we know it’s a cameo appearance for 2-3 games until cox returns . Might be good exposure before returning to the 2nds……

 

[Apex36]

I didn’t get to watch last nights game, but going by the numbers they had Allan playing wing/mid and pushing up forward just like WHE is meant to do. Given Ginni was largely disappointing and Allan had an excellent game:

Out: Cameron, WHE

In: Steene (yes he’s not ready, but he all he has to do is compete and allow our key forwards to be key forwards), Allan

 

[MoreMoore]

Out Cameron, In McInnes

Johnson to take centre bounces as he offers something different that will freak them out
McStay can pin an arm and wrestle but that is all
WHE to run with their rucks around the ground and use his leap and Gadget arms
Reef forward to allow Johnson and McStay to contest ruck and Checkers to provide marking options

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Re the subs… I’d retain whe and just switch Carmichael and Allan. Not ideal to debut a player off the sub bench but now the injury rule is removed…. Why not.

 

[JLC]

Out Cameron, In McInnes

Johnson to take centre bounces as he offers something different that will freak them out
McStay can pin an arm and wrestle but that is all
WHE to run with their rucks around the ground and use his leap and Gadget arms
Reef forward to allow Johnson and McStay to contest ruck and Checkers to provide marking options

Thats the interesting part - who then matches up on Johnson? I would back Johnson to do more damage.

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[neilk]

The question is whether Steene will off us more value than just using AJ and McStay, for example, as part time rucks and trying to shark their taps. That would mean we can pick an extra tall mid, perhaps.