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Spange said:
When I read Dillons quote from the article ““We are going to make sure that football is the number one sport of choice for everyone all across Australia.” , my mind jumps to junior footy for boys and girls and building a talent pool big enough to support all the clubs.

As a parent I’m not pushing footy on my kids. They’re choosing to play basketball and the sport seems to be booming in WA

AFL need a strong talent pool to support the growth of the sport across Australia. They need a sport that is safe now and longer term for players. It appears the afl are going too early on their expansion from my point of view. however I’m sure they’ve modelled the numbers required to sustain success
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I can't remember if it was here or on the Lions board, but someone posted about the levels of talent distribution across the country. The point of their post was there are currently ~750 players in the league, but the difference in talent between 500th and 2000th (i.e the bottom 14 players on a list) most talented player in the country is negligible.

Adding a 19th team will stretch the genuinely talented players further. It should in theory thin out the depth of the top teams, where good teams shouldn't have 4 to 6 players in their reserves that might be best 22 players in poorer teams, because those players will have teams throwing more money at them. It will mean most teams "depth" will be young inexperienced kids with potential, or genuine VFL/WAFL/SANFL quality mature aged individuals.

The AFL have done literally nothing to improve the talent pool across the country. The biggest problem/stumbling block there are the State bodies and leagues, because they are genuine State based competitions, where teams are trying to win, and are not a feeder system and extension of the AFL.

Ideally the AFL should have been pumping hundreds of thousands of dollars a year in to junior development and pathways in Tasmania, 7 years before their new team come in to the competition.

Instead they've been stripping money out of the Vic boys talent league, to help fund the Vic girls talent league.

Financially they money isn't there for the league to fund an increase in the AFL soft cap, because the poorer teams wouldn't be able to compete with the richer teams off field. So what hope is there of the AFL finding extra funding to help the development of junior pathways around the country. As we've seen in the Northern States, academy funding is left up to the clubs, and technically not supported by the AFL directly.

So get the top end kids while you can from the draft, before Tassie comes in, because they're going to be spread even thinner once Tassie is here.
 
briztoon said:
Financially the money isn't there for the league to fund an increase in the AFL soft cap, because the poorer teams wouldn't be able to compete with the richer teams off field.
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Simple answer to that.

Get rid of those poorer suburban clubs from Melbourne that had no right to be part of a national competition in the first place.
 

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Chump Change said:
Hopefully this new guy has some spine.

19 teams is not workable. Where is the 20th team from? Or more to the point, which team gets booted?

Once North get booted out of Tas, they're probably ucked like St Kilda.

Dillon: Listen campaigners (St Kilda and North), we offered you both to relocate and you didn't want to. You're both broke and we can't afford a 20th team so one of you campaigners has to fold. Actually, one of you campaigners are going to fold, the other is being relocated to Canberra. May the best team win.
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Hahaha not a chance...


He's the choice because he is one of them.

Heaven forbid you appoint someone external who might want consider heretical things like:
  • even home/away fixturing
  • ending the 2057 MCG Grand Final agreement
  • professionalisation of umpiring
  • lowering the minimum cap payable so expansion clubs don't end up becoming "apprentice houses" to larger rivals
  • factoring in travel and associated fatigue management when it comes to the fixture
  • questioning the current relationship with betting agencies, or indeed the revenue the majority of clubs are getting through ownership of gaming venues
  • increasing player payments to a percentage figure of revenue comparable with other codes
  • raising the unmentionable: why the f**k does a "national" competition have half of it's teams in one city?... Especially when half of those highlighted clubs are incapable of existing without massive handouts and subsidies provided each year?
And that's not even touching states and grassroots funding or providing assurance for the future of AFLW...


The "global search" found a guy that worked in the office next door. A lawyer who has worked in the AFL HQ machine for 23 years. Someone who has been personally involved with all of the ham-fisted decisions that have brought things to where they are now.

Nothing will change. The pigs will still get their gravy when the train arrives.
 
As for "T20" (to further unnecessarily expand the competition, water the talent pool down further, but retain an even number for fixturing), I am expecting some frankly, batshit crazy idea like a team to represent the "Top End", playing home games between Darwin, Alice Springs, Cairns and Townsville each year...

Something that can look great in 15 seconds of promotional advertising pitch but has zero practical foundation or viability at all.
 
In my opinion the health of the league/ quality of footy has being in decline since they added gws and GCS. Think of all the talent that went to waste with beefing up there lists would of been much better served with 16 teams not 18
 
Spange said:
When I read Dillons quote from the article ““We are going to make sure that football is the number one sport of choice for everyone all across Australia.” , my mind jumps to junior footy for boys and girls and building a talent pool big enough to support all the clubs.

As a parent I’m not pushing footy on my kids. They’re choosing to play basketball and the sport seems to be booming in WA

AFL need a strong talent pool to support the growth of the sport across Australia. They need a sport that is safe now and longer term for players. It appears the afl are going too early on their expansion from my point of view. however I’m sure they’ve modelled the numbers required to sustain success
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They need to fix Auskick first if they want that talent pool. Every parent I know has had a shit experience with it - costs a lot to end up with the parents doing all of the work. The basketball equivalent (Aussie Hoops) is way better run on what would be a fraction of the budget.
 
Monsterdarlz said:
In my opinion the health of the league/ quality of footy has being in decline since they added gws and GCS. Think of all the talent that went to waste with beefing up there lists would of been much better served with 16 teams not 18
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They AFL has to make inroads into non-AFL markets.

Nothing else needs to be considered.
 
Boohemian said:
Hard conversations need to be had with the Victorian teams. Ten Victorian sides in a national competition has always been ridiculous.
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The problem is no one wants to be the the arseh*le who cuts a team.

And then that campaigner Eddie McF**khead uses any attempt at a conversation to virtue signal that he is "looking out for the small guy" to curry favour with these weak clubs on unrelated issues.

They just need to say, "Listen, if you're running at a loss year after year, we're going to shut you down". You can relocate if you want, but this makes no difference. If you can't survive financially over multiple decades.....

When Tas come in, North will lose a huge revenue stream.

www.afl.com.au

Saints' debt levels queried by rivals, Gill backs AFL funding model

Club presidents have questioned Gill McLachlan and Richard Goyder over St Kilda's financial assistance
www.afl.com.au www.afl.com.au

Propping up clubs like St Kilda is simply not sustainable. I'd rather use that money on GWS and GC who will both take 30-50 years to achieve stability.
 
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Chump Change said:
The problem is no one wants to be the the arseh*le who cuts a team.

And then that campaigner Eddie McF**khead uses any attempt at a conversation to virtue signal that he is "looking out for the small guy" to curry favour with these weak clubs on unrelated issues.

They just need to say, "Listen, if you're running at a loss year after year, we're going to shut you down". You can relocate if you want, but this makes no difference. If you can't survive financially over multiple decades.....

When Tas come in, North will lose a huge revenue stream.
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I understand hawks do well in Tasso but north have a dog of a deal. The AFL would not think of underhand compo?🥺


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ziad said:
I understand hawks do well in Tasso but north have a dog of a deal. The AFL would not think of underhand compo?🥺


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What deal have North got? I was lead to believe (without actually knowing) the Tas money was keeping them from their natural level of financial woes?
 

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ziad said:
It’s market share on TV they could not give a stuff about footy


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Market share is footy.

Running second fiddle to a rival football code is not healthy for footy. It will take near 50 years to establish GWS and GC properly. But you have to start somewhere.

Imagine if the AFL never went into Sydney in 1982. In the early 90s, Swans were a busted arse. Broke, bottom of the ladder, and you couldn't pay a kid to go to a game. People back then were moaning that they should never have been allowed in.

I don't know about you, but I take pride in the game I love being the big dog in Australian sport. We have to break into the NSW and Qld markets. We have to pay the price now to make sure we're still the big dog in 50 years.
 
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Chump Change said:
Market share is footy.

Running second fiddle to a rival football code is not healthy for footy. It will take near 50 years to establish GWS and GC properly. But you have to start somewhere.

Imagine if the AFL never went into Sydney in 1982. In the early 90s, Swans were a busted arse. Broke, bottom of the ladder, and you couldn't pay a kid to go to a game. People back then were moaning that they should never have been allowed in.

I don't know about you, but I take pride in the game I love being the big dog in Australian sport. We have to break into the NSW and Qld markets. We have to pay the price now to make sure we're still the big dog in 50 years.
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And Australia doing ok in the soccer World Cup is a massive known threat the afl is addressing. The biggest economy is sydney followed by Melbourne. Next is western sydney, then sw qld. The afl isn’t a dumb business.


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Godfather32 said:
Agree, how many kids have gone home to Victoria in the last 10 years and just one goes the other way and the Vics think the world is ending
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Not only that he left a complete rabble of a club that managed to win the spoon in a year when we were pulling random guys out of the WAFL on a Thursday to play on the weekend.

No amount of Clarkson is going to change their profile. If he had been selected by a Collingwood, Richmond, Carlton etc., he'd still be in Victoria.
 
Bender_ said:
It's hilarious - I'm willing to bet 75% of the people booing him don't know why they are and are just going along with it.
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Definitely. It’s like Mexican wave. Does anyone know the true meaning behind it? I’m willing to bet they don’t
 
Bender_ said:
It's hilarious - I'm willing to bet 75% of the people booing him don't know why they are and are just going along with it.
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As soon as the media made it a thing it was always going to continue. There’s really no point to it but once some people realised it was getting a reaction they jumped on

The same thing happened with Goodes. Initially it wasn’t anything racial but the media highlighted it and it morphed into something quite ugly

Players are going to get boo’d at the footy. Sometimes there’ll be an obvious reason for it, other times less so and if commentators just let it slide without drawing attention to it then it’ll pass without notice by most people
 
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