List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion 2023

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swoop42 said:
De Goey, Lipinski, Josh, Nick and hopefully Allan.

Those 5 players will or project as being part of our midfield group come round 1 2026.

That leaves us needing to replace all or some of Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Mitchell, Adams and Crisp between now and then.

That's a lot of talent to be found because we're talking about some all time Collingwood greats and a former Brownlow medalist.

I hope our succession planning is already underway because genuine quality will be required in their stead.
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This is it, we have another season or so before the top end senior talent starts to retire. We need all the young talent and picks we can get to fill the void. There are no positions that couldn’t do with some additional young talent.

Priority wise given we are contending. We need a tall forward, not a McStay tall but a King tall…a contested marking machine…someone defenses worry about, like a more regular marking version of Cox.

Limited sample size, but McStays intervention has had a minimal impact on performance. We need a point of difference.

Following that the next priority would be gun midfielders and talls, 24 and under. Any position and any type.
 
Apex36 said:
Not sure another small forward should be a priority at the moment. We’re struggling to fit all of ours in the 22 at the moment as it is, particularly now Harrison is showing good signs.
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Jarrod Cameron is a legit talent who would work really well in our system, IMO. We all obviously have no idea on future planning, but the discussion on the future midfield may involve a role change for McReery. If he’s playing further afield a guy like Cameron would fit in very well alongside Hill, Elliott and HH.
 
Biggest issue I see is outside of FA we won’t have much currency to trade or draft elite players with over the next two years. Then tassie team and their draft concessions are coming not long after

We’ve got some work to do on that front and need some luck.

Our likely lack of decent picks does peak my interest in parish a little more. The issue being essendons improvement and his likely $ cost. If ess are in the improve, he’s unlikely to take a pay cut for success
 
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OniAu said:
HH for sure

Mackay under our system would be ok
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HH for $800K no, as a forward no. As a ~$600K defender yes.

Ben McKay no. Too injury prone and therefore too expensive.
2017 = 1 game
2018 = 0
2019 = 3
2020 = 11
2021 = 22
2022 = 15
2023 = 9 of 13
He needs to average 20+ games a year to earn $600K+

Ben McKay has played 61 games since 2017.
HH has played 135 games in the same timeframe.
 
If the club considers that we need another key back, then i think Himmelberg should be the main target.

We have Moore and Frampton who are capable of playing on the 195cm+ forwards already. Himmelberg is listed at 195cm, but from reports and what I've seen of him, can play the intercept/quarterback role just as easily. His pairing with Moore would make sense as it would give us some flexibility, having both capable of playing that role.

The added benefit of Himmelberg is his ability to play forward if necessary. Taking Monday's game as an example, we could've released Himmelberg or Frampton forward to combat the aerial dominance of May and Lever, who either intercepted or killed entries around the top of our 50. Himmelberg would';ve provided a more effective target late than WHE.

McKay has been patchy all season. That may be a symptom of playing in a poor team; I don't think that he offers the same flexibility though, nor the attacking threat from the back half.
 
Couch Coach said:
HH for $800K no, as a forward no. As a ~$600K defender yes.

Ben McKay no. Too injury prone and therefore too expensive.
2017 = 1 game
2018 = 0
2019 = 3
2020 = 11
2021 = 22
2022 = 15
2023 = 9 of 13
He needs to average 20+ games a year to earn $600K+

Ben McKay has played 61 games since 2017.
HH has played 135 games in the same timeframe.
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When you put it like that. History shows McKay not worth the gamble for sure based on that. As you've said, money the biggest factor in both!

Surely the clubs learned their lesson with taking overs.

Look at the Frampton, Mitchell and Hill pick-ups , wouldve thought theyve all been decent deals and theyve shown on the field they were the right ones also!
 
I'd love to add HH, McKay, Parish etc but i fear we won't be competitive on the salary front for any of them. I mean, we have set out our stall with JDG and Moore our top earners on around 800k-850k or so.

We simply can't offer that same number to any of those three who are all inferior players at this stage. It would create way too much disharmony in the playing ranks when you look at players like Crisp, Mihocek, J Daicos etc.

The Cats busted the cap to sign Jeremy Cameron but.... but he's Jeremy Cameron, arguably the best player in the game. We just could not do it for a B+ in HH, potential B+ in McKay, and maybe almost A-grader in Parish. The player who comes as a free agent to us would have to be prepared to take less than what they get from a St Kilda or North Melbourne etc.

That is my opinion anyway
 
Couch Coach said:
HH for $800K no, as a forward no. As a ~$600K defender yes.

Ben McKay no. Too injury prone and therefore too expensive.
2017 = 1 game
2018 = 0
2019 = 3
2020 = 11
2021 = 22
2022 = 15
2023 = 9 of 13
He needs to average 20+ games a year to earn $600K+

Ben McKay has played 61 games since 2017.
HH has played 135 games in the same timeframe.
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Yep.
Couldn't've summed it up better.
 
cakewalk06 said:
I'd love to add HH, McKay, Parish etc but i fear we won't be competitive on the salary front for any of them. I mean, we have set out our stall with JDG and Moore our top earners on around 800k-850k or so.

We simply can't offer that same number to any of those three who are all inferior players at this stage. It would create way too much disharmony in the playing ranks when you look at players like Crisp, Mihocek, J Daicos etc.

The Cats busted the cap to sign Jeremy Cameron but.... but he's Jeremy Cameron, arguably the best player in the game. We just could not do it for a B+ in HH, potential B+ in McKay, and maybe almost A-grader in Parish. The player who comes as a free agent to us would have to be prepared to take less than what they get from a St Kilda or North Melbourne etc.

That is my opinion anyway
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That's a fair assessment, although I'd add that a B+ player in one team is potentially an A+ in another, or a C etc.

The only caveat to the above, as it is with every discussion around the salary cap, is what and when players are being paid the majority of their salary etc.

I can't recall who it was, but recently someone involved in list management at an AFL club said that the salary cap is rarely linear or uniform and that people would be surprised by the flexibility or capacity within the cap.
 

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SchuPie said:
SchuPie's reading bw the lines but seems our focus might be on bringing in a 23-28 year-old mid as short-term succession for Sidey/Pendles
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Dylan Stephens from the Swans?
 
SchuPie said:
SchuPie's reading bw the lines but seems our focus might be on bringing in a 23-28 year-old mid as short-term succession for Sidey/Pendles
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Def have a younger vibe to what he was saying without saying anything
He also said 1-2 players max. No more. Not like last year
 
SchuPie said:
SchuPie's reading bw the lines but seems our focus might be on bringing in a 23-28 year-old mid as short-term succession for Sidey/Pendles
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Dylan Stephens (as Dave said) we tried last OOC period 22yo former Pick #5
Lachie Ash 21yo former Pick #4 (Rumours of GWS cap issues if HH stays)
Brayden Fiorini 25yo former Pick #20 (We were linked last year)
Darcy Parish 25yo former Pick #5 (Geelong and other clubs interested. There have been rumours of us for a while.)

Plenty of options around.
 
According to Dekka: The club is very happy with the development of Macrae. They view him as a better player now than the last time he played senior footy. Just about opportunity now.
They are happy with our ruck stocks. Its an area of the ground they unlikely will target

In terms of list management. They are mindful of creating opportunity for the youth and creating balance with the list with mature agers. Mentioned how Scott and Steele are close to the end.

Harrison didnt look out of place, and Dekka hopes he gets a good run. They want the younger boys to get exposed footy. Fly wants to get them in the team as it sets up their pre-season leading into 2024 + years to come

Didn't say what areas they'd address lol Thats Wrighty's area. Cal tried to poke Dekka with HH, Georgiades, Grescham, Mckay but he wouldnt bite lol Said we wouldn't be targetting 4 players this time. 1-2 at most.
 
Jen2310 said:
Def have a younger vibe to what he was saying without saying anything
He also said 1-2 players max. No more. Not like last year
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Going to be a lot harder to create list spots than last year. Think it will be 4-5 changes which is the lowest we have had in a while.
 
From what I've read, it seems there depth at the key talls in this year's draft. Which I feel gives us more flexibility in the group of targets we should look at.

Drafting and developing key positions would allow us to look at players like Ben Brown, Nathan Broad, Jack Darling and Tom McDonald who can still offer us a lot at afl level, allow us to continue pushing for a flag for the next couple of years, still be cheaper than a McKay of King option.
 
Bogsey said:
From what I've read, it seems there depth at the key talls in this year's draft. Which I feel gives us more flexibility in the group of targets we should look at.

Drafting and developing key positions would allow us to look at players like Ben Brown, Nathan Broad, Jack Darling and Tom McDonald who can still offer us a lot at afl level, allow us to continue pushing for a flag for the next couple of years, still be cheaper than a McKay of King option.
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all too old and busted IMO
 
Bogsey said:
From what I've read, it seems there depth at the key talls in this year's draft. Which I feel gives us more flexibility in the group of targets we should look at.

Drafting and developing key positions would allow us to look at players like Ben Brown, Nathan Broad, Jack Darling and Tom McDonald who can still offer us a lot at afl level, allow us to continue pushing for a flag for the next couple of years, still be cheaper than a McKay of King option.
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Eww. None of those players offer as much or more than the players we already have at this point in their careers.
 
Jen2310 said:
According to Dekka: The club is very happy with the development of Macrae. They view him as a better player now than the last time he played senior footy. Just about opportunity now.
They are happy with our ruck stocks. Its an area of the ground they unlikely will target

In terms of list management. They are mindful of creating opportunity for the youth and creating balance with the list with mature agers. Mentioned how Scott and Steele are close to the end.

Harrison didnt look out of place, and Dekka hopes he gets a good run. They want the younger boys to get exposed footy. Fly wants to get them in the team as it sets up their pre-season leading into 2024 + years to come

Didn't say what areas they'd address lol Thats Wrighty's area. Cal tried to poke Dekka with HH, Georgiades, Grescham, Mckay but he wouldnt bite lol Said we wouldn't be targetting 4 players this time. 1-2 at most.
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Hine can talk a lot but say nothing really
 
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