Coach Justin Longmuir
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A) It's not the same list as last year. Mundy, Acres out of that midfield. Brodie fell off a cliff. Brayshaw played a blindingly good 2022.
B) Our forward 6 was an issue in 22 as well. We were just getting a better base line from the forwards. No one here thinks Switta, Fredddy, Schultz etc are playing as well as they did last year. or do they?
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Well that just sounds like the list is fine but a bunch of them are underperforming / not being utilised well which is a coaching thing, not a list thing.
If I’ve seen players play enough at a standard then that’s what they are capable of when coached right and for whatever reason, the coaching group has got it drastically wrong this year
Well as of now he’s right we are sitting in the bottom 4 our list may well be better than that but there’s no guarantee we improve next year in fact if we keep this same coaching structure i doubt we improve to much at all.
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I'm not 100% on keeping JL, I'd definitely be VERY comfortable in getting Hardwick in but I just find this particularly doom and gloom argument redundant. I agree there's no guarantee we improve next year (coach change or not) but there's equal chance we go back to what we did last year. It happens too often in AFL history for everyone to be so confident we are going to be shit again next year
Yeah assuming we'll be **** is the same as assuming we'd be good again this year. Same mistake. You can make a good argument for both.
Kingsley at GWS is a good example of new coach coming in with fresh ideas/ game plan and seems to be getting the best out of his players
Is JL a better coach than say Cameron or Dew who are both now gone , i have doubts
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Dew had as much time (or more?) than JL and JL has clearly had more success than Dew. If we spend the night going through historical results of bringing in a new coach there is going to be A LOT of failures.
Again, not sold on JL as a coach even though I love the guy as a person I just dont like the doom reasoning that's not reasonable
GWS still have a good core of experienced and capable 24-30yo. I'm holding my judgement on them for now until we have a larger sample size.
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JL is a good, nice, genuine guy, I'm sure of that. He's just introverted and soft, which is fine (I am too) but I don't think he's built to be a head coach.
Assistant coach, absolutely, in charge of a group of young men? Nah.
Longmuir still has a 50% win record.
Dew has 30%.
Cameron 53% but over 9 seasons and with just a tad more talent at his disposal?
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I’m not a fan (as some may have guessed) but the fact is that McRae and Kingsley - who will both be guns - are off the shelf. If Hardwick were to somehow indicate he would like to come to Freo, then we should grab him. Otherwise we probably should keep dancing with the one we brought. If we‘re still playing shit footy by mid-season 2024 though …
You don't think putting Mundy and Acres back into that midfield would improve us?
Sorry. I think this is where we need to shake hands and move on. We're miles apart.
I don't rate Langdon as highly as some , Don't get get me wrong I Do rate him and was sorry he left But A grade is a stretch for mine, Ditto Hill
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Of course we'd be better but it doesnt turn the list from a bottom 4 list to a top 5 one. Happy to shake hands cordially =)
For the most part Mundy was still playing very well mostly last year but I think there was cracks appearing mainly as a defensive liability at times and the end can come quick, just look at Buddy. Probably the right decision.
In saying that it's perhaps a shame he couldn't stretch it out for one more year even if he played less games just for leadership an f 50 entries.
In saying that it's perhaps a shame he couldn't stretch it out for one more year even if he played less games just for leadership an f 50 entries.
I think JL would.be massively disappointed with the season. The pre season would've been an improvement on last season but with worse results. He'll also be in a strange place of having to consider whether to focus on the now or start to think about next year. He'll be going through a lot of 1sts. List Management is the clubs biggest issue. Brayshaw through the week mentioned a closed door meeting between the players and I'm hoping they're really trying to strip back the issues and identify what has gone wrong. A coach needs continuity of players. Losing 4 key starting players is hard. Given this group can stay together I'm mildly optimistic. You can't fluke a finals appearance, he's definitely got a game plan that can win games. He can stay next year for mine, we must get some natural progression with our young players and we can be there or there about to play finals in 2024. Some of our players really need to look at themselves in the mirror and ask if they're really giving the best that they can. I don't think a lot of them are. Jl needs to ask himself the same question. I want to see him have an antidote for the fast Collingwood style game, not copy it. 2024 is the real test for this club at all levels. Our 'young guns' won't be so young anymore, our list management plans will have to bear fruit and JL's coaching philosophy will have had all the time it should need to mature. For the club as an organisation to have any hope of delivering on its 2025 flag pledge, we must make finals in 2024. If not, it may be time for a lot of people in senior positions to fall on their swords and move on. Have to be pragmatic about the situation.
Rd 2 2023 is the smoking gun.
Barely any injuries and gameplan alone was our undoing against a rabble.
That’s on the coach. Either it’s stubbornness or stupidity that he thought our game style in 2022 was fine..which was actually worked out by Bevo week 1 of finals. Collingwood the week after were strong enough to hold back any comeback attempt.
He has such a talented list full of 1st rounders. We have speedy players yet no run. Two dominant rucks yet beaten in clearances. Wtf is going on.
If Hardwick doesn’t pick up the phone give Pyke a call!
Barely any injuries and gameplan alone was our undoing against a rabble.
That’s on the coach. Either it’s stubbornness or stupidity that he thought our game style in 2022 was fine..which was actually worked out by Bevo week 1 of finals. Collingwood the week after were strong enough to hold back any comeback attempt.
He has such a talented list full of 1st rounders. We have speedy players yet no run. Two dominant rucks yet beaten in clearances. Wtf is going on.
If Hardwick doesn’t pick up the phone give Pyke a call!
Actually, if it's the midfield we're talking about, that's exactly what it does. It's a very even competition.
Melbourne with Oliver and Petracca are a top 4 team - without them they were garbage. West Coast with a fit Yeo and Shuey won a Premiership - now they're 18th. Port add Butters and Rozee, Crows add Dawson and move Laird to mid etc etc Watch what happens to north when Wardlaw gets to 50 games and LDU plays a full season.
It's probably more about having two seasoned big bodies around our two small kids. It certainly helped Brayshaw last year.
Is it any coincidence our best footy this year coincided with when Fyfe came back from injury and became part of the midfield rotation? Or why Johnson has become a lock? Look at their size.
It's got little to do with the coach, if anything at all. Outside of just blindly picking Brodie and O'Driscoll regardless of form because of their size.
Longmuir can't make small men big. He's a man trying to sail a ship without sails.
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What's sad is you thinking Mundy (on his last legs) and Acres(!) are Petracca and Oliver.
His kicking dropped off dramatically last year as well. He was a champion of the club and I am glad for his reputation that he finished at a time when some thought he could play on.
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