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The movie industry has always made a combination of formulaic pulp and more creative new stuff. There's actually a much greater diversity of creative new stuff available than ever before - particularly if you're willing to do subtitles.
What's changed is that the pulp now dominates the major cinemas and the mid to high budget. That's been a definite change. Definitely still exceptions, Oppenheimer for instance.
 

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What's changed is that the pulp now dominates the major cinemas and the mid to high budget. That's been a definite change. Definitely still exceptions, Oppenheimer for instance.

Maybe what’s changed is you?

You don’t get your thrills from cheap lolly water anymore?
 

True Story: I was sitting down outside earlier this morning. A Magpie flew up to me and perched barely 50cm away and started warbling.

#omen
#yearofthemagpie

ps. I’m sure he was saying “Go Pies, we’re going to win tonight!” (or perhaps I could have been mistaken and what he was really saying was “Gimme some of that bread!”)
 
Always been the way.

It really hasn't. Yes, there's always been pulp but it always sat alongside a great variety of films. Now, the major studios are only interested in franchises, sequels and reboots.

Compare and contrast the early 90s with last year at the box office.

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Yep, there's big budget action films but also legal dramas, actual comedies, family oriented films, thrillers, even a weird indie film like The Crying Game breaks out and gets into the top 20 for the year.

Last year only the 12th (Elvis) and 14th (Nope) biggest films for the year weren't part of a franchise. Comedies and dramas aimed at adults may as well not exist (The Lost City and Ticket to Paradise the only outright comedies in the top 50).


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There are plenty of good films in the independent and non-US spheres, but the studios have all but abandoned them.

Back on topic, none of that means that Marvel is a bad sponsor for the AFL to get for their stadium, it's a hugely successful company. You don't have to like their films to acknowledge that.
 
True Story: I was sitting down outside earlier this morning. A Magpie flew up to me and perched barely 50cm away and started warbling.

#omen
#yearofthemagpie

ps. I’m sure he was saying “Go Pies, we’re going to win tonight!” (or perhaps I could have been mistaken and what he was really saying was “Gimme some of that bread!”)
That morning warble is a beautiful sound. We have lots of magpies around us all the time. I love them. Such cocky, clever buggers.
 
It really hasn't. Yes, there's always been pulp but it always sat alongside a great variety of films. Now, the major studios are only interested in franchises, sequels and reboots.

Compare and contrast the early 90s with last year at the box office.

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Yep, there's big budget action films but also legal dramas, actual comedies, family oriented films, thrillers, even a weird indie film like The Crying Game breaks out and gets into the top 20 for the year.

Last year only the 12th (Elvis) and 14th (Nope) biggest films for the year weren't part of a franchise. Comedies and dramas aimed at adults may as well not exist (The Lost City and Ticket to Paradise the only outright comedies in the top 50).


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There are plenty of good films in the independent and non-US spheres, but the studios have all but abandoned them.

Back on topic, none of that means that Marvel is a bad sponsor for the AFL to get for their stadium, it's a hugely successful company. You don't have to like their films to acknowledge that.
Those lists are about what people have chosen to view at the cinema not about what's being made or even watched. Things have changed enormously in the viewing market since the 90s, with on demand streaming services and modern tvs and sound systems. Action and family friendly animations dominate at the box office as the cinema experience is treated more like an event than simply the consumption of movies. "Comedies and dramas aimed at adults" do still exist. There's as big a range of movies as ever - and additionally we now have great access to the foreign film market and on top of that, series have gone from repetitive pulp due to the nature of having to factor in that people missed episodes to really clever and sophisticated works.

So we can bemoan that village and hoyts get bigger numbers to their pulp or we can enjoy the superior range of choices that we have available to us today.
 
Euroa now has the "big Magpie" millions will now make the pilgrimage.



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Always been the way.
No, there's been a clear change in cinema releases. The mid level movie is disappearing. It's mostly blockbusters, cheap horror, etc.

I'm not saying these movies aren't being made but they're mostly being shown at specialty theatres or on streaming services and their budgets are shrinking. Overall there is more diversity than ever, but the mainstream is mostly blockbuster, action type stuff outside of a few exceptions.

We can say it's not an issue because these more mature movies still exist, but I think its a bad thing that they're no longer able to have the cultural impact they once did. Every now and then a release like Oppenheimer will offer some hope, but they're now quite rare and the domain of a select few directors.
 
Those lists are about what people have chosen to view at the cinema not about what's being made or even watched. Things have changed enormously in the viewing market since the 90s, with on demand streaming services and modern tvs and sound systems. Action and family friendly animations dominate at the box office as the cinema experience is treated more like an event than simply the consumption of movies. "Comedies and dramas aimed at adults" do still exist. There's as big a range of movies as ever - and additionally we now have great access to the foreign film market and on top of that, series have gone from repetitive pulp due to the nature of having to factor in that people missed episodes to really clever and sophisticated works.

So we can bemoan that village and hoyts get bigger numbers to their pulp or we can enjoy the superior range of choices that we have available to us today.
Marvel etc are to entertainment what McDonalds and KFC are to fine dining.

Cheap quick salty fix for the lazy, same formulaic crap no matter where you consume it.

I'm not really up for a but but but discussion.

My opinion is it is low quality crap and I'm the consumer.

Some people will argue that Maccas is a restaurant.
That's their choice but does not make it true.
 
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No, there's been a clear change in cinema releases. The mid level movie is disappearing. It's mostly blockbusters, cheap horror, etc.

I'm not saying these movies aren't being made but they're mostly being shown at specialty theatres or on streaming services and their budgets are shrinking. Overall there is more diversity than ever, but the mainstream is mostly blockbuster, action type stuff outside of a few exceptions.

We can say it's not an issue because these more mature movies still exist, but I think its a bad thing that they're no longer able to have the cultural impact they once did. Every now and then a release like Oppenheimer will offer some hope, but they're now quite rare and the domain of a select few directors.
We're not going to agree. I didn't like Oppenheimer, but it does encapsulate my point. In yesteryear, a successful movie about Oppenheimer wouldn't have had the ambition of that movie. It would have been a formulaic hero journey about a brilliant scientist fighting for humanity and ending the war.
 
I’m moving to Euroa.

Like the place anyway, and often drop in when visiting friends up that way.
Bit of a shit story behind it.

Bloke who made it is a w***er.

It was an online voting comp with a few things to chose from.
Long story short it blew up on facebook with the eventual winner declaring he's puling out as he believed he had no chance of winning. "If I was pregnant black lesbian then I'd get the councils vote!"


Poor middle aged white fella won anyway despite the adversity he faced, truly inspiring.
 
Bit of a s**t story behind it.

Bloke who made it is a w***er.

It was an online voting comp with a few things to chose from.
Long story short it blew up on facebook with the eventual winner declaring he's puling out as he believed he had no chance of winning. "If I was pregnant black lesbian then I'd get the councils vote!"


Poor middle aged white fella won anyway despite the adversity he faced, truly inspiring.
Bit of a surprise the club wasn’t somehow blamed for that.
 
Marvel etc are to entertainment what McDonalds and KFC are to fine dining.

Cheap quick salty fix for the lazy, same formulaic crap no matter where you consume it.

I'm not really up for a but but but discussion.

My opinion is it is low quality crap and I'm the consumer.

Some people will argue that Maccas is a restaurant.
That's their choice but does not make it true.
I'm certainly not suggesting that they're not formulaic crap. We've always had formulaic crap. Early Elvis movies were a big deal! But there's always been more than just that and there still is - more than ever actually. It's like pointing to the growth of McDonalds and KFC and concluding that Australia's restaurant options have gone down hill since the 70s - which is obviously blatently false. It wasn't better in your day.
 
Those lists are about what people have chosen to view at the cinema not about what's being made or even watched. Things have changed enormously in the viewing market since the 90s, with on demand streaming services and modern tvs and sound systems. Action and family friendly animations dominate at the box office as the cinema experience is treated more like an event than simply the consumption of movies. "Comedies and dramas aimed at adults" do still exist. There's as big a range of movies as ever - and additionally we now have great access to the foreign film market and on top of that, series have gone from repetitive pulp due to the nature of having to factor in that people missed episodes to really clever and sophisticated works.

So we can bemoan that village and hoyts get bigger numbers to their pulp or we can enjoy the superior range of choices that we have available to us today.

Can't agree. It's not just the box office, the slates of movies being produced by the studios have absolutely been gutted of adult oriented films. And the box office is as much a representation of what the studios put their time, effort and money into marketing as it is the will of the consumers. They can't go to see what isn't put into cinemas to begin with. Oppenheimer is an incredible example (not everything will work so well) of what happens when you actually market something and give people a reason to go. A 3 hour film mostly composed of government hearings is now on track to out gross most recent comic book films.

Also, streaming is yet another con perpetrated by big tech with the aim of gutting another industry and moving the money from workers to the billionaires, hence the importance of the current strike actions in Hollywood. Search your streaming services for movies older than this current century or that weren't blockbusters and you'll have a short list on your hands. You don't even get the movies that are owned outright by the same companies that own the streaming services. Instead what you get offered is the same list of franchise items that dominate the cinema box office, except that you also get some shoddier versions made by the streamers as well. (hello The Gray Man, Red Notice etc). In terms of film there was so much more variety on offer from the video stores that used to proliferate than there is on the various streamers today.

The thing that has improved is the amount of 'prestige' tv drama series. Before HBO there wasn't nearly as much of that.
 

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