Strategy What to do with pick 1 now we’ve got it - Do We Need Reid or is it Curtins

Keep pick 1, or trade it?


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I've had enough of all of these kents already.

Nothing would satisfy me more right now than drafting H.Reid and watch him kick a bag against the tin-rattlers.


And anyone else wanting to entertain splitting the pick in this massively compromised draft needs to give themselves an uppercut as well.
 
Any way to reset the poll and make it so that only WC fans can vote?

Might be able to reset the poll, but no way to make it so only WCE fans can vote.

Unless Keys and the other mods make it a policy to card any opposition posters who do vote
 
Gossage is usually wrong though?

Also, after the board kept Simmo, how can you trust anything anyone in the media is reporting about WCE?

Even reliable sources, such as Duffield, got sucked into the noise.

If there's one thing WCE do extremely well, it's not leaking info.

Both Culley and Maric in the lead up to the last 2 MSD's mentioned they weren't sure if West Coast were taking them as they hadn't given them any indication that they were.

Also lead to some posters around here prematurely melting how they were passing up on the obvious talents and taking someone else because of this lack of confirmation to Culley/Maric.

It's going to be a long 3 months, no point melting about something that may not happen because the club will have it's poker face on until then anyway.
 
He said that Curtin is a priority for us and we don’t want to miss out on him.

Also said he wants us to take Reid though.
Did he get this 'info' from the same person who gave him the 'strong mail' Dean Cox would be replacing Simmo as coach?

Or is it just his 'belief', like everyone in the Vic media states?

WC rate Curtin quickly translates into WC are placing a priority on Curtin or something like that.

If West Coast rates Curtin at #2 then we're going to want pick 2 in any trade. That's not to say we're going to prioritize Curtin over Reid, which is the mistake people are making.
 

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We’re not going to give up Reid and watch him run rampant for the next decade + for anything less than a monster deal. Something so ridiculous that even if Harley wins 3 Brownlows we still wouldn’t end up with egg on our faces for letting him go. There is zero chance our recruiters will want any part of giving away a generational talent for a “fair” deal.

They wouldn’t be able to show their faces anywhere in the country for the rest of eternity if they did that. The worst trade of all time honours.

Give us your picks, your players, your daughters, your souls and throw in another sweetener or 2. Or we take Harley.

Either way the hams are being served to us this year gang.

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Whats the general consensus on pick 1/reid. A lot of vic media seem to be regurgitating that Reid unlikely to picked up by your mob. Is this the same as what is being said in the west?
 
Did he get this 'info' from the same person who gave him the 'strong mail' Dean Cox would be replacing Simmo as coach?

Or is it just his 'belief', like everyone in the Vic media states?

I might have missed that but I swear Gossage was the one saying no decision would be made on Simpson until the seasons end and that he isn’t a certainty to be sacked

I remember his tweet though saying if Simpson is sacked, Cox might replace him or whatever.
 
Whats the general consensus on pick 1/reid. A lot of vic media seem to be regurgitating that Reid unlikely to picked up by your mob. Is this the same as what is being said in the west?
The consensus on here is that we should take him at pick 1 and avoid the vast majority of proposed trades.
Reid is the exact type of player we need and is the best rated player in this draft.
What's more we've not had any issue retaining interstate talent (Victoria or otherwise).
It should be a no brainer.
 
I might have missed that but I swear Gossage was the one saying no decision would be made on Simpson until the seasons end and that he isn’t a certainty to be sacked

I remember his tweet though saying if Simpson is sacked, Cox might replace him or whatever.
He had 'Huge mail' that Cox would be next coach, should the board decide to get rid of Simpson.

Sounds like he was just having a bet both ways, just like his latest Tweet re; Curtin.
 
Whats the general consensus on pick 1/reid. A lot of vic media seem to be regurgitating that Reid unlikely to picked up by your mob. Is this the same as what is being said in the west?
apparently in the post game functions on the weekend some figures in the club suggested we should pick him and back ourselves in to keep him. have to say i agree.
what's the word from your mob around curtin? surely you'll pick him up at 2/3?
 
I really think Ben King asking for a trade to the Hawks could be a big key in any trade working. Apparently Hawks have a big offer sitting infront of him. I’m assuming North don’t get first round compo for McKay.

Hawks Give - 3, F1
Hawks give - King, 24


WCE Give - 1, 19, Future 2nd
WCE Get - 3, 4, JVR, Melbourne F1


Suns Give - 4, King
Suns Get - 5, 15, Hawks F1, 19, WCE F2


Melbourne Give - 5, 15, 24, future first, JVR
Melbourne Get - 1 (Harley Reid)

I feel like this following works for everyone:

Hawks get King plus something back in the second round.

Melbourne get Harley Reid. It might seem like they are paying a lot but if they really want him I think they’d do it.

Suns gain points for this year but also move points into next year for more academy players & get a good haul for King. They also get 19 this year which can be split into more points. They would only be jumping back from 4 to 5 this year so they could split 5 with someone like the bulldogs for more points. They’ll still end up with the 3 academy guys this year.

We get a guaranteed 2 of Curtin/Mckercher/Duursma, JVR & have 2 First Rounders for next year.

We’d be left with a draft hand of

2023 - 3, 4, 24, 35, 38, 54, 57 (Currently)

2024 - 2xF1, 1xF3, 1xF4
Let us boil it down and look at it


This is basically getting 3 and 4 for 1.

I expect Melbourne to be at the very pointy end again in 2024 and us to be at the bottom, meaning the difference Dee's R1 and our R2 will be negligible. So minimal value there.

Van Rooyen is worth about where he was drafted and that is at pick 19. He is developing but more a third tall than a build your forward line around. If we wanted a third tall, we could go hard for Georgiades through the PSD. 19 for JVR is a fair deal, nothing to cheer about there.


So you pose the question do we go a generation player like Harley or do we get 2 of Curtin/McKercher/Duursma? I like the 2 but I want more.

Besides it would make more sense for the Suns to get pick 1 and take Reid. As your proposal stands, North and West Coast are still capable of bidding on Walter and Read meaning their picks 5, 15 and 19 are more points to sell early on draft night and they do not need as it stands any more points.



Simplify it. Cut out Melbourne.

Hawks
Give - 3 and F1
Get - King
(you may argue it is overs but 24 back is too generous. Next year Hawks R1 could be 8 to 10)

Eagles
Give - 1, 54 and 57
Get - 3, 5, 24

Suns
Give - King and 24
Get - Reid and Hawks F1
Note that Suns will trade Holland and with that collateral and our points, should have enough to match the bid which is guarantees to be max pick 2. If not, they can always sell the Hawks F1 on draft night

We take to the draft 3, 5, 19, 24, 35

Not saying I would do it - it gets closer.
 
Not really.

He pretty much said Cox would be the new coach if Simmo went.
That's pretty clear TBH.
That's the definition of having a bet both ways though.

He said 'huge mail', not 'I believe'.

If Simmo got sacked and it didn't come off, he can just said his 'source' was misinformed.

If it does happen, he looks like a genius.

Putting yourself on the line is more like Schofield straight up saying Cox wouldn't be at WCE regardless of what happened to Simmo, because he was next in line at Sydney. That's a straight shot.
 
Both Culley and Maric in the lead up to the last 2 MSD's mentioned they weren't sure if West Coast were taking them as they hadn't given them any indication that they were.

Also lead to some posters around here prematurely melting how they were passing up on the obvious talents and taking someone else because of this lack of confirmation to Culley/Maric.

It's going to be a long 3 months, no point melting about something that may not happen because the club will have it's poker face on until then anyway.

Yeah everyone in the media was saying there was no way we were taking Culley and instead we were going to take Florenca and ditto this year with us taking the guy from Claremont.

Duggan, Venables & Chesser are just some first rounders who have in the past mentioned they had 0 idea they would be picked up by WC.
 

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That's the definition of having a bet both ways though.

He said 'huge mail', not 'I believe'.

If Simmo got sacked and it didn't come off, he can just said his 'source' was misinformed.

If it does happen, he looks like a genius.

Putting yourself on the line is more like Schofield straight up saying Cox wouldn't be at WCE regardless of what happened to Simmo, because he was next in line at Sydney. That's a straight shot.
Agree to disagree on this one.

Having 50 cents each way was Eddie McChins saying "Simmo is going to be sacked, unless WC change their mind and keep him".
 
Agree to disagree on this one.

Having 50 cents each way was Eddie McChins saying "Simmo is going to be sacked, unless WC change their mind and keep him".
Well that's fair.

I just don't think Gossage is a particularly reliable source of info, nor is as informed as some people like to think.
 
From the Melb board. WTF

How about something like this trade probably need couple other picks somewhere thoughts?


Melbourne send 5, 15, 34 to west coast 3532pts for pick 1, west coast send 15, 19 2060pts to Gold Coast for pick 4 2034pts, west coast send 4, 5 =3912pts to north for pic 2 & 16 = 3584pts

melbourne pick 1

west coast pick 2 & 16

north pick 4 & 5
That’s sick.

How stupid do they think we are?
 
apparently in the post game functions on the weekend some figures in the club suggested we should pick him and back ourselves in to keep him. have to say i agree.
what's the word from your mob around curtin? surely you'll pick him up at 2/3?
I think most of the guys on our board are keen on him. Fills an obvious gap if McKay leaves but I haven’t really seen or heard any whispers about what our list management team are thinking. Might depend on Sanders outcome tbh
 
Harley Reid is a 20+ disposal, 2+ goal player.

In the 207 games played in the 2023 home-and-away season, this type of performance was achieved 209 times. Lots of players did it once only, but it gets interesting when you look at who achieved it 3 times or more:

3 times:
  • T Walker
  • A Treloar
  • J Gresham
  • C Warner
  • D Moore
  • B Daniels
  • J Daniher
  • B Keays
  • J Kelly
  • N Anderson
  • D Shiel

4 times:
  • J Cameron
  • E Gulden
  • B Ainsworth
  • S Bolton
  • N Martin
  • T Taranto
  • N Daicos

5 times:
  • D Martin
  • M Bontempelli
  • I Rankine
  • C Rozee

6 times:
  • C Petracca

7 times:
  • T Greene

That's a list of players who are stars, or are having career best seasons, or we've maybe been underrating this year (Ainsworth, Keays, Daniels, Moore). Now I don't care if Harley Reid is a forward who plays time in the midfield, or a midfielder who pushes forward. If he's getting 20+2, he's a serious player, who changes games with his impact.

Do we need a player like this? Well, out of the 209 occurrences, only 3 were achieved by Eagles players. One each to Jayden Hunt, Dom Sheed and Jake Waterman. So yes, this is exactly the type of player we lack.

Get him in, and don't blink while doing it.
 
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