Strategy What to do with pick 1 now we’ve got it - Do We Need Reid or is it Curtins

Keep pick 1, or trade it?

  • Keep pick 1, Reid is too good a prospect to pass on

    Votes: 255 64.2%

  • Trade it if there is an offer we can't refuse

    Votes: 142 35.8%
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I've had enough of all of these kents already.

Nothing would satisfy me more right now than drafting H.Reid and watch him kick a bag against the tin-rattlers.


And anyone else wanting to entertain splitting the pick in this massively compromised draft needs to give themselves an uppercut as well.
 
dkalphy said:
If we accept that then that's weak from the club. You really think Norf would accept that if they were in our shoes? It has to be pick 2 and another top 5 pick or x top 10 picks. Ports pick is meaningless especially when we have pick 19
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ROB was very clear a couple of weeks ago any offer for pick 1 would have to be very, very good - like 3+ top 10 picks, not a downgraded first, a late first and early second or something like.
 
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darksquare said:
Harley Reid is a 20+ disposal, 2+ goal player.

In the 207 games played in the 2023 home-and-away season, this type of performance was achieved 209 times. Lots of players did it once only, but it gets interesting when you look at who achieved it 3 times or more:

3 times:
  • T Walker
  • A Treloar
  • J Gresham
  • C Warner
  • D Moore
  • B Daniels
  • J Daniher
  • B Keays
  • J Kelly
  • N Anderson
  • D Shiel

4 times:
  • J Cameron
  • E Gulden
  • B Ainsworth
  • S Bolton
  • N Martin
  • T Taranto
  • N Daicos

5 times:
  • D Martin
  • M Bontempelli
  • I Rankine
  • C Rozee

6 times:
  • C Petracca

7 times:
  • T Greene

That's a list of players who are stars, or are having career best seasons, or we've maybe been underrating this year (Ainsworth, Keays, Daniels, Moore). Now I don't care if Harley Reid is a forward who plays time in the midfield, or a midfielder who pushes forward. If he's getting 20+2, he's a serious player, who changes games with his impact.

Do we need a player like this? Well, out of the 209 occurrences, only 3 were achieved by Eagles players. One each to Jayden Hunt, Dom Sheed and Jake Waterman. So yes, this is exactly the type of player we lack.

Get him in, and don't blink while doing it.
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So we should get Jade Gresham for free this year?
 

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Wtf why the **** every single god damn trade we get shafted for north. Same thing happened last year as well. So north get 4, 5 we get 2, 16 holy ****.

Tell the club to take Curtin at 1 don't be a coward. ****ing not swallowing pick 16. Cowards

This club is the only club stupid and willing to trade Reid.

Fremantle wouldn't pull the shit we are doing.


No other club would trade Reid argue otherwise. Smh
 
Wce17 said:
I really think Ben King asking for a trade to the Hawks could be a big key in any trade working. Apparently Hawks have a big offer sitting infront of him. I’m assuming North don’t get first round compo for McKay.

Hawks Give - 3, F1
Hawks give - King, 24


WCE Give - 1, 19, Future 2nd
WCE Get - 3, 4, JVR, Melbourne F1


Suns Give - 4, King
Suns Get - 5, 15, Hawks F1, 19, WCE F2


Melbourne Give - 5, 15, 24, future first, JVR
Melbourne Get - 1 (Harley Reid)

I feel like this following works for everyone:

Hawks get King plus something back in the second round.

Melbourne get Harley Reid. It might seem like they are paying a lot but if they really want him I think they’d do it.

Suns gain points for this year but also move points into next year for more academy players & get a good haul for King. They also get 19 this year which can be split into more points. They would only be jumping back from 4 to 5 this year so they could split 5 with someone like the bulldogs for more points. They’ll still end up with the 3 academy guys this year.

We get a guaranteed 2 of Curtin/Mckercher/Duursma, JVR & have 2 First Rounders for next year.

We’d be left with a draft hand of

2023 - 3, 4, 24, 35, 38, 54, 57 (Currently)

2024 - 2xF1, 1xF3, 1xF4
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No.

If gold coast get pick 3 from hawks for king we chase that hard.

F1st and 35 38, for pick 3 and 28

Then we have

1 Reid
3 Curtin or mckercher
19
24



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Roadrunner said:
We will give you L.Mcdonald + Turner + pick 16 for pick 1. Or you just pick Curtain for your pick 1. Problem solved.
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Or we just pick Reid and you pick Curtin and McKercher and everyone is happy. Well, everyone except those who don't want us to draft Reid.
 
Roadrunner said:
We will give you L.Mcdonald + Turner + pick 16 for pick 1. Or you just pick Curtain for your pick 1. Problem solved.
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One day the coyote will win.
 
CountryLad said:
What do you realistically think will make the Eagles recruiting team sit up and seriously contemplate a trade?

Considering

A: Nth seemingly interested in Curtin

B: Compromised top 15 due to Academy kids and Father son selections

C: Eagles need for players that can win the ball around stoppages
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Now whilst I work in talent identification my role is different to that of a traditional talent scout however if I were to trade out pick 1 we need to get closer to the draft to the point where we know if NM have pick 3. We then also need to know roughly who is going to take whom so as to have a back up plan.

Under the assumption that North don't get tier 1 compensation, dont get priority listing for Sanders and don't want to pay a huge premium to trade up the GC pick is the lowest pick that I can identify that would form the basis of any trade for pick 1.

Realistically if we consider ourselves and look at the other teams with picks who will they draft. If North don't get pick 1 who do they pick. Curtin I would say is the front runner however Duursma is coming and coming hard. He also offers a point of difference for them and they can look at their second pick for a KPD.

Hawks assuming no trade is done for King this year (I don't think it will be due to hardwick heading up there and him wanting to show it's worth hanging around) are into Duursma in a big way. They are highly unlikely to take Curtin due to having access to McCabe. Is Watson their fall back there if even with his diminutive stature they go hey, he's the highest level talent in the draft and we have seen just how damaging elite smalls can be in recent years. They have drafted Ward and Mackenzie the last 2 years whilst having some strong inside players already. I don't think McKercher is their guy.

Go any further than that and I think we miss on one of the two players I would want to draft so it has to be GC pick. I think a 3 way trade would have to happen and it's then Melbourne trading up 1 place in combination with the dogs then getting Melbourne's pick 5 through to GC for 10 & 17. It then needs to be mutually beneficial to all. To go from 5 up to pick 4 Grundy and a swap of future first rounders (with it being Collingwood or Melbourne paying part salary) probably gets it done.

Carlton are in the market to sell their future first draft pick into this year but also need points next year and have at least 1 trade target. GC will back themselves to improve next year while Carlton will edge both ways and hope they stay roughly where they are. Carlton's future first & third to GC for pick 10 and GC future second. I would have that pick 10 marked on a tall as it stands.

That leaves us as it stands with WCE, North, Hawks, Melbourne, Dogs. Dogs will 100% go small as they not only have Croft this year, they also need a hard inside replacement.

So for a senior Melbourne recruiter to be so ****ing cocky with me on Saturday how does a deal get put together.

WCE lose pick 1, (38,54 to smooth out deals / add points to others / late trade in player)
WCE gain pick 4, pick 15, pick 24 and GC future first. WCE go to the draft with 4,15,19,24 and 35 and gain GC future first.

Realistically a lot needs to play out, 3-4 clubs would need to be involved and Whether it be Watson or someone else, someone needs to stamp themselves and push up into the top 5 player grouping to guarantee WCE could guarantee who the club wants or the backup option. If North only have one top pick I don't see them going Curtin and I don't see Hawks wanting to go tall either.

This would allow WCE to draft McKercher in my example followed by Murphy at 15 (or 19 if O'Sullivan is still there are 15). So many potential options at 19 and 24 but i'd probably finish off with Sanchez at 35 assuming the couple of genuine small forwards I like are already off the board. Or Curtin at 4 and Freijah at 19 if it ran that way. I'd even be tempted to run the first 3 picks as talls depending on who is available. I'd happily draft Curtin, O'Sullivan and Murphy all in the 1 draft. You're banking talls to be ready for 3-4 years after being drafted and there's the chance Curtin could end up a mid (I don't see it).

Thats about as close to fair as I could make it with a quick run down that I would consider to get the job done but would by most peoples standards on this board they wouldn't consider it enough.

Oh and a big no to trading for Robertson. I don't see a way where the club makes Robertson, Culley and Ginbey work in a midfield rotation. Culley isn't quick enough for a HFF and would get heavily exploited on rebound so would have to make it as a deeper third tall/marking forward or if he does make it as a mid we are paying out for Robertson to be nothing more than depth for years. Or you go for the trade on the perspective 2 make it and 1 doesn't.

Head to next years draft with say 3, 10, 22 and 40.
 
Wce17 said:
I really think Ben King asking for a trade to the Hawks could be a big key in any trade working. Apparently Hawks have a big offer sitting infront of him. I’m assuming North don’t get first round compo for McKay.

Hawks Give - 3, F1
Hawks give - King, 24


WCE Give - 1, 19, Future 2nd
WCE Get - 3, 4, JVR, Melbourne F1


Suns Give - 4, King
Suns Get - 5, 15, Hawks F1, 19, WCE F2


Melbourne Give - 5, 15, 24, future first, JVR
Melbourne Get - 1 (Harley Reid)

I feel like this following works for everyone:

Hawks get King plus something back in the second round.

Melbourne get Harley Reid. It might seem like they are paying a lot but if they really want him I think they’d do it.

Suns gain points for this year but also move points into next year for more academy players & get a good haul for King. They also get 19 this year which can be split into more points. They would only be jumping back from 4 to 5 this year so they could split 5 with someone like the bulldogs for more points. They’ll still end up with the 3 academy guys this year.

We get a guaranteed 2 of Curtin/Mckercher/Duursma, JVR & have 2 First Rounders for next year.

We’d be left with a draft hand of

2023 - 3, 4, 24, 35, 38, 54, 57 (Currently)

2024 - 2xF1, 1xF3, 1xF4
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Wow. Impressive. Very.........impressive

Looks like there is some decent Mega Trade competition coming through the ranks.

Keep them coming!:thumbsu:
 
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If North get band 1 compo for Mckay this is the trade i would be proposing.

North lose Picks 3, 16 , 39
North Gain Pick 1

West Coast lose Picks 1 , 38
West Coast gain Picks 3, 5

Gold Coast lose Pick 5
Gold Coast Gain Picks 16 , 38 , 39



Gold Coast only make an additional 100 points on the trade at face value but..........

North and West Coast do a handshake deal not to bid on Walter with first 3 picks of the draft. Hawks next chance to bid at Pick 4.

Pick 4 after discount 1627 points.

as opposed to

Pick 1 after discount 2400 points.

All up Gold Coast make/save 873 points from this one trade.

I would only do this deal as well if North were prepared to take Reid & Watson with 1 & 2.

North get Reid and Watson
GC get a massive upgrade on their first rounder for Walter
We get Curtin and one of McKercher/Duursma

This is a win/win/win


Yes yes i know all of this is against the rules but who gives a shit. Tell me with a straight face clubs don't do this kind of shit all the damn time.
 
ThePuma #9 said:
If North get band 1 compo for Mckay this is the trade i would be proposing.

North lose Picks 3, 16 , 39
North Gain Pick 1

West Coast lose Picks 1 , 38
West Coast gain Picks 3, 5

Gold Coast lose Pick 5
Gold Coast Gain Picks 16 , 38 , 39



Gold Coast only make an additional 100 points on the trade at face value but..........

North and West Coast do a handshake deal not to bid on Walter with first 3 picks of the draft. Hawks next chance to bid at Pick 4.

Pick 4 after discount 1627 points.

as opposed to

Pick 1 after discount 2400 points.

All up Gold Coast make/save 873 points from this one trade.

I would only do this deal as well if North were prepared to take Reid & Watson with 1 & 2.

North get Reid and Watson
GC get a massive upgrade on their pick for Walter
We get Curtin and one of McKercher/Duursma

This is a win/win/win


Yes yes i know all of this is against the rules but who gives a s**t. Tell me with a straight face clubs don't do this kind of s**t all the damn time.
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But why? We can get the Suns pick 4 without giving up Reid.
 
TerryFilk said:
But why? We can get the Suns pick 4 without giving up Reid.
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Because we still keep draft capitol with picks 19, 35, 54... etc

I don't think the club will be content just taking two picks and say upgrading Culley. We also have to consider we may need to split pick 19 for two second rounders if we end up chasing Robertson and Brockman.

Don't get me wrong, i want us to take Reid. Im praying we do, but if we don't i'm looking for the best case scenario here.
 
WCE_phil said:
Now whilst I work in talent identification my role is different to that of a traditional talent scout however if I were to trade out pick 1 we need to get closer to the draft to the point where we know if NM have pick 3. We then also need to know roughly who is going to take whom so as to have a back up plan.

Under the assumption that North don't get tier 1 compensation, dont get priority listing for Sanders and don't want to pay a huge premium to trade up the GC pick is the lowest pick that I can identify that would form the basis of any trade for pick 1.

Realistically if we consider ourselves and look at the other teams with picks who will they draft. If North don't get pick 1 who do they pick. Curtin I would say is the front runner however Duursma is coming and coming hard. He also offers a point of difference for them and they can look at their second pick for a KPD.

Hawks assuming no trade is done for King this year (I don't think it will be due to hardwick heading up there and him wanting to show it's worth hanging around) are into Duursma in a big way. They are highly unlikely to take Curtin due to having access to McCabe. Is Watson their fall back there if even with his diminutive stature they go hey, he's the highest level talent in the draft and we have seen just how damaging elite smalls can be in recent years. They have drafted Ward and Mackenzie the last 2 years whilst having some strong inside players already. I don't think McKercher is their guy.

Go any further than that and I think we miss on one of the two players I would want to draft so it has to be GC pick. I think a 3 way trade would have to happen and it's then Melbourne trading up 1 place in combination with the dogs then getting Melbourne's pick 5 through to GC for 10 & 17. It then needs to be mutually beneficial to all. To go from 5 up to pick 4 Grundy and a swap of future first rounders (with it being Collingwood or Melbourne paying part salary) probably gets it done.

Carlton are in the market to sell their future first draft pick into this year but also need points next year and have at least 1 trade target. GC will back themselves to improve next year while Carlton will edge both ways and hope they stay roughly where they are. Carlton's future first & third to GC for pick 10 and GC future second. I would have that pick 10 marked on a tall as it stands.

That leaves us as it stands with WCE, North, Hawks, Melbourne, Dogs. Dogs will 100% go small as they not only have Croft this year, they also need a hard inside replacement.

So for a senior Melbourne recruiter to be so ******* cocky with me on Saturday how does a deal get put together.

WCE lose pick 1, (38,54 to smooth out deals / add points to others / late trade in player)
WCE gain pick 4, pick 15, pick 24 and GC future first. WCE go to the draft with 4,15,19,24 and 35 and gain GC future first.

Realistically a lot needs to play out, 3-4 clubs would need to be involved and Whether it be Watson or someone else, someone needs to stamp themselves and push up into the top 5 player grouping to guarantee WCE could guarantee who the club wants or the backup option. If North only have one top pick I don't see them going Curtin and I don't see Hawks wanting to go tall either.

This would allow WCE to draft McKercher in my example followed by Murphy at 15 (or 19 if O'Sullivan is still there are 15). So many potential options at 19 and 24 but i'd probably finish off with Sanchez at 35 assuming the couple of genuine small forwards I like are already off the board. Or Curtin at 4 and Freijah at 19 if it ran that way. I'd even be tempted to run the first 3 picks as talls depending on who is available. I'd happily draft Curtin, O'Sullivan and Murphy all in the 1 draft. You're banking talls to be ready for 3-4 years after being drafted and there's the chance Curtin could end up a mid (I don't see it).

Thats about as close to fair as I could make it with a quick run down that I would consider to get the job done but would by most peoples standards on this board they wouldn't consider it enough.

Oh and a big no to trading for Robertson. I don't see a way where the club makes Robertson, Culley and Ginbey work in a midfield rotation. Culley isn't quick enough for a HFF and would get heavily exploited on rebound so would have to make it as a deeper third tall/marking forward or if he does make it as a mid we are paying out for Robertson to be nothing more than depth for years. Or you go for the trade on the perspective 2 make it and 1 doesn't.

Head to next years draft with say 3, 10, 22 and 40.
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BOND 007 would this be enough?
 
AsterixTheGaul said:
Let us boil it down and look at it


This is basically getting 3 and 4 for 1.

I expect Melbourne to be at the very pointy end again in 2024 and us to be at the bottom, meaning the difference Dee's R1 and our R2 will be negligible. So minimal value there.

Van Rooyen is worth about where he was drafted and that is at pick 19. He is developing but more a third tall than a build your forward line around. If we wanted a third tall, we could go hard for Georgiades through the PSD. 19 for JVR is a fair deal, nothing to cheer about there.


So you pose the question do we go a generation player like Harley or do we get 2 of Curtin/McKercher/Duursma? I like the 2 but I want more.

Besides it would make more sense for the Suns to get pick 1 and take Reid. As your proposal stands, North and West Coast are still capable of bidding on Walter and Read meaning their picks 5, 15 and 19 are more points to sell early on draft night and they do not need as it stands any more points.



Simplify it. Cut out Melbourne.

Hawks
Give - 3 and F1
Get - King
(you may argue it is overs but 24 back is too generous. Next year Hawks R1 could be 8 to 10)

Eagles
Give - 1, 54 and 57
Get - 3, 5, 24

Suns
Give - King and 24
Get - Reid and Hawks F1
Note that Suns will trade Holland and with that collateral and our points, should have enough to match the bid which is guarantees to be max pick 2. If not, they can always sell the Hawks F1 on draft night

We take to the draft 3, 5, 19, 24, 35

Not saying I would do it - it gets closer.
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I'd do that.

Presume our 3rd pick 40 we used to trade for Brockman. Future 3rd for Roberrson.

Ignoring the unavailable academy and FS's

1. Reid
2. Curtin / Duursma
3. Curtin / Duursma
4. Watson
5. McKercher or trade for Dogs 10 and 17
 
pantskyle said:
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If we trade out Pick 1 to take a early/mid first round pick 4-6 and some late firsts or seconds then we have rocks in our heads and its the recruiting department we should be shipping out ahead of the coaching department.

I thought crazy Vozzo had some doozies but this takes the cake. Yep let's take some picks around 14-18 after GC have picked 3 academy boys, Hawks and Dogs have also snatched a father and son and maybe even a band 1 compo pick or freebie for the tin rattlers.

What are those picks looking like now?

20-26 ish?

No thanks.
 
ThePuma #9 said:
If we trade out Pick 1 to take a early/mid first round pick 4-6 and some late firsts or seconds then we have rocks in our heads and its the recruiting department we should be shipping out ahead of the coaching department.

I thought crazy Vozzo had some doozies but this takes the cake. Yep let's take some picks around 14-18 after GC have picked 3 academy boys, Hawks and Dogs have also snatched a father and son and maybe even a band 1 compo pick or freebie for the tin rattlers.

What are those picks looking like now?

20-26 ish?

No thanks.
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And this is why the academy and F/S need to be considered. Sure pick 15 gets the 15th best talent in the available pool, but if it is the 25th best player overall (as it is pushed back) that is a significantly lower talent especially in a draft class that is likely to be on the low side already.

There will be some gems late of course, but it is a bit of a crapshoot.


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