List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion 2023

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KinderSmock said:
Unfortunately. If I was running it, I'd have it as a three day event. First day, free agency, next two are trade. Not long after have a draft. This would turn it into a mega, televisable event and be over and done with in a timely fashion. Never happening as they'd fall out of the news cycle but there comes a point where mind numbing chit chat isn't worth it.
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No one’s forcing you to listen to it
 
Bloben said:
I'm surprised that the media hasn't made a bigger deal about the Geelong and Mackie shitshow. Here's a club that has stayed towards the top for a decade by topping up their list annually with players wanting to go home or looking for success.

Now Ratugolea has asked to go to Port TWICE in two years and they are saying no. Pick 24 is actually great for them for a player that was playing VFL. Chris Scott on 360 said that key defenders are worth too much and they want to keep him but last year with Ollie Henry the commentary was how Collingwood were mean because we were stopping a home sick kid go home to play with his brother. And then traded out the picks that would have got the deal done which meant it nearly didn't get done. But in the end Mackie got his way and the thing that pissed me off the most was his cocky snarky stupid face thinking he was the trade messiah at the end.

So I'm really hoping Port win this one even though they are a bigger threat to us next year.
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I wonder what Wells thinks. The most respected in the business who maintained them at the top with amicable trades steps down and watches someone who views it as a dick measuring contest.
 

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Mollythedolly said:
No it's not, it's an opinion. Nobody can know because it's a discretionary process. I'm certainly not a member of the panel. Your denial of it because of the Hawks ladder position is just fanciful. When has something like that ever stopped the AFL? They created the discretionary process for a reason, the poor compensation return Hawthorn got for Franklin was that reason because there was an outcry about how poorly they were compensated.
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The only real "outcry" at the time was from Hawthorn and their supporters. I don't think anybody else really cared that much apart from media trying to sell papers.

There is nothing fanciful in my opinion and it's supported by the decision at the time and the current guidelines we now know around the compensation pick formula. It is you trying to engage in "fanciful" speculation over what the committee might do in exercising their "discretionary powers", speculation which is in no way supported by any fact or precedent.

If anything those discretionary powers were brought in as much because of FA compensation being perceived as being overly generous for players who weren't considered to be elite, not the other way around.

Just to close this one out it didn't hurt the Hawks at all as I'm sure you know very well, finished top 4 the next three years and won the next two flags.
 
partypie said:
Hard pass on Howard. Has the physical tools and should be better then he is but he just isn't.
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You obviously think Frampton is a better option......
 
PieBeast said:
You obviously think Frampton is a better option......
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I don't think anyone who has seen my thoughts about Billy and where he is currently at with his football would ever say that.

I've watched a fair bit of Dougal and he a tendency of not sticking to the task at hand when the going gets tough, which is probably why he now appears to have been seen as being dispensable at two clubs who were at the time in sore need of a good KPD.

I'm not saying we don't need a KPD who can lock down on an opponent week in week out, but neither Frampton nor Howard are that player I'm afraid (although they're trying to turn Frampton into something approximating a lockdown defender I suspect).
 

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brysie said:
I hope Port lose out and Ratugolea moves in the pre-season draft - no-one bar North or Hawthorn wins then and maybe Mackie will then come in for criticism.
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Esava has to agree to a contract with either of them, They wont' risk burning a pick for no reason. He will get to port one way or another
 
partypie said:
The only real "outcry" at the time was from Hawthorn and their supporters. I don't think anybody else really cared that much apart from media trying to sell papers.

There is nothing fanciful in my opinion and it's supported by the decision at the time and the current guidelines we now know around the compensation pick formula. It is you trying to engage in "fanciful" speculation over what the committee might do in exercising their "discretionary powers", speculation which is in no way supported by any fact or precedent.

If anything those discretionary powers were brought in as much because of FA compensation being perceived as being overly generous for players who weren't considered to be elite, not the other way around.

Just to close this one out it didn't hurt the Hawks at all as I'm sure you know very well, finished top 4 the next three years and won the next two flags.
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The decision at the time was made under the guidelines applicable at the time, they had no choice. Guidelines change, decision changes. Especially when the guidelines were changed as a direct consequence of that decision. Nothing fanciful in that.
 
partypie said:
I don't think anyone who has seen my thoughts about Billy and where he is currently at with his football would ever say that.

I've watched a fair bit of Dougal and he a tendency of not sticking to the task at hand when the going gets tough, which is probably why he now appears to have been seen as being dispensable at two clubs who were at the time in sore need of a good KPD.

I'm not saying we don't need a KPD who can lock down on an opponent week in week out, but neither Frampton nor Howard are that player I'm afraid (although they're trying to turn Frampton into something approximating a lockdown defender I suspect).
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So it's not a hard no when the only other option is Frampton, got you.
 
localfootylegend23 said:
Esava has to agree to a contract with either of them, They wont' risk burning a pick for no reason. He will get to port one way or another
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Sure. But if Geelong fail to trade him within the trade period, he is out of contract and can nominate for the pre-season draft.

There would be plenty of time for him to speak with any clubs that are interested following the conclusion of the national draft.
 
Chameleon75 said:
it’s a forest vs tree’s scenario, the objective should be to improve the list not win the trade on paper, it’s how dodoro ends up missing out on bobby hill, bravo Adrian you won trade week, we won the flag because of him, at least he didn’t overpay I guess.
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Perfectly summed up.
 
sr36 said:
It's just the way negotiations go.

The win win negotiators knock them over quickly in the first few days. Whereas guys like Mackie and Dodoro take them to the brink as they try to win every deal.
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Kinnear Beatson and Graham Wright both have a no nonsense reputation. Stephen Wells used to as well - funny how reputations can live and die with one person.
 
brysie said:
Sure. But if Geelong fail to trade him within the trade period, he is out of contract and can nominate for the pre-season draft.

There would be plenty of time for him to speak with any clubs that are interested following the conclusion of the national draft.
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I think I heard this earlier on trade radio but what was said is that Ratugolea could simply not do a medical for any other club other than port. So would be a big gamble on say the Hawks to pick a player that you haven't done a medical on for the reason that the player does not want to play for you
 
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